5dimes screw up at my expense attention sport bettors BEWARE!!

**MBENZ** · 12-01-12, 08:01 AM

[QUOTE=SBR Lou;16967398]Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

If what you're saying here is the player made out by collecting 11k on bets he normally couldn't have made without the boost in bankroll I agree.He should be able to keep that and not have the threats.5 dimes screwed up and has to have some exsposure in this which would be what they paid.The player basically freerolled the book and his penalty is nonpayment of the remaining balance.That seems like a fair settlement.

**looneytunes** · 12-01-12, 09:48 AM

[QUOTE=MBENZ;16967476]

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

If what you're saying here is the player made out by collecting 11k on bets he normally couldn't have made without the boost in bankroll I agree.He should be able to keep that and not have the threats.5 dimes screwed up and has to have some exsposure in this which would be what they paid.The player basically freerolled the book and his penalty is nonpayment of the remaining balance.That seems like a fair settlement.

very fair conclusion

Originally posted by Dan bouton

My azz is soar from all the abuse I've taken this last week! I don't know how much more it could take! Thanks for screwing me 5dimes and friends!
U may have won this battle but the war will go on!

but all this my ass is sore from the abuse is a bit dramatic. 11k, thats a good day.

**Dan bouton** · 12-01-12, 10:26 AM

The only fair thing to do at this point I suppose is to release my betting logs for all to see. Believe me when I started this my intentions were not to eat sbr reputation. All though I was upset with 5d and did not care about their reputation I was never attempting to mis lead anybody. I simply wanted fair and unbiased opinions and when I received all the support that just fueled my fire. If u decide to release the logs and that sways people to agree with u that I would have not made these subsequent bets or deposited $ had I not been mis informed I am 100% for that! I'm looking for an honest opinion and ruling I wanted sbr and the followers here to have the same info that 5d had to make their decision.
The only thing I dis agree with here is if ur a new customer in in chartered waters and read the rules and do ur research and homework on a situation and it states;
When running into a bad line or something u feel may or could not be right report it to cs right away to protect urself. If they say it's ok then u can proceed with out concern!
When I called I asked to speak to a manager! I then was transferred to 2 seperate people who cleared my wagers! Even after getting the already pending wagers cleared I refused to make the bet again.

**Dan bouton** · 12-01-12, 10:43 AM

Also what if this mistake was made with far less $? Say someone is misgraded or paid wrong on a 1$ wager and is paid 200$ instead of 20$. They get it checked out by cs and is told its fine! They then use that 200 for the next year or two and make a ton of $ and recieve pay outs along the way.(basically never depositing another dollar) in this time the accumulate 50k! Is it fair to say with out the 200$ they would not have made the 50k over the years and there fore the bets and balance for all that time is void? I mean where do we draw the line 2 months 2 years? 200$ over pay 2000 overpay. I just think there should be some guidelines set out for these issues so this doesn't happen to anybody else

**shari91** · 12-01-12, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

Also what if this mistake was made with far less $? Say someone is misgraded or paid wrong on a 1$ wager and is paid 200$ instead of 20$. They get it checked out by cs and is told its fine! They then use that 200 for the next year or two and make a ton of $ and recieve pay outs along the way.(basically never depositing another dollar) in this time the accumulate 50k! Is it fair to say with out the 200$ they would not have made the 50k over the years and there fore the bets and balance for all that time is void? I mean where do we draw the line 2 months 2 years? 200$ over pay 2000 overpay. I just think there should be some guidelines set out for these issues so this doesn't happen to anybody else

I haven't wanted to comment because 1. I work here 2. I attract trolls like poop attracts flies and 3. I don't have all the facts.

But I have been following both threads you have going and I've swung back and forth with my feelings. Went out for dinner with a kind of bigwig at Sportingbet Australia this week and talked to him about this. Very regulated industry obviously so I wanted to know his thoughts. Hopefully he'll come post them in this thread within the next day or two himself although I'm not sure you or a few others will like his response.

My questions are this: You said you opened your account at 5Dimes a week before you hit this bet and made 20-30 of them. Did you contact 5Dimes before making your first pleaser bet? Did you bet any other types of bets other than those pleasers before you hit that one? This is something that was asked of me concerning your case and I couldn't find the answers so forgive me if I just missed them.

In an ideal world that shouldn't matter I guess. But I've come to find out that if I had been a customer of a book for a year and had bet $50 MLs or spreads and then suddenly started to bet 50 cent pleasers on an obv off payout I'd probably be given more benefit of the doubt than someone who deposited merely to attack the mistake. Not making a judgement either way... just trying to get a bit more info before I decide.

**pjesnik24** · 12-01-12, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

The only fair thing to do at this point I suppose is to release my betting logs for all to see. Believe me when I started this my intentions were not to eat sbr reputation. All though I was upset with 5d and did not care about their reputation I was never attempting to mis lead anybody. I simply wanted fair and unbiased opinions and when I received all the support that just fueled my fire. If u decide to release the logs and that sways people to agree with u that I would have not made these subsequent bets or deposited $ had I not been mis informed I am 100% for that! I'm looking for an honest opinion and ruling I wanted sbr and the followers here to have the same info that 5d had to make their decision.
The only thing I dis agree with here is if ur a new customer in in chartered waters and read the rules and do ur research and homework on a situation and it states;
When running into a bad line or something u feel may or could not be right report it to cs right away to protect urself. If they say it's ok then u can proceed with out concern!
When I called I asked to speak to a manager! I then was transferred to 2 seperate people who cleared my wagers! Even after getting the already pending wagers cleared I refused to make the bet again.

do not worry, you have not ruined SBRs reputation at all because they are losing reputation with every day for the last couple of years. they have become sportsbook advocates and not players advocates like they were few years ago

**sharpcircle** · 12-01-12, 12:29 PM

SBR mafia.

pay or else.

**cloverfield** · 12-01-12, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

I know it seems to tug on heartstrings when it seems like a small player strikes it big and goes against the evil sportsbooks, but the player knew the payout was no good. Just because a Walmart employee gives you 100x your change and he and another cashier don't realize their mistake doesn't mean you should whistle and go stock up your cart with items you couldn't afford simply because you "covered all your bases". It is truly troubling to imagine a world in which we only do the right thing once we are told to.

Lou/Bill,

Thanks for coming in to touch base with us...

Since SBR did a full investigation into this and the player said any info can be released..Here are some valid questions:

1) Did SBR hear via recording/chat log the player ask to speak to a supervisor? Did SBR hear the player ask at any time later to speak to another supervisor? Is it true the supervisor confirmed (once or twice) that the bets/payout was valid upon review? Did the reps lie and say they were supervisors further misleading the player into thinking higher level management approved it?

2) When SBR confirmed the players subsequent wagers did he in fact only play straight/parlays or did he continue to play 6-team pleasers with a "flawed" payout table? Surely if the player was trying to be deceitful he would have loaded up on 6-team pleasers.

3) What did SBR learn from 5Dimes as to why the payout table was different in this case? I'm sure other players placed 6-team pleasers that weekend. Did the other pleaser bettors have the same incorrect odds? I'm sure you must have inquired what exactly went wrong with the payout table as this was the heart of the matter.

4) Did 5Dimes tell you in the future if supervisor/CS rep review will be handled differently? Can we trust the information we are given (esp. from supervisors) going forward at 5Dimes?

I think in this instance, like you did above, it's fair to compare 5Dimes to a Walmart cashier. It's true incompetence at the highest level. If I were banking at a decent financial institution and I asked about a situation regarding my balance...I'd hope to get an honest and professional answer...and especially IF it were verified twice I'd take the answer as gold from supervisors.

**HedgeHog** · 12-01-12, 01:50 PM

Justin 7 had the right call on this case, simply follow 5D's own rules. Big surprise that he wasn't allowed to handle this case. 5D stole 30k with an assist from SBR. Shameful.

**joeyd2232** · 12-01-12, 02:12 PM

Dan can't you post your deposit and wagering history on your own?

**MBENZ** · 12-01-12, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by joeyd2232

Dan can't you post your deposit and wagering history on your own?

Louie Depalma probably has his account blocked.

**CamelFish** · 12-01-12, 03:05 PM

Lets switch the specific details around a bit, but leave the key points and circumstances completely the same.

I am a freqeunt depositor and place a $5 bet on a bad line 2 years ago that I win. In the subsequent 2 years I run up a roll of $100k. I attempt to cash out $75k today, only to be told by the SB that I not only won't be paid my $75k, but that I now owe the book a balance of $25k and will have a hit squad sent to "take care" of me and my family unless I pay the $25k. Yes, it's the exact same situation.

If SBR claims this situation is any different, than you are stating that your assumptions of the players intentions as well as the dollar amount is what factored in to your 'ruling'. And if that's the case, then that's just sickening.

All I keep hearing is that OP just needs to be happy that he got what he got, and "probably" wouldn't have made subsequent bets despite the fact that he made max deposits every day since he created an account. This is beyond ridiculous.

At the very least you have an A+ book threatening customers lives repeatedly and SBR maintaining their A+ rating. This is a joke.

**Monte** · 12-01-12, 03:06 PM

I knew i should have never come back to SBR, even posting on this (now) scam site makes me feel dirty.

**MonkeyF0cker** · 12-01-12, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by shari91

I haven't wanted to comment because 1. I work here 2. I attract trolls like poop attracts flies and 3. I don't have all the facts.

But I have been following both threads you have going and I've swung back and forth with my feelings. Went out for dinner with a kind of bigwig at Sportingbet Australia this week and talked to him about this. Very regulated industry obviously so I wanted to know his thoughts. Hopefully he'll come post them in this thread within the next day or two himself although I'm not sure you or a few others will like his response.

My questions are this: You said you opened your account at 5Dimes a week before you hit this bet and made 20-30 of them. Did you contact 5Dimes before making your first pleaser bet? Did you bet any other types of bets other than those pleasers before you hit that one? This is something that was asked of me concerning your case and I couldn't find the answers so forgive me if I just missed them.

In an ideal world that shouldn't matter I guess. But I've come to find out that if I had been a customer of a book for a year and had bet $50 MLs or spreads and then suddenly started to bet 50 cent pleasers on an obv off payout I'd probably be given more benefit of the doubt than someone who deposited merely to attack the mistake. Not making a judgement either way... just trying to get a bit more info before I decide.

He apparently called twice to verify that the payout was correct. If he was then told that it was not correct, who is to say that he would not have deposited more funds? If he were truly attempting to attack a poor line, why did he not continue betting the six team pleasers as he essentially had a green light to do so? If he thought he was pulling a fast one on 5Dimes, why didn't he immediately withdraw his funds from there? If his bets had lost, would Tony be attempting to collect that amount from him?

But no, let's just assume the worst of the player and give the book that's threatening peoples' lives the benefit of the doubt. LOL. Okay.

**Bill Dozer** · 12-01-12, 04:05 PM

This is my last post in this thread because 1) no one is addressing the obvious counterpoints made and there is a lot of repetition 2) we got a political party of sorts who always vote together on these SBR vs banner sponsor threads and tend to ignore the other side. Once these threads are old and brought up again with new eyes, the reader opinions are usually much different.

Originally posted by CamelFish

Lets switch the specific details around a bit, but leave the key points and circumstances completely the same.
I am a freqeunt depositor and place a $5 bet on a bad line 2 years ago that I win. In the subsequent 2 years I run up a roll of $100k. I attempt to cash out $75k today, only to be told by the SB that I not only won't be paid my $75k, but that I now owe the book a balance of $25k and will have a hit squad sent to "take care" of me and my family unless I pay the $25k. Yes, it's the exact same situation.

If SBR claims this situation is any different, than you are stating that your assumptions of the players intentions as well as the dollar amount is what factored in to your 'ruling'. And if that's the case, then that's just sickening.

Missing errors like this is its own issue but you haven't mentioned how much you made off with in the example. Did you get $20k accidently?

First, let's look at the opposite extreme... You got paid out 3 zeros too much. $25,000 instead of 25 dollars. You bet that $25k on the total of a game starting right after yours is graded. By the logic here, your bet was "graded wrong" so you get to keep the 23k from your next win. To all that say they agree the player gets to keep the money, I'd have to conclude there is a lack of understanding and this conversation can't ever end.

To your example, maybe you were paid at +200 instead of -200 during baseball and go on to bet as you normally do. This made a difference of a few hundred in your account while you are firing in MLB plays. In all likelihood you would never hear about it. Good books overlook this and don't retroactively undo account activity... especially if it's not obvious to you. But if you bet your last 5 bucks to win 5 and got 5000, you're cheating and there is no way getting a front-line CS clerk on livechat whos not smart or experienced enough to see it, means you get to keep the money.

The difference is, what is often subjective, the word "obvious". Sometimes the dog and fav are reversed and it's not obvious to the player but the book can show it was compared to the market. Sometimes the player just doesn't know. Other players bet 5 seconds after each bad line because they are watching a live lines screen for just that. If it's questionable, the player gets the benefit of the doubt. If you get paid 100x the correct amount, it's obvious. No matter how you look at it, the player knows he's betting with ill-gotten money he didn't deserve...plays he would have otherwise made or not, he wasn't risking his own money since he re-upped with 7000-1 (which he would hit for each 75-ish(?) combinations normally).

Shari:

In an ideal world that shouldn't matter I guess. But I've come to find out that if I had been a customer of a book for a year and had bet $50 MLs or spreads and then suddenly started to bet 50 cent pleasers on an obv off payout I'd probably be given more benefit of the doubt than someone who deposited merely to attack the mistake. Not making a judgement either way... just trying to get a bit more info before I decide.

Right, not necessarily relevant to an individual case but 5D did say this error of a wrong # was input ages ago and no one bet it for yrs. Suddenly at the start of October a handful of guys are firing at the 7k-1 6 team pleaser. 5D believes it was shared among a group or posted in a forum and people came in to see if they could score on it. Some did very well including the player here. I'm not concluding he was connected to the group of bettors or again, that it matters.

**pjesnik24** · 12-01-12, 04:15 PM

lol

**cloverfield** · 12-01-12, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is my last post in this thread because 1) no one is addressing the obvious counterpoints made and there is a lot of repetition 2) we got a political party of sorts who always vote together on these SBR vs banner sponsor threads and tend to ignore the other side. Once these threads are old and brought up again with new eyes, the reader opinions are usually much different.

Missing errors like this is its own issue but you haven't mentioned how much you made off with in the example. Did you get $20k accidently?

First, let's look at the opposite extreme... You got paid out 3 zeros too much. $25,000 instead of 25 dollars. You bet that $25k on the total of a game starting right after yours is graded. By the logic here, your bet was "graded wrong" so you get to keep the 23k from your next win. To all that say they agree the player gets to keep the money, I'd have to conclude there is a lack of understanding and this conversation can't ever end.

To your example, maybe you were paid at +200 instead of -200 during baseball and go on to bet as you normally do. This made a difference of a few hundred in your account while you are firing in MLB plays. In all likelihood you would never hear about it. Good books overlook this and don't retroactively undo account activity... especially if it's not obvious to you. But if you bet your last 5 bucks to win 5 and got 5000, you're cheating and there is no way getting a front-line CS clerk on livechat whos not smart or experienced enough to see it, means you get to keep the money.

The difference is, what is often subjective, the word "obvious". Sometimes the dog and fav are reversed and it's not obvious to the player but the book can show it was compared to the market. Sometimes the player just doesn't know. Other players bet 5 seconds after each bad line because they are watching a live lines screen for just that. If it's questionable, the player gets the benefit of the doubt. If you get paid 100x the correct amount, it's obvious. No matter how you look at it, the player knows he's betting with ill-gotten money he didn't deserve...plays he would have otherwise made or not, he wasn't risking his own money since he re-upped with 7000-1 (which he would hit for each 75-ish(?) combinations normally).

Shari:

Right, not necessarily relevant to an individual case but 5D did say this error of a wrong # was input ages ago and no one bet it for yrs. Suddenly at the start of October a handful of guys are firing at the 7k-1 6 team pleaser. 5D believes it was shared among a group or posted in a forum and people came in to see if they could score on it. Some did very well including the player here. I'm not concluding he was connected to the group of bettors or again, that it matters.

Bill...that's harsh.. none of my questions pertaining to the actual complaint were answered by you.
I thought after a thorough review of the complaint they would be pretty cut and dry.

What's really odd is that we don't get any actual facts from 5Dimes side...just how the owners of SBR "feel" about the issue.

**Dan bouton** · 12-01-12, 09:06 PM

Wow that makes this even sicker! Your saying this "obvious" error has been out there for years! This is also possibly an organized plot against 5d. I tell u if I was part of any ring involved in this so called scam, I would be shot! I would be shot for trying to point this out to 5d in mid October before I ever won or cashed out a dime. In any case 5dime should be praising me and thanking me for almost saving them massive amounts of money! Think about it, u said all this money was won between oct and now! Well if they handled my call as it should have been I would have saved them a lot of money! They sould pay me on my honesty and integrity alone. If u listened to my call and are still willing to make a statement against my credidibility that's horrible! However I figure u have not cause 5d releasing it to u would just make them the laughing stock of books having had the chance to fix this befor loosing however much money they did by some so called group of bettors!

As for Lou, u may want to check him out ciz he's got me really confused with the statements I've received from him!

Shari I have answers for u it's just gonna take a long post to explain the situation.

Also if I wanted to scam or post only 50 cent bets why would I deposit 900$ right away? Wouldn't I put in as little as possible say 100$ at a time? Then only place those wagers! Wouldn't I just pull as much money out as fast as I could? I left so much money in there by not taking my max withdrawal options! I could be sitting with 30k at least if I used dif withdrawal options and or maxed my withdraw every week!

**raydog** · 12-01-12, 09:45 PM

tony seriously needs to clean house at that place...how does a mistake like that even happen

enjoy your 11k...nobody can blame you for any betting you have done since getting confirmation on the payout...but it was wrong, you knew it was wrong and had to know it would catch up to you...you wont and shouldnt see more than what you already got out of the error...my only question is why wouldnt you withdraw all that...like i said, you knew it would catch up to you sometime and know what kind of business tony runs...

as for the threats...its the internet

**Dan bouton** · 12-02-12, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by raydog

tony seriously needs to clean house at that place...how does a mistake like that even happen

enjoy your 11k...nobody can blame you for any betting you have done since getting confirmation on the payout...but it was wrong, you knew it was wrong and had to know it would catch up to you...you wont and shouldnt see more than what you already got out of the error...my only question is why wouldnt you withdraw all that...like i said, you knew it would catch up to you sometime and know what kind of business tony runs...

as for the threats...its the internet

U r right I did grow concerned of that bet after I researched bad lines and what not on the internet, but as I said I was new to 5d and online sb in general and did not even know a tony existed at 5d so I was unaware he ran his business like the mafia!

I did however research how I go about correcting an issue like this. Having some pending in my acct I placed a call, pointed out the payable and clearing my specific wagers. After doing that I felt a bit better about the bets plus at that point I had not won any $! I then hit one of the pending wagers! Since the bets were cleared I thought they would be ok but I still refused to lay another pleaser. I started placing other wagers and kept winning I was pulling out a lot of $ I just kept winning a lot more. I basically just kept winning and could not even manage to keep my bal under 10k. I guess I was just running to good at the time. Unfortunately the funds in my acct were tainted because of the 3990 misgrade.I am just to inexperienced to relize this is how it works!

This was also my reason for starting the thread! In being so inexperienced I wanted to find out other more experienced players take on this. With all the support and info I gathered I guess it made me a little ups obsessed with the case and getting it resolved. I never thought I'd get any more $ because tony said a ruling against him is immaterial and would not matter either way I just felt he should be exposed for that and the threats.

I was also never trying to take advantage of 5d so I would not be the type to try and pull the $ out ASAP as a shot taker or dis honest person would.

I guess what I'm saying in the end I did not know if I was wrong or right . However I do now feel the money should be turned over to me because of 5d own rules. Had I lost the 3990 I would owe.

**drfunkmaster** · 12-02-12, 03:27 AM

So one can bet .57 cents on a 6 team pleaser!

**Optional** · 12-02-12, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

This is my last post in this thread because 1) no one is addressing the obvious counterpoints made and there is a lot of repetition

I was thinking the same about your posts Bill.

I do not see anyone disputing that the bet should be cancelled. Just most who do not agree with you that the ONLY point that matters is that the Player bet a bad line. Whilst ignoring the rest of the facts that don't suit your argument.

You have consistently failed to even mention that the player did alert 5D to the potential issue. He acted in good faith at that stage, and that is the point where the player is now allowed to keep all funds from future bets.

Do you have some evidence that suggests the player was not acting in good faith at that time? ie: Did the player not really clearly alert both 5D employees to the problem?

If you have some evidence you think shows this guy took a shot at 5D knowingly, trot it out, as that is the only reasonable excuse for this stance you are taking imho... ie: the guy having made a whole bunch of these pleaser bets like Shari said.

Did anything like that happen Bill?

Just show us 2 bets on the bad line, or the guy trying to cash out and run with the bad payout money, or a run of crazy throw away bets after the win, and I'll swap to your side.

The player acted properly at every step. 5D cocked up once by putting the bet up, twice by CS confirming the payout was correct, thirdly when a second employee confirmed it and fourth when they paid out 11k if they really do not think it's not the players money he is betting with at this point.

Tell us again what the player did wrong to deserve being threatened and stolen from Bill?

**SlickRick1382** · 12-02-12, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

I know it seems to tug on heartstrings when it seems like a small player strikes it big and goes against the evil sportsbooks, but the player knew the payout was no good. Just because a Walmart employee gives you 100x your change and he and another cashier don't realize their mistake doesn't mean you should whistle and go stock up your cart with items you couldn't afford simply because you "covered all your bases". It is truly troubling to imagine a world in which we only do the right thing once we are told to.

Right,

So lets take me as an example. I play at 5 Dimes as well. I mostly play spreads and ML's. Even still I always throw something small on a parlay from time to time or even do open parlays. Nothing major but rather than spend 20 bucks on lotto I prefer this.

For argument's sake lets say that I make a nice bet and hit it big and then with that balance go on a tear. Turns out their odds on my parlay were wrong. Now I had no idea of this because 1. I don't know the odds of those compounded parlay's 2. I would never waste my time to check as I trust that 5 Dimes knows what they are doing. Let's take it a step further. Because nothing "seemed" out of the ordinary with those parlay's, I never call 5 Dimes CS to check and see if they payout was correct. Why would I right? I play these on occasion and have no reason to think anything was wrong.

Am I responsible further down the road if it turns out their odds were incorrect and they overpaid me?

Unrelated to this response to you Lou is the actions by Tony which I didn't address. I would really love to see the chat logs and what he said to this kid in terms of threats. That is beyond unacceptable that he would threaten to cause harm to a man and his family. I'm glad to see there are no repercussions for those actions. I'm going to start going around and threatening to have people taken care of. Perhaps I should start with people from 5 Dimes.

**slash** · 12-02-12, 12:58 PM

It must be great to read this thread for other books thinking of scamming players.

Just put out a bad line from time to time. When players bet them, put the winnings in their accounts, and in case the players win big in the future, call bad line on the old bets and confiscate their balances.

**HedgeHog** · 12-02-12, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by drfunkmaster

So one can bet .57 cents on a 6 team pleaser!

Yes, but getting paid on a winning bet is certainly not guaranteed.

**Dan bouton** · 12-02-12, 09:53 PM

So now if a shot taker or anybody else who does not relize a mistake was made on there acct can bet with that money and not have to worry about paying the misgrade $ back! If that's the case your ruling holds weight but if myself or anybody ( dishonest shot taker or not) would have to pay the book any $ lost due to a misgrade the book is free rolling the player! If I would have owed 3990 had I lost it then that money was temporarily mine and I was responsible for it until the correction is made. I guess it's easy to say now that it was the books $ I played but time will tell if that was really the case!

**Trident** · 12-02-12, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

However I do now feel the money should be turned over to me because of 5d own rules. Had I lost the 3990 I would owe.

That's the way they operate these days, they are always right no matter what the rule states they have posted.

**HedgeHog** · 12-03-12, 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=Bill Dozer;16972294]This is my last post in this thread because 1) no one is addressing the obvious counterpoints made and there is a lot of repetition 2) we got a political party of sorts who always vote together on these SBR vs banner sponsor threads and tend to ignore the other side. Once these threads are old and brought up again with new eyes, the reader opinions are usually much different./QUOTE]

Perhaps some day when 5D isn't a sponsor anymore, you will look back at this thread and realize you helped cheat this guy out of tens of thousands. The error in question involved just one bet and the amount in question was about $3000--not a windfall by any stretch. How can you honestly say that the OP wouldn't have re-upped and went on the same run? Simply put, you can't. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of his other action was improper, so it should stand. Justin7 gets this and he's by far your best mediator. Let him take a second look at this case and make the PROPER judgment.

**evo34** · 12-03-12, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

I know it seems to tug on heartstrings when it seems like a small player strikes it big and goes against the evil sportsbooks, but the player knew the payout was no good. Just because a Walmart employee gives you 100x your change and he and another cashier don't realize their mistake doesn't mean you should whistle and go stock up your cart with items you couldn't afford simply because you "covered all your bases". It is truly troubling to imagine a world in which we only do the right thing once we are told to.

This (Walmart analogy) might be the most moronic thing I have read on this site. Imagine if the customer who got overpaid his change at Walmart by $10 went home and proceeded to invest it all in a penny stock. Over months, that stock rises 100x.
Now Walmart calls up and tells the guy, "Hey we overpaid you 2 months ago. The amount was $10".
Customer: "OK, I actually asked the cashier twice if he gave me correct change. Anyway, you're right and I'll get you the $10."
Walmart: "Wellll. Here's the thing. We looked up your trading records with our brokerage arm, and it looks like you risked $10 and turned it into $1,000. So.....we'll be taking that as well."
Customer: "So you are claiming ownership of the next $10 I had spent, no matter what?"
Walmart: "Pretty much. Yes."
Customer: "And if that $10 stock investment had gone to zero, you would still want $10 from me?"
Walmart: "Yes. We are claiming the money owed to us, plus any financial gain you experienced after our error. If you experienced only finiancial loss after our error, that is your loss, not ours. It allows us to make money without taking on any risk."

Awesome work all around, Bloodhound Gang.

**SBR Lou** · 12-03-12, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by evo34

This (Walmart analogy) might be the most moronic thing I have read on this site. Imagine if the customer who got overpaid his change at Walmart by $10 went home and proceeded to invest it all in a penny stock. Over months, that stock rises 100x.

I'd have said the same about yours, as it completely changes the message. The first one, the customer is still in the store loading his cart, with stuff from that store, after being given a meaningless stamp of approval from staff who didn't know better, not a "penny stock". We can modify it to say he cashed out $11,000 worth of stuff day one, and later was detected trying to redeem more.

Sounds like a small group of players should feel fortunate they walked away with what they did.

**evo34** · 12-03-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

I'd have said the same about yours, as it completely changes the message. The first one, the customer is still in the store loading his cart, with stuff from that store, not a "penny stock". We can modify it to say he cashed out $11,000 worth of stuff day one, and later was detected trying to redeem more.

Sounds like a small group of players should feel fortunate they walked away with what they did.

Loading a grocery cart? How is that akin to gambling? You don't take extra change, buy some Tide and have it run up 100x in value. The entire crux of this case is that money was won. It was not transferred risk-free from cash to goods. Again, worst analogy I have seen.

**cloverfield** · 12-03-12, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by evo34

Loading a grocery cart? How is that akin to gambling? You don't take extra change, buy some Tide and have it run up 100x in value. The entire crux of this case is that money was won. It was not transferred risk-free from cash to goods. Again, worst analogy I have seen.

Hell I asked 4 questions directly about the investigation/complaint itself(post 218) and can't get any answers.
(Hint: I don't think they did much of an investigation)

**raydog** · 12-03-12, 07:21 PM

hh, nothing sbr or anyone else says or does will make tony change his mind...he has a right to be upset, but also needs to fire the fukk out of the idiots that work for him...no sense in sbr or anyone else looking over the case..its done

proper??? wahahah...the proper thing would have been for him to tell them their payout chart was wrong and needed to be fixed...not just take the word of a few clerks who just looked at the screen and agreed with each other...you really dont want to get into a convo about the morals or the proper thing that should have been done of this case.....

dan, players know down to the penny what their accts. should be... as a whole, they contact the book the 1st second an error has been made that isnt in their favor...and keep quiet when an error is made in their favor...

**HedgeHog** · 12-03-12, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

I'd have said the same about yours, as it completely changes the message. The first one, the customer is still in the store loading his cart, with stuff from that store, not a "penny stock". We can modify it to say he cashed out $11,000 worth of stuff day one, and later was detected trying to redeem more.

Sounds like a small group of players should feel fortunate they walked away with what they did.

Sounds to me like your SBR's puppet, authorizing outright theft by a sponsor book. How about bowing out and letting Justin7 make an unbiased decision in this case?

PS Bill made the same statement about this possible syndicate but wouldn't commit to saying the OP was involved based on his sole winning bet. Do you have new evidence that the OP was part of it--or is this just more diversion BS?

**Dan bouton** · 12-03-12, 08:08 PM

If ur still trying to imply that I'm some part of a group who tried getting one over on 5dimes ur pretty sick. If I were part of any group why would I have called 5d and ask them about this possible bad payable! This was done before I won any bet in question or cashed any profit at all. So what ur saying is that I knew when I called 5d in early October I was going to ask for a manager point out a possible "huge" mistake that " nobody can possibly interpret as being correct" and they were gonna drop the ball and let all bets ride? Not just mine but my so called group of people who profited! Give me a break that is just ridiculous! I'm a newbie when it comes to this so I have no idea what a correct and incorrect pay is. However I do research things I partake in to better understand them and that is how I came to the idea of this possibly being a bad line, pay table or whatever u want to call it. As soon as there was the smallest doubt in my mind that this could be incorrect I followed the proper and standard protocall! I'm then given bad info by two people and it's my fault!

I placed between 8- 900 bets with 5 dimes in the 6 weeks or so I was there. Now 20-30 were pleasers making them a very small percentage of my actual bets(3-4%) . The money won from these pleasers was 1 wager for 3990 with all other profits won from all other wagers wich is about 40k. Again this is a very small percent. My point to all this is if I were truly a shot taker wouldn't I have put as little money in my acct as possible and a majority of my bets and winning would have been on the wager in question! Please Post my charts and explain this!

Ray
i disagree with ur post where u say this is over and should be left alone cuz tony won't change his mind! U may be right about tony but that is one of the main issues! Tony says all rulings are immaterial at this point and don't matter. That alone should be addressed because he basically states that nothing matters to him if he wants to screw u he will and nobody can stop him! Even if sbr can't squeeze a penny out of him they can make an example of his tactics and show books that it is not tolerated! Sbr can make a fair ruling and hurt 5dimes in many ways it does not mean they have to get me the money cuz they can't control tony but they can put some pressure/ sanctions on him and influence to do so!