cw vs blackdog

[firedawg]

Usually these type of threads the books are right and the scammer is wrong.

Rare books at fault, just a guy looking to take a shot at a book

jj, your a fool

[firedawg]

if i wasnt givin so many different stories by these people none of this would have ever happened. im right in this and the book knows it. play back the live chat all you want, but if you do play the phone conversations also you fraud!

[firedawg]

exactly...bad press over some chump change...makes you wonder about their backing

CW is no better though...they will threaten to kill your children if you owe them $10

real talk

this is the new offshore...vague rules...and books tighter with payouts than miley cyrus

another false statement! credit wager doesnt threaten anyone! i owe them some cash as we speak and they have been very pleasant with me. you people spread lies about cw for no reason!

[firedawg]

when you read the transcripts from live chat you will understand exactly why his payout was canceled. we will not be blackmailed by false allegations into doing something we are not required to do.

we did everything to get this individual paid in the time frame that we commit to and state on our website. he choose to use the forum to pressure us into paying him by the end of the business day. i will not be blackmailed to do something that i am not required to do. its not about the money. its about the principal.

play it! i was having fun with you all because of your lies! i love this. now you say you didnt pay because of my blackmailing? yesterday it was because your rules clearly stated i wasnt qualified for a pay out
before you open a sportsbook. you should really know what the **** your doing first. ya think

[pico]

I can't log into BD with a test acct right now but if there is one balance showing a total of the $500 available plus winnings (vs. how a VIP.com breaks it down) I can see why the player would think he could take the funds.

It looks like the amount available to wager vs. the balance is where the confusion is. Players not familiar with locals and +/- figures may think the rule is saying that when the balance is above their line they can have it and that they cannot withdraw anything below it because it represents the credit.

But where it says "...until you make your first payment" suggests the book is talking about winnings since players of course will never be able to withdraw their line of credit. Regardless, BD will need to be more technical with rules (especially as they get away from forums and experienced players), have it say "the difference of winnings - credit line," and make it clear that a winning player will never get the first $500 he wins.

We will speak with BlackDog today about the details and how the funds show in the account.

i agree. it is a bit confusing when you look at credit balances. plus nobody really read the rules...usually i found out about the rules after some misunderstanding.

their customer service is the best. games are graded really fast(US pro sports only...lesser known sports have lags)...even faster than most A+ books.

[fishofewing]

Hello all! Long time lurker, first time poster. I found out about both sites from here, and yes I am on the Creditwagering Stiff List due to mis-understanding (f'ing crooks, stay away). Well, I signed up for Blackdog and got approved. Very good C/S (Sam was real courteous). Well, once the updated stiff list came out and I was on it, Blackdog cancelled my account(saying they weren't willing to risk me beating me). They were very professional and sent me an email explaining their position. I did have a positive balance (appx. $275) and they sent me a money order w/in a week (M/O was from Chicago, but mailed from NYC, weird, but I didn't ask and it cleared in 3 days). I would recommend Blackdog, but I do agree some of the rules aren't very clear. Since my account was cancelled I will definitely give Rebatewager a shot.

[jjgold]

Firedwag you should not be gambling

No one takes guys like you serious when you play at CW

[firedawg]

Firedwag you should not be gambling

No one takes guys like you serious when you play at CW

jj, go make another phony ass video you punk

[jjgold]

your a scammer firedawg

Everyone knows it and we verified it

Pay your debts of $1500

[firedawg]

your a scammer firedawg

Everyone knows it and we verified it

Pay your debts of $1500

you calling anyone a scammer is fuking hillarious.jj, try to tell the truth once in awhile. your a degenerate scumbbag and everyone knows that!

[jjgold]

Pay the $1500 and we will get off your back

[firedawg]

Pay the $1500 and we will get off your back

ill pay the 1500 when you pay the 10k! you dont want me to talk about that do you?

[jjgold]

I will buy and sell you Son

[firedawg]

jj, be carefull

[firedawg]

jj, be carefull. that is all im saying to you.

[jjgold]

Did you ever see a 44 caliber Son pointed at your fukkin head??

I am done with this thread and a scammer like you

[CaneDawg]

Easy guys

No need for hatred

We all got to live on this earth together

[firedawg]

Did you ever see a 44 caliber Son pointed at your fukkin head??

I am done with this thread and a scammer like you

internet tough guy. show me that jab in a video jj!
you clown

[nosniboR11]

Usually these type of threads the books are right and the scammer is wrong.

Rare books at fault, just a guy looking to take a shot at a book

jj., this statement is just ignorant. Come on man why is SBR even here then, to help the player find out which books are legit and which ones screw you over, Because you have a good relationship with blackdog your opinion on this subject is NULL and VOID.

[Betblackdog]

Facts Of December 1, 2008

no comparison. im going to post some information on betblackdog here real soon if they dont square up with me asap!
never had an issue with cw

This is a summary of the events that took place between FIREDAWG AND BETBLACKDOG on December 1, 2008:

FIREDAWG made several inquiries through live chat as to the payout process and methods used by BETBLACKDOG. This occurred between 09:26 and 09:51.

At 11:04 FIREDAWG made a payout request through live chat and was told he was not due a payout because he had a trial account. After explaining that he was not aware of the rules, and that he was given some conflicting stories the clerk put him on hold, spoke with a manager and a payout was authorized.

He was offered several different payout options and was told he would receive his payment no later then the next day.

At 12:05 he again spoke with live chat and was told his request was being processed and it would be out by the end of the day.

At 15:20 he made a post on SBR stating he was having some issues with BLACKDOG in an attempt to expedite the payout, when in fact BLACKDOG was making every effort o their part to pay him in less time than was required by policy.

These are the facts as mutually agreed to by BETBLACKDOG and FIREDAWG.

[AK]

betblackdog has done the right thing.

Make sure firedawg is placed on the black list on next update please when forwarded.

[firedawg]

betblackdog has done the right thing.

Make sure firedawg is placed on the black list on next update please when forwarded.

what are you talking about

[pokernut9999]

Did you settle or not Firedawg ?

[firedawg]

yes we did. my account has been moved to the sister site

[pokernut9999]

yes we did. my account has been moved to the sister site

RebateWager ?

[THEGREAT30]

Hello all! Long time lurker, first time poster. I found out about both sites from here, and yes I am on the Creditwagering Stiff List due to mis-understanding (f'ing crooks, stay away). Well, I signed up for Blackdog and got approved. Very good C/S (Sam was real courteous). Well, once the updated stiff list came out and I was on it, Blackdog cancelled my account(saying they weren't willing to risk me beating me). They were very professional and sent me an email explaining their position. I did have a positive balance (appx. $275) and they sent me a money order w/in a week (M/O was from Chicago, but mailed from NYC, weird, but I didn't ask and it cleared in 3 days). I would recommend Blackdog, but I do agree some of the rules aren't very clear. Since my account was cancelled I will definitely give Rebatewager a shot.

So, they trust Creditwagering that much to basically cancel your credit account. How do they know CW arent just a bunch of lying frauds? That's a very interesting move IMO.

[Betblackdog]

So, they trust Creditwagering that much to basically cancel your credit account. How do they know CW arent just a bunch of lying frauds? That's a very interesting move IMO.

Its really no different then post up shops sharing lists of know player that cancel charges. Chances are if someone stiffed them they may stiff us and if CW is going to put the info up we may as well use it. In addition if someone was put on the list and didn´t belong there I think they would bring it up in the forums.

[THEGREAT30]

Its really no different then post up shops sharing lists of know player that cancel charges. Chances are if someone stiffed them they may stiff us and if CW is going to put the info up we may as well use it. In addition if someone was put on the list and didn´t belong there I think they would bring it up in the forums.

Maybe so, but the guy clearly states in his post that they are a bunch of crooks, stay away. Why listen to what a bunch of crooks say? Just my opinion. If I feel like a book is scum anyone who openly promotes or associates themselves with the book becomes someone that I don't trust.

[Betblackdog]

Maybe so, but the guy clearly states in his post that they are a bunch of crooks, stay away. Why listen to what a bunch of crooks say? Just my opinion. If I feel like a book is scum anyone who openly promotes or associates themselves with the book becomes someone that I don't trust.

We don´t promote or associate with CW. The only thing we have in common is stiffs. If someone puts up an argument that they don´t belong on that list we will listen and until we see complaints that people don´t belong on that list we will continue to monitor it.

[fishofewing]

Thanks Great30

I am glad someone noticed my post, I was a little shocked because I had been so open with Black Dog regarding my identity, even sending them my W-2 form and talking with Sam a few times over the phone. I attempted to explain my position but they did not want to hear it. I can see their point but to take the word of a "chop shop" like CW baffled me a bit. Oh well, they sent me the money I won with no hassle. I have signed up for their sister site Rebate Wager, but have done well elsewhere, so who knows.

[Betblackdog]

Unfortunately we don´t have all the details of your situation and if you would have posted a thread in this forum stating that you were unjustly placed on the list it may have helped to substantiate your claims. Many of the stiffs on CW have tried to and some have stiffed us and while we don´t agree with their practices, I would say that 99% of those people on that list belong there.

[fishofewing]

No problems

Like I said, I enjoyed your site and have no beef with you. I wish I could have remained there but these things happen. I'm not one to post my personal dealings with CW but I felt I could chime in on this because you do have a decent thing going. You guys definitely pay fast, but they're a lot of rules a client needs to be aware of, but I guess in this day and age you need to protect yourself as well. Good luck to you and your site (Your C/S is pretty good too)

I do think SBR is a good thing for the bettor as well, I just hope they don't lose sight of that as well.

[Betblackdog]

Thank you for the positive remarks. We are always looking to improve our services and products for our players. We are in the process of rewriting our rules to address some of the misunderstandings a player may have and will be sending out a detailed email to all new players explaining these rules moving forward. These new policies and rewrites will be in place by Monday.

[pokernut9999]

Thank you for the positive remarks. We are always looking to improve our services and products for our players. We are in the process of rewriting our rules to address some of the misunderstandings a player may have and will be sending out a detailed email to all new players explaining these rules moving forward. These new policies and rewrites will be in place by Monday.

Nice job Blackdog

Me and some others threw a lot of suggestions out to you guys earlier this year and to your credit we got most of what we asked for. Keep up the good work.