Player vs. BetEd Opinion ($6881 confiscation)

**robmpink** · 02-09-09, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by reno cool

why?

misremembered

**robmpink** · 02-09-09, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

because now he's prob getting pm's and things of that nature and now has drawn unwanted attention to himself. Robmpink while thanks for speaking up. sorry for the unwanted attention

misremembered

**fiveteamer** · 02-09-09, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by tomcowley

They're taking the adequate precautions to make sure that somebody who uses a mismatched ACH can never WIN. However they fail to take the exact same precautions to make sure that somebody who uses a mismatched ACH can never LOSE. In simpler terms, they intentionally continue to accept mismatched ACH wagers and deposits, keep them if players lose, and steal the winnings if players win. That's horseshit. If the player cannot possibly win, then his funds should never be at risk, and if his funds are at risk, then he should be able to win. BetEd makes it so the player's funds are at risk, but he can't possibly win. It's 100% BetEd's fault (and not coincidentally 100% to their benefit) that they designed their policies this way. That's why this case is obviously a freeroll and fraudulent business practice, on top of the numerous lies they told SBR and posted here.

good post. sums it all up here.

**wild willy** · 02-09-09, 06:29 PM

Jackass was the $7000 worth all tha bad publicity and lost revenue.Go to hell you piece of shit

**sickler** · 02-09-09, 07:35 PM

David Jackson,

Beted clearly has a practice in place which allows them to freeroll players.

You must think we're a bunch of idiots.

**purecarnagge** · 02-09-09, 08:00 PM

Bottom line is if Beted was cashing the check, they would have needed to verify it at that point in time. They cashed the check. Knew it was in someone elses name for WEEKS...thats where my problem is at. They booked the bets, they cleared the funds, they waited until the payout to cry foul.

**reno cool** · 02-09-09, 09:05 PM

I think everyone is pretty clear on this by now. Monkey and tomcowley are exactly right.

Ed, show proof that you refunded at least $7000 to those losers that used a third party or pay this one.
take your pick.

**poker_dummy101** · 02-09-09, 09:23 PM

Like I've said,

Now is the time we:
A. all open up accounts on BETED
B. relative deposits 1k
C. we try to robust it into 5 figures
D. if we do, get on the bank account and withdraw money
E. if not, send in documentation to refund our relative

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?? GET TO IT PPL!!!

**redatmosphere** · 02-12-09, 04:58 AM

Well, been following this one from day one. Can't say that I didn't see this decision coming. HOWEVER, I hope BetEd finds this to be the most profitable decision in the long term. My guess is that they'll lose 6 figures of new account dollars and reloads from this.

**Dark Horse** · 02-12-09, 05:07 PM

No doubt Beted hopes this will go away. (bump).

Any news?

**j0hnnyv** · 02-12-09, 10:52 PM

beted needs to pay this man! everything about it stinks like shit. ill make to sure to tell everyone looking for a book to stear clear of this 1 and tell how they treat winning players. He won fair and square and is obviously legit. is it worth 7000$ of bad pub? books going under

and i will laugh the day they go down

**sickler** · 02-12-09, 11:06 PM

Beted won't be back to answer the questions posed to them in this thread. In this case it's best for them to say nothing than to further incriminate themselves about "freerolling".

Thread will remain here and pop up on google whenever gamblers search for info on Beted.

**cbhoemrbry** · 02-12-09, 11:24 PM

Thanks guys for continuing to show the support we need to completely put these guys under. Hell, I was thinking since today being my BIRTHDAY, these guys might go ahead and make the wise decision to pay up and suprise the living shit out of me. As you see that wishful thinking hasn't happened. So far they're still on their scam-wagon of not paying on the rightful acts of " you book it, you pay it". Only thing they're booking as we speak is their way out of business. Or booking bets with no intentions of paying their winners. Scrounging around ideas and loopholes where their underlying rules and regulations benefit their pockets and not the best interests of their players. It's a bunch of shit to know money earned comes to be inconsequential with poor managment backing a book.Today's business is your future's business. You shit on your people today, then when its all said and done, you're eating your own shit and and their's to. Which leads to them not having anyone to shit on down the road. BetEd figure out the business practices that represent you as an entity to be well-rounded,honest, and a logical in the sportsbook industry or else players that make up your business will soon show you the door. As well all know, this business is made up of more losers than winners from a player's standpoint. So why not pay those who win with grace and dignity,versus stiffing and crying foul to protect your pockets.

**SoCalFisher** · 02-12-09, 11:47 PM

BetEd

**poker_dummy101** · 02-13-09, 05:57 AM

Now even if BetEd does pay, they are going to cost themselves atleast 5 figures in publicity leading up to it.

Best thing they could do to actually get out of this with some kind of respect is to pay his money plus a high interest amt.

**Dark Horse** · 02-13-09, 01:22 PM

It's there a time limit for Beted to find or agree to the objective third party that, they have agreed, will ultimately decide this case?

Or was that just another stall tactic? If so, is there a time limit for their true downgrade, beyond the little slap on the wrist from B- to C+?

I believe they've already admitted to freerolling in this thread. Will they be required to do anything about their setup to avoid this in the future?

A stretch, but just throwing this out there: is there any way for SBR to work with the authorities and attend them to sportsbook owners that actually steal from US citizens? Let's get these guys on record. Names and amounts. So that if they ever set foot on US soil, they're arrested on the spot.

**fiveteamer** · 02-13-09, 01:29 PM

god bless google.

**Santo** · 02-13-09, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

It's there a time limit for Beted to find or agree to the objective third party that, they have agreed, will ultimately decide this case?

Or was that just another stall tactic? If so, is there a time limit for their true downgrade, beyond the little slap on the wrist from B- to C+?

I believe they've already admitted to freerolling in this thread. Will they be required to do anything about their setup to avoid this in the future?

A stretch, but just throwing this out there: is there any way for SBR to work with the authorities and attend them to sportsbook owners that actually steal from US citizens? Let's get these guys on record. Names and amounts. So that if they ever set foot on US soil, they're arrested on the spot.

Whilst I do appreciate the sentiment, the only thing that would achieve is to have sportsbooks stop co-operating with SBR at any meaningful level (management/ownership)

**trixtrix** · 02-13-09, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by cbhoemrbry

Thanks guys for continuing to show the support we need to completely put these guys under. Hell, I was thinking since today being my BIRTHDAY, these guys might go ahead and make the wise decision to pay up and suprise the living shit out of me. As you see that wishful thinking hasn't happened. So far they're still on their scam-wagon of not paying on the rightful acts of " you book it, you pay it". Only thing they're booking as we speak is their way out of business. Or booking bets with no intentions of paying their winners. Scrounging around ideas and loopholes where their underlying rules and regulations benefit their pockets and not the best interests of their players. It's a bunch of shit to know money earned comes to be inconsequential with poor managment backing a book.Today's business is your future's business. You shit on your people today, then when its all said and done, you're eating your own shit and and their's to. Which leads to them not having anyone to shit on down the road. BetEd figure out the business practices that represent you as an entity to be well-rounded,honest, and a logical in the sportsbook industry or else players that make up your business will soon show you the door. As well all know, this business is made up of more losers than winners from a player's standpoint. So why not pay those who win with grace and dignity,versus stiffing and crying foul to protect your pockets.

dude, every time i see you post i wince, it's a train wreck of dynamite140 level proportions...

please take a chill pill and let sbr and other educated posters speak out on your behalf from now on..

**poker_dummy101** · 02-13-09, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by trixtrix

dude, every time i see you post i wince, it's a train wreck of dynamite140 level proportions...

please take a chill pill and let sbr and other educated posters speak out on your behalf from now on..

I told him to keep quiet while they were trying to settle it as well. However, now that Justin has shown us all that it looks like BetED will not be paying, I'd be pretty pissed and cussing them too. Unless in these final talks they somehow come up with a change

**cbhoemrbry** · 02-13-09, 07:30 PM

Well, I totally believe I have every intentions and right to speak my peace. It's involving money owed to me from some crooked individuals. Who in the right mind would sit back and listen quietly. I was told specifically from people on behalf of SBR to be more vocal on the issue. So here I am, and I apologize if it has offended anyone. BetEd should pay the money earned and move forward end of story.

**robmpink** · 02-13-09, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by cbhoemrbry

Well, I totally believe I have every intentions and right to speak my peace. It's involving money owed to me from some crooked individuals. Who in the right mind would sit back and listen quietly. I was told specifically from people on behalf of SBR to be more vocal on the issue. So here I am, and I apologize if it has offended anyone. BetEd should pay the money earned and move forward end of story.

The posts are way too long. The bottom line is their rules say you have to be on the checking account. Yes, they have collected on losses from people who deposit and it isn't their account. The bottom line is you won't get anything. They will take their lumps, but you won't see a dime. The thing that sealed the deal is the alleged past fraud or whatever they say. In my opinion I'm split 50/50, but the book has it posted in their rules. Yes they benefit, but it is in the rules. Also, some say it is buried in the rules. I never read rules because I am lazy. So when you sign important documents on a deal and one of their rules could f you, do you reneg later saying the rule was buried in the documents? Good luck. If I were you I would really get it out of my mind that you will get paid. You still believe you will, but you won't.

**poker_dummy101** · 02-13-09, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by robmpink

If I were you I would really get it out of my mind that you will get paid. You still believe you will, but you won't.

Yes, so why not let him bitch and complain? Atleast it serves as a public service announcement to others

**robmpink** · 02-13-09, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by poker_dummy101

Yes, so why not let him bitch and complain? Atleast it serves as a public service announcement to others

Are you bipolar? You advise him to stop complaining. Then at least two times people comment on that he should keep quiet where you responded that you said the same thing. Now you say why not let him bitch?

Anyway, I don't know where you came out w/ he shouldn't post based on my post. All I said is he shouldn't count on the money, which he is. He has hope, but it won't happen.

**poker_dummy101** · 02-13-09, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by robmpink

Are you bipolar? You advise him to stop complaining. Then at least two times people comment on that he should keep quiet where you responded that you said the same thing. Now you say why not let him bitch?

Anyway, I don't know where you came out w/ he shouldn't post based on my post. All I said is he shouldn't count on the money, which he is. He has hope, but it won't happen.

No, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I advised him to not talk during the process. Justin has come out and said they will not pay. Pretty much everyone agrees hes not going to get paid unless some miracle happens for his sake. So at this point, why not let him bitch?

**robmpink** · 02-13-09, 08:15 PM

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**poker_dummy101** · 02-13-09, 08:19 PM

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**robmpink** · 02-13-09, 08:24 PM

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**purecarnagge** · 02-13-09, 10:49 PM

I will continue to not allow this thread to die.

**Peep** · 02-14-09, 01:42 AM

Has the book been downgraded yet?

Or for that matter, has still no pay Hero's been downgraded yet?

**purecarnagge** · 02-15-09, 04:56 PM

Just a C+

its a tough sell I hate beted.com

but the player does have issues
- deposited in violation of rules
- multiple accounts
- history of fraud

3x your out. If I was a book I would have settled for like 1k or 2k. I wouldn't have paid in full but w/e its over with and they aren't going to pay its that simple.

**Peep** · 02-15-09, 05:23 PM

He did deposit in "violation of rules", but the book has taken and kept losers money who did this before.

So it apparently is only a violation if you win, which doesn't seem fair to me.

**cbhoemrbry** · 02-15-09, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

Just a C+

its a tough sell I hate beted.com

but the player does have issues
- deposited in violation of rules
- multiple accounts
- history of fraud

3x your out. If I was a book I would have settled for like 1k or 2k. I wouldn't have paid in full but w/e its over with and they aren't going to pay its that simple.

The so-called issues that they are referring to, which I admitted do state so in their T&C's. I did deposit using my parents account, which clearly I have access to and have supported documentation to back it. Number 2 for multiple accounts sake, the accounts before were not in my actual name. There are people out there that do gamble in this world besides myself. My father is a big casino type gambler, my significant other has her fair share of casino play and from time to time sportsbook. Those accounts weren't in my name, just have relevant information that pertain to same IP addresses. Me and my significant other obviously live together, and my father was introduced to some online play through me. So, there you have that. Bottom line revolves around the fact those accounts for one never had any ....any money deposited. I asked them specifically and they said no. Also, with my account, I created there was no relevant or any action going on at ALL with the other accounts created by the two others mentioned. So, that itself is completely out of the picture for fraud intentions, end of story.
Lastly, history of fraud is a lie. Thats something BetEd is using to support their decision to the viewers to make their case seem stronger. That's completely and utterly ridiculous for money put forth and won on my behalf. Those 3 statements from them don't hold water in real life once the proper investigation is put forth$ and common sense is derived.