Religious Questions for any Religious people. Thank You.

[yisman]

Another thread for people to fight over religion.

JohnGalt had a few of these threads.

[chiliv5]

#1 - Nobody has a clue was a "day, week, or year" really meant then. Accounting for the diffenrence of 24 hour days is impossible.

#2 - When God made Adam and Eve there wasn't any sin in the world. Therefore, lust was unconcievable.

#3 - agree w/ sports mushrooms answer.

[nobs]

Messed up? Who say's he's messed up? If u live by cultural and social norms then yes he is "messed up", but he's lived and living a life that most people can only dream of. So are u implyin he is "messed up" because he hasnt found the Lord Jesus Christ?!

Yes, I believe he admits to both Hard drug and alcohol abuse. He has been locked up more than once. There have been abuse allegations made by several women. there have been allegations that he molested his own daughters, the list goes on, so yes I guess I am implying that he is proof that there is a deeper need than just money, women, etc.

[JohnGalt2341]

"Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education." -Bertrand Russell

I'm very impressed that you are quoting Bertrand Russell... however... you may or may not know that he was a non-believer. Here's one of my favorite Bertrand Russell quotes:
“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” --Bertrand Russell

[nobs]

You sure you know your book son?

According to the Bible, Adam lived about 6000 years ago. So Earth, according to the Bible, is also about 6000 years old, since Adam was the first man, created in the first week of the Earth's existence.

And don't give me no bullshit how "days" are actually just "stages" and not literally days, as you can't just selectively take out a word here and a paragraph there and (miss)interpret it as it best suits your personal foul interests... The Bible is quite clear on what it meant by seven days:

"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work, neither thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy maidservant nor thy cattle nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11

The reference could not be any clearer. So yeah, according to the Bible, Earth is indeed no more than 6000 years old

What say thee?

and I ask you again, exactly where does it say Adam lived 6000 years ago ???

[nobs]

Here's just a few Bible Contradictions for anyone that is a believer. Someone please explain to me why there are so many contradictions in the Bible? It's almost as if ONE can pick and choose what they believe... hmm.. interesting. If you are a Christian... ask yourself... do you PICK AND CHOOSE which parts of the Bible you believe.. or do you actually believe the entire thing? Either way you are a hypocrite. If you don't think you are... watch this video again.

I tried to watch it. Either the videos is not working or its supposed to be just a blank green screen

[nobs]

For a group of people who supposedly dont believe, they sure seem offended every time someone dares say they believe in God. I will say deep down in their souls, they know there is something more

[JohnGalt2341]

That does it, after watching that dingbat's "argument" I'm convinced now! John, where do you find these "wise scholars", at comic book conventions? I really do feal sorry for you guys.

First off.. I'm not into comic books. I'm glad that you made the assumption though. I've never owned a comic book in my life and I probably never will. Nobody has ever seen me read a comic book and it's likely that nobody will ever see me read a comic book. But in your mind... I probably read them 6 to 10 hours a day. Reality is not important to you... what you WANT to believe is important... at least to you and other believers. If it works for you... I'm glad. For me, I'd rather know the truth. Second... if you want scholars... I'll give you scholars:

[LordVodka]

[JohnGalt2341]

For a group of people who supposedly dont believe, they sure seem offended every time someone dares say they believe in God. I will say deep down in their souls, they know there is something more

It doesn't offend me at all when someone says they believe in God. However, it disturbs me that people believe such nonsense without a shred of evidence... especially when they say that others are doomed for Hell if they don't share their beliefs. I would be equally disturbed if you thought the earth was flat. There's probably a 50/50 chance that Pronk thinks the earth is flat.

[JohnGalt2341]

I tried to watch it. Either the videos is not working or its supposed to be just a blank green screen

Try this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk if it doesn't work for you I think it's your PC.

[LordVodka]

It doesn't offend me at all when someone says they believe in God. However, it disturbs me that people believe such nonsense without a shred of evidence. I would be equally disturbed if you thought the earth was flat. There's probably a 50/50 chance that Pronk thinks the earth is flat.

Look at the religious people in this thread patting each other in the back every time they say something the other agrees with.


Some idiot up there is saying that God has been around forever blah blah blah infinity this and infinity that. You sound stupid.

The universe somehow needs a creator yet God can exist without any explanation? God doesn't need a creator but the universe does?

You need a big daddy to believe in and that's fine but just admit it. Stop patting yourselves on the back every time someone posts a bible verse.

[pronk]

First off.. I'm not into comic books. I'm glad that you made the assumption though. I've never owned a comic book in my life and I probably never will. Nobody has ever seen me read a comic book and it's likely that nobody will ever see me read a comic book. But in your mind... I probably read them 6 to 10 hours a day. Reality is not important to you... what you WANT to believe is important... at least to you and other believers. If it works for you... I'm glad. For me, I'd rather know the truth. Second... if you want scholars... I'll give you scholars:

Ah, Sam Harris-another angry dropout turned atheist with brain damage caused by heavy use of ecstasy and angry at his Creator.

[LordVodka]

Dude, you gotta be the most self-righteous prick in here. How about shut the hell up and stop pretending you know it all.

If I didn't know better I'd say you're being a troll cause nobody can be that dumb and arrogant.

[pronk]

Dude, you gotta be the most self-righteous prick in here. How about shut the hell up and stop pretending you know it all.

If I didn't know better I'd say you're being a troll cause nobody can be that dumb and arrogant.

What's wrong vodka, truth hurts doesn't it? Below are the names of atheists converted to Christianity:

John C. Wright ( libertarian atheist and writer)
Mortimer J. Adler (jewish, philosopher)
Dawn Eden (jewish writer, atheist)
Larry Darby (American Atheists)
Steve Beren (jewish)
Paul Bourget (french atheist)
Francis Sellers Collins (atheist, genetisist)
Simon Greenleaf (Harward professor, atheist)
E. F. "Fritz" Schumacher (economic thinker, atheist)
Ferdinand Brunetière (french darwinist)
Anna Haycraft (british atheist, church of humanity)
Joy Davidman (poet, atheist)
Julie Burchill (british communist and militant feminist)
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (russian free thinker, author, atheist)
Whittaker Chambers (communist, homosexual)
Dame Cicely Saunders (prominent british nurse and writer, atheist)
André Frossard (french atheist)
Eugene D. Genovese (historian, atheist)
Bo Giertz (swede)
Giovanni Papini (pragmatic atheist)
Bernard N. Nathanson (jewish, atheist, founder of pro-choice America)
Peter Hitchens (award winning british author, atheist)
Nicky Gumbel (german jew, atheist, author of "Alpha course")
Nina Hagen (german pop star, atheist)
John Lawson Stoddard (scientific humanist, atheist)
Gabriel Marcel (french philosopher, atheist)
Claude McKay (homosexual, poet, atheist)
Keir Hardie (scottish socialist, atheist)
Paul Jones (british singer, atheist)
Mary Karr (poet, atheist)
Nina Karin Monsen (norwegean moral philosopher, humanist, atheist)
Ignace Lepp (french writer and psychiatrist, atheist)
Elisabeth Leseur (french doctor and editor of atheistic newspaper)
C. S. Lewis (irish novelist, atheist)
George R. Price (geneticist, atheist)Sir Arnold Lunn (british skier, atheist)
Alister McGrath (biochemist, atheist)
Czeslaw Milosz (Nobel prize winner in literature, atheist)
Thomas Muggeridge (british author, atheist)
William J. Murray (son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair)
Gerald Priestland (british BBC foreign correspondent, atheist)
Marvin Olasky (jewish marxist, atheist)
Joseph Pearce (british professor, atheist)
Charles Peguy (french poet, atheist)
Rosalind W. Picard (researcher, atheist)
Enoch Powell (british politician, atheist)
Edith Stein (german jewish philosopher, atheist)
Simone Weil (jewish, atheist)
A. N. Wilson (biographer and novelist, atheist)
Kirk Cameron (actor, atheist)

[LordVodka]

[LordVodka]

What's wrong vodka, truth hurts doesn't it?

The truth? hAHhaa.


What religion are you?

[pronk]

No religions here vodka because

"I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth,
And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried; He descended into hell. The third day he rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From there he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, I believe in the holy apostolic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting."

[LordVodka]

So you're Christian then. Do you believe in the prophet Muhammad?

[pronk]

Mohammed never was a christian and he worshiped Moon diety by the name allah

[nobs]

It doesn't offend me at all when someone says they believe in God. However, it disturbs me that people believe such nonsense without a shred of evidence... especially when they say that others are doomed for Hell if they don't share their beliefs. I would be equally disturbed if you thought the earth was flat. There's probably a 50/50 chance that Pronk thinks the earth is flat.

There is plenty of evidence, you just refuse to see it.

Your first two sentences pretty much say that it doesnt offend you at all, however it disturbs you. Ok, thats your problem if what someone else believes disturbs you.

Not one person in this thread said you are doomed to hell. In fact, you are the one who said that. In fact, ALL the name calling has been done by your side.

No I dont think Earth is flat. That was what science believed. If we were living during those times, I can guarantee you that you would believe it and you would be calling anyone who dared doubt it an idiot.

[LordVodka]

Mohammed never was a christian and he worshiped Moon diety by the name allah

Right of course islam is a crazy religion that makes no sense. Christianity on the other hand makes perfect sense and is completely believable. A guy who was born from a virgin, dies and then magically comes back to life. Oh yeah, good one pal.

[pronk]

Right of course islam is a crazy religion that makes no sense. Christianity on the other hand makes perfect sense and is completely believable. A guy who was born from a virgin, dies and then magically comes back to life. Oh yeah, good one pal.

You let your mind wandering again...

http://forum.sbrforum.com/private-zone/501421-mosque-built-ground-zero-p5.html

[Bosseman22]

go Jesus!!!

[JBT]

#1 - Nobody has a clue was a "day, week, or year" really meant then. Accounting for the diffenrence of 24 hour days is impossible.

Check the correlation between the consecutive passages I posted and the context in which it was used... It says to rest on the seventh day because so did God after creating Earth and everything on it in 6 days. Unless it means you should rest for like a few hundred million years? Check mate.

And yes, we know what a day, week or year meant "then"... it's Hebrew

[JBT]

I'm very impressed that you are quoting Bertrand Russell... however... you may or may not know that he was a non-believer. Here's one of my favorite Bertrand Russell quotes:
“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” --Bertrand Russell

Rest assured he scraped that quote off of some website, just like he scraped his whole reply to me the other day...

[pronk]

Rest assured he scraped that quote off of some website, just like he scraped his whole reply to me the other day...

Hey patsie, you missed your train again
Congratulation!

[JBT]

and I ask you again, exactly where does it say Adam lived 6000 years ago ???

Sorry, but you have to do some math as the Bible does not say it directly.

It lists the entire genealogy from Adam to Jesus, so if you take the age that the Bible says Adam lived to, then add up all the the subsequent life spans in the genealogies up to the time of Christ, and finally add 2000 and a change more years to account for the time after Christ aka up to the present day, and the total should come to approximately 6000 years give or take.

Looking forward to seeing how you are going to try to negate and dismiss this one...
Prof. Pronk is welcome to give it a try too

[pronk]

This has got to be the dumbest atheist alive

[JBT]

For a group of people who supposedly dont believe, they sure seem offended every time someone dares say they believe in God. I will say deep down in their souls, they know there is something more

No Sir, you are free to believe in a higher power or whatever... we are just saying that the way the Bible describes it and the history of Earth and all living beings is a good fairytale, but that's also about all it is.

[JBT]

This has got to be the dumbest atheist alive

How so my friend?

[JBT]

It doesn't offend me at all when someone says they believe in God. However, it disturbs me that people believe such nonsense without a shred of evidence... especially when they say that others are doomed for Hell if they don't share their beliefs. I would be equally disturbed if you thought the earth was flat. There's probably a 50/50 chance that Pronk thinks the earth is flat.

Exactly how I feel. And it's the ignorance of these people when presented with pure facts, evidence and even obvious things that they can easily verify on their own if they choose to that I find hell of a disturbing... it's like even if they can see something with their own eyes, as long as the Bible claims otherwise, they will chose to believe the Bible over their own eyes and mind. They are programmed like robots and mindlessly follow the herd like a flock of sheep...

...all the way to the slaughterhouse.

[JBT]

Not one person in this thread said you are doomed to hell. In fact, you are the one who said that. In fact, ALL the name calling has been done by your side.

These guys have gambled their souls that they are right that their great great (5000X) grandfather was a fish or a frog or whatever, so they have to defend their position hard, no matter how wrong it is.

So how exactly should we interpret this quote by you a few pages back? What is going to happen to our souls based on your belief and according to the Bible?

As far as I understand, us non-believers are considered sinners and are already under the judgment of God because our sins have not been covered by the blood and torment of Christ (unless we convert before we die - no thank you). "For the wages of sin is death" - the second (spiritual) death, eternal damnation and everlasting perdition. If I recall correctly, our souls will be united with our earthly bodies and sent to the lakes of fire...

[kiln]

This thread is absurd beyond measure. There are few things quite as perverse as arguing in favor of the Christian God on a gambling website.

I mustn't be the only one who sees the inherent hypocrisy here?

[JohnGalt2341]

even if they can see something with their own eyes, as long as the Bible claims otherwise, they will chose to believe the Bible over their own eyes and mind.

I couldn't have said it better myself. And this is what disturbs me the most. It's scary really... if the Bible told them to fly a plane into a building... many of them would be asking "When does my flight leave?"