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  • englishmike
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    • 06-19-08
    • 5279

    #106
    Originally posted by rm18
    he was taking longshots, as said no such thing as a -5000 horse
    -5000 bets occur in every event Betfair takes bets on. When Tiger Woods is 2 shots ahead with one to play he's -5000. When a horse is leading by three lengths with 100 yards left he's -5000.
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    • HeeeHAWWWW
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 06-13-08
      • 5487

      #107
      Originally posted by tacomax
      Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 50,000-1 on a dead cert from aston's account. Hacker's real account places a $1 bet at 50,000-1. Bet wins. Money in hacker's account. Hacker withdraws.

      Extremely obvious though - i know betfair's software actually picks that up.
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      • tacomax
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        • 08-10-05
        • 9619

        #108
        Originally posted by englishmike
        -5000 bets occur in every event Betfair takes bets on. When Tiger Woods is 2 shots ahead with one to play he's -5000
        But what are the odds of losing x3 -5000 bets in a row (well I know the odds, but you know what I mean).

        Assuming that the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. It's a story exponentially more believable than SexyGamblerChick. Seeing the betting pattern at Betfair should pretty much clear this up.
        Originally posted by pags11
        SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
        Originally posted by BuddyBear
        I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
        Originally posted by curious
        taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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        • englishmike
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          #109
          Originally posted by tacomax
          Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 50,000-1 on a dead cert from aston's account. Hacker's real account places a $1 bet at 50,000-1. Bet wins. Money in hacker's account. Hacker withdraws.
          In theory its possible and if that did happen he'll get his money back because it will be reflected in the data that someone offered to lay a horse at a false price. That said, the data will also show if they were bets that were struck at the same odds as everyone else who betted the same event. In your scenario the hacker would need to have access to all his information and another fake account. He'd also have to hope Betfair weren't alerted to the theft before he attempted to withdraw. How do you explain the hacker knowing the 3 digit security number o the back of his card?
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          • englishmike
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            • 06-19-08
            • 5279

            #110
            Originally posted by tacomax
            But what are the odds of losing x3 -5000 bets in a row (well I know the odds, but you know what I mean).

            Assuming that the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. It's a story exponentially more believable than SexyGamblerChick. Seeing the betting pattern at Betfair should pretty much clear this up.
            Agreed, but as I already pointed out, what's the difference between the OP making this up because HE lost the money and will try anything to get it back and the hacker story? In a scenario where someone ost money they later regretted, this is the only story that can be made up and that's his problem, there's no way of proving anything, given it was accesed from his I.P. with the correct password. That's not say I disbeleive him, I'm just pointing out the obvious.
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            • aston
              SBR MVP
              • 11-05-08
              • 1185

              #111
              WTF

              no mate I do not have enemys that would to do that fraud to me..
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              • aston
                SBR MVP
                • 11-05-08
                • 1185

                #112
                Engish mike my punting history should make a difference I have not bet insane amount of $161,00 in less than 30 minutes and as for my credit card they did block it and flag the credit card because of odd activity .also Englishmike I am A PREMINUM Com% paying customer for betfair and for me to get to that level deserves skill and time
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                • tacomax
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                  • 08-10-05
                  • 9619

                  #113
                  Originally posted by englishmike
                  Agreed, but as I already pointed out, what's the difference between the OP making this up because HE lost the money and will try anything to get it back and the hacker story?
                  I did say that if the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. In that case, the OP wouldn't be telling the truth.

                  Betting patterns from Betfair will make or break this. And I'm pretty sure that Betfair looked at all of this when the issus was raised.

                  Also offering to settle cents on the dollar before anyone investigates is a little fishy as well.
                  Originally posted by pags11
                  SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                  Originally posted by BuddyBear
                  I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                  Originally posted by curious
                  taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                  • aston
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-05-08
                    • 1185

                    #114
                    Tacomax thank you very much for your support but betfair has not offered me anyhting yet tbh...but I hope to get my money back as the truth is on my side
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                    • aston
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-05-08
                      • 1185

                      #115
                      here is story about credit card at betfair http://www.yaps4u.net/mt_archives/20...redit_car.html
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                      • APK
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 11-23-06
                        • 188

                        #116
                        aston,

                        Were you using your own computer at the time the bets were placed?
                        Is your computer connected to the internet through wifi?
                        Would it be possible to prove you were somewhere else at the time the bets were placed?
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                        • noyb
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 09-13-05
                          • 971

                          #117
                          Originally posted by APK
                          aston,
                          Would it be possible to prove you were somewhere else at the time the bets were placed?
                          even if he could, that wouldn't prove anything. i'm suprised though aston hasn't commented further about how his computer would have been hacked in all his further posts.
                          to be able obtain all the data needed for a hack his computer should be infested with all kinds of spyware. hacks don't happen out of the blue. this question was raised earlier by data but not really taken any further.
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                          • APK
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 11-23-06
                            • 188

                            #118
                            Originally posted by noyb

                            even if he could, that wouldn't prove anything.
                            It could prove that it wasn't him that placed the bets.
                            Still not really Betfair's problem if somebody leaves the front door open and his credit card and password next to his computer.
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                            • noyb
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 09-13-05
                              • 971

                              #119
                              Originally posted by APK
                              Still not really Betfair's problem if somebody leaves the front door open and his credit card and password next to his computer.
                              exactly.
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                              • wtf
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-22-08
                                • 12983

                                #120
                                the main contention of aston is these wagers were grossly out of his betting patterns and should have been stopped pending verification by betfair.
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                                • APK
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 11-23-06
                                  • 188

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by noyb
                                  exactly.
                                  If that's the case...

                                  Weird story.
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                                  • noyb
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 09-13-05
                                    • 971

                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by APK
                                    If that's the case...
                                    yeah, but that's why proving he was or was not at home does not change anything, it's just as irrelevant as the argument betfair should have stopped the bets, because they shouldn't, or the argument the bets were outside the normal betting pattern which could never be an argument for anything. betfair has the power to see where all the money on these bets went, only if something suspicious comes out of that this thread might get a followup
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                                    • aston
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-05-08
                                      • 1185

                                      #123
                                      I was not at home when the bets were placed and my computer does not have any virus tbh and the *credit card company did Block the credit credit card* and betfair in the past has blocked my account due to a odd high bet also betfair contacts me once my account has been empty to change the password...?! (which in case I did before I read there email) also my betting history over the 5 years does prove I do not punt $161,00 in 30 mintues and I do not lay 30 1 to 50-1 shots and betfair has to some level does prove this because I am preminium com paying customer and you cannot get that level by placing those type of punts that I have stated..as for connection I use my deskstpe which is connected direct and my labtop which is by router.
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                                      • HeeeHAWWWW
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                                        • 06-13-08
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                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by aston
                                        ....as for connection I use my deskstpe which is connected direct and my labtop which is by router.

                                        Wireless?
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                                        • aston
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-05-08
                                          • 1185

                                          #125
                                          my desktop is not wireless but my labtop is wireless but both have been checked for virus and spyware and both computer are clean.

                                          *Is there any other place I can contact besides here DRF SPORTINGLIFE or RACINGPOST WHICH I did contact yesterday)*

                                          STILL WATING FOR BETFAIR REPLY OR UPDATE ON THE DISPUTE AS OVER THE PHONE YESTERDAY THEY SAID THEY WOULD SEND ME A EMAIL! !
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                                          • aston
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-05-08
                                            • 1185

                                            #126
                                            also I still cannot login into my betfair account
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                                            • wtf
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 08-22-08
                                              • 12983

                                              #127
                                              if you get a forensic test of your pc that will give you a lot of credibility and you can go to the mainstream UK press. they will run the story.

                                              betfair will continue to ignore you.
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                                              • HeeeHAWWWW
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                                                • 06-13-08
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                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by aston
                                                my desktop is not wireless but my labtop is wireless but both have been checked for virus and spyware and both computer are clean.

                                                What type of wifi encryption are you using?
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                                                • englishmike
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                                                  • 06-19-08
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                                                  #129
                                                  HeeHaww: I can see why you would look down the encryption route but in that scenario wouldn't the person doing the hacking need to know where he lived or are you thinking about intercepting the informaton much further down the line? And wouldn't that person also have to have a fake account at Betfair to place bets against...unless it was someone who wanted to empty the account for sh1ts and giggles right?
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                                                  • HeeeHAWWWW
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                                                    • 06-13-08
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                                                    #130
                                                    Well yeah - but the question of the hacker's motivation doesn't really change regardless of how he got access. As I said above: why wouldn't he just dump chips via poker? From what we've heard, he just tried to empty the account for no reason.

                                                    If wireless snooping was used, it would have just been random wardriving, then snooping. This would yield the username/password, and the CVV if the deposit was made via the laptop.
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                                                    • aston
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-05-08
                                                      • 1185

                                                      #131
                                                      I have had a local computer company check my computer for virus by forensic test mate do you mean give it to he police? because when I file a complaint they did not ask for the computer??
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                                                      • englishmike
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                                                        • 06-19-08
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                                                        #132
                                                        You need to report this to the UK police at Scotland Yard. Even if they don't take it seriously get a crime report number from them so it can be seen you made a complaint of theft.
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                                                        • aston
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                                                          • 11-05-08
                                                          • 1185

                                                          #133
                                                          also please read the thread I have posted above and others I have found





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                                                          • aston
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-05-08
                                                            • 1185

                                                            #134
                                                            English mike I did fill out this form https://secure.met.police.uk/enquiries/index.php
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                                                            • englishmike
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                                                              • 06-19-08
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                                                              #135
                                                              Thats a general enquiry form, if you enqired how to make a complaint then wait and see what happens, if you didn't just call them and report it.

                                                              I've read the links you've posted and i can honestly say I didn't realise they had these issues, although having said that, given the ammount of transactions they process in a year it's probably negligable but it does show fraud is possible.
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                                                              • laconic
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 11-02-08
                                                                • 120

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by aston
                                                                English mike I did fill out this form https://secure.met.police.uk/enquiries/index.php
                                                                Try this too

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                                                                • aston
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 11-05-08
                                                                  • 1185

                                                                  #137
                                                                  English mike I did call them and the gave me a number which I have to give to my local police which I wil do today (also the UK police said the the canada police will make contact with interpol regarding this case)
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                                                                  • aston
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 11-05-08
                                                                    • 1185

                                                                    #138
                                                                    also I did fill out this form as well http://www.interpol.int/Public/contact.asp and wait and see for what happens
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                                                                    • aston
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 11-05-08
                                                                      • 1185

                                                                      #139
                                                                      More problems for betfair

                                                                      As you have read, last week Pokerchamps, a site owned by Betfair decided to close all U.S. Accounts and gave those customers 24 hours to wit...


                                                                      just proves Betfair no the best business practice
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                                                                      • englishmike
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                                                                        • 06-19-08
                                                                        • 5279

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by aston
                                                                        English mike I did call them and the gave me a number which I have to give to my local police which I wil do today (also the UK police said the the canada police will make contact with interpol regarding this case)
                                                                        if you feel you have a genuine case it's irrelevent what we say on here, the bottom line is you're claiming you've had $160K stolen and if that's the case it needs to be turned over to the police, whether that's interpol or Scotland yard or your local police in Canada. The sum involved will make them investigate it and it can't hurt your case because Betfair won't take any notice of SBR anyway, why would they, they're governed by IBAS.
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