I think all books should have a 2 year probationary period before SBR adds them to their lines or promotes them in anyway. SBR is truly too much of a pimp in the online sportsbetting world. They enable these books in a lot of ways. If they ever start arresting people in the U.S. for online sportsbetting SBR and all of their owners and officials should be arrested also.
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some of the people standing up for betp in this case really need to wrap their minds up in some simple concepts..
i run a store, in order to attract business i offer opening day 50% rebate on EVERYTHING you purchase in the store. people come to my sale, purchase items, then sends in rebate form. i see some cheapskates who only ask for rebates on items they bought already at bottom floor discount prices, i think they're taking advantage of me and thus refuse to issue previously promised rebates..
in what country/land/world/planet would that logic EVER hold up in court?
the poster came to the books, wagered/risked his own funds at the book's lines under a certain agreed-upon premise. it makes no difference what that premise was, it's different for each individual, in some case it can be a bonus, in others perhaps a comp, ease of withdraw, ease of deposit, low juice.. etc
it does NOT matter what the premise is, it only matters that once the premise is agreed upon. you cannot RETROACTIVELY break the premise simply b/c you feel its no longer profitable for you to maintain the premise.
another good analogy would be like the bank who gave you the mortgage decides to repo your house, despite the fact that you have honoured all your payments and everything is good standings, simply b/c the house has appreciated in value and the bank feels like they can now sell it at a higher/better price that what you bought at..Last edited by trixtrix; 02-28-09, 01:54 AM.Comment -
Trix you know that example is different, steam punters don´t take what is offered.
They take it by will before the book is able to change the line, that is a world of a difference to a store where things don´t change in value suddenly...Comment -
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I still see where RJBetPhoenix returned the 5K, and where they used the term "square 1."Last edited by turnip; 02-28-09, 09:09 AM. Reason: to clarify, this was a response to ijustwant2bpaid's since-edited postComment -
Steam players are using superior information to beat a book. In every other case (except past-posting), this is acceptable, but insiders try to vilify this practice because it takes advantage of a linesmaker's laziness/incompetence and forces them to pay attention. Boo hoo.Comment -
I gave you the dough back. Play it and be done. Stop chasing steam period, and yes...you definitely know what steam is. Enough with the drama already. You got your 5k freeplay back. Play it, and cash out.
For the guys with analogies please do the following for me:
1st. Go to Vegas and stand at the counter and wait for the game to start moving and ask the manager for the 2 to 5k bet before he changes the line all day long every day of the week. They wont comp you, they will ask you to leave.
2nd. Go to any other online gaming company. Take the most generous comp they have, and bet nothing but steam and report back on the results please.
I can tell you all of the people who originate...BW, QT, Tiger, etc dont have issues with us, as well, they do not call asking for 5k bonuses. They play and get paid period because they know they are good, and that the money is good to support their business.
To end this thread...play your bonus money. If your roll is met, then call me on Monday for payment PLEASE.
After that you have good lines, limits, service, and we pay above industry standards. I hope that would be enough to earn your business. Not just a 50% bonus.Comment -
Sort of agree with Richard. Lots of books won't give even ME a bonus. Last one I got from ABC I got 10% reload, Harvey went into my account and reversed it and said "no, you are up 4K on us lifetime still, forget about it".
Or as another book told me when I was going good and asked for a bonus. "You are beating us over the head, and you want US to give you a hammer to do it with too"?
If you are a winning player and they let you pay, that is about all you can ask for IMO.Comment -
FWIW JohnnyC...congrats on your success overall.Comment -
My question remains.....if he was playing steam, why did you give him the reload bonus to begin with????Comment -
I can only sympatisise with BetPhx here, RJ hit it on the nail.
Do this at theGreek and other top class books, and you get kicked out without them arguing with you on boards and being generous by giving you the FP back...
Yes you can do it at Pinny and a few others (counted on 1 hand), but those books don´t give out big bonuses..some guys love to play the innocent victims, while grabbing bonuses and steam moves at every book they trust enough to get paid. Those people are bad for the industry..don´t get me wrong, it is ok to earn your money that way because books do just the same with clueless bettors, BUT don´t come here and flame a book for removing a bonus...that is baby attitude.Comment -
Nope im noy Jamie , I dont work at Phoenix the board owners can prove this .
I just hate when people take cheap shots and then expect the board to help them.
Thsi board is for players that have problems with books not players that cause them and then come here seeking help and everyone on here is supposed to back you up .
You have 15 posts
And Phoenix is backed by millions , you " mistype" facts .Comment -
Ty to the posters on here who saw this issue with clarity. There is a line that must be drawn and I firmly believe this action, carried out by a lines manager and enforced by the owner, was where we as a community must stand together.
Ty phoenix for handling this fairly. I regret that the issue had to be brought up in the forum. I sincerely wish you good luck in the future.
Ty sbr forums, god bless you, and god bless the United States of America.Comment -
"Ty to the posters on here who saw this issue with clarity. There is a line that must be drawn and I firmly believe this action, carried out by a lines manager and enforced by the owner, was where we as a community must stand together."
1st. Go to Vegas and stand at the counter and wait for the game to start moving and ask the manager for the 2 to 5k bet before he changes the line all day long every day of the week. They wont comp you, they will ask you to leave.
2nd. Go to any other online gaming company. Take the most generous comp they have, and bet nothing but steam and report back on the results please.
"Ty phoenix for handling this fairly. I regret that the issue had to be brought up in the forum. I sincerely wish you good luck in the future."
Should have never been brought up at all. Your account was handled with inconsistency, so you are right here. However, if I knew you were just going to play steam, no bonus would have been extended at all from the first deposit forward.
"Ty sbr forums, god bless you, and god bless the United States of America."
Your accounts say that you live in Canada, am I going to have to worry about this now as well?
Apart from that, congrats on your winnings, and I assume we will be speaking soon with regards to your payment.
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Don't offer the bonus then Richard, it's that simple.
I thought you wanted the thread to die but it's clear you want to get the last word in.
Now I can't help it. For future Phoenix bettors - how many steam moves are they allowed per day before their fp is removed? After a line steams, how long do they need to wait to allow for you to adjust?
I hail from Canada. It was simply a tribute to the world superpowers' new leader. And I do not appreciate you disclosing that to the forums without my consent.Comment -
You live in Canada?
Now I can find you!Comment -
He has a reputation to defend Johnny, while you are just talking like a smartass.Comment -
I can see if they pulled his bonus after his initial deposit, if he was playing steam. But to do it after a reload bonus when he starts winning? Was he playing steam when he lost his initial 5k? If he wasnt, then fine!Comment -
Joe, I played the same.
Anyway, I will not feed this thread anymore RJ. My desired outcome was met, call me greedy, I've been called worse.
JohnnyC out.Comment -
thanks for an answer. i figured you played the same since RJ did not answer it. he dodged my question like always. seems like BP does whatever it likes. i found that out when i opened an account cause SBR was praising them, only to find out that they are not solid! people are slowly finding this out, while some just keep kissing BP ass!Comment -
I agree fully BigJoe, and he had the 5K returned when this came across my desk. He is in the right here on this case.
All the same...Johnny has the right to use the community to have a voice. User generated content is the future, and this is why I also exercise my right to have a voice here as a company. I came to provide better service for players and to deal with the facts that exist in these cases. The positive far outweighs the negative in this regard.
Answer to your question:
For future betphoenix players, if you come here to take a bonus and bet steam, then we are not interested in your business.
If you are here to bet steam with no bonus, you are welcome to play.
If you are an originator (actuary), you are welcome to play, and you will get a bonus as well if you really want it. Most don't care or want the bonus.
All of the above will be paid.
I never called you greedy, and would not do so.Comment -
Iam just open minded..i did this as a Pro (and yes a real pro, not a forum loudmouth) for years.
Iam the first who will defend players when they are threated wrong.
But i also see the book´s side, if you would ever try to run a book yourself you might understand it.
As i said, Johnny is lucky that he did it at a book that has to give everything to earn a solid reputation here.
Richard prolly knows that this is the only solution for him here, but you can bet your ass that he hates these guys who abuse the system.Comment -
Depends...but we do take it. The lowest limit here has been 500, and that is due to closing plays where the info does not do too much good.
Originators get more.Comment -
I for one really like and BetPhoenix and I think its pretty cool that Richard adresses these issues on a public forum. It seems like there is a lot threads with negative content about betphoenix here at SBR, and when I read the threads the complaints seem to be bogus or at the least exagerated in the titles. I think bp is a must have out.Comment -
"For future betphoenix players, if you come here to take a bonus and bet steam, then we are not interested in your business.
If you are here to bet steam with no bonus, you are welcome to play."
Does taking -105 juice count as "taking a bonus"?Comment -
I won't play at BP given this complaint. They seem to look for reasons to steal bonuses or not payout.Comment -
DIE THREAD DIE
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Goes unanswered as always!
