Shooting at Elementary School in Texas

[Mac4Lyfe]

Take some meds bro both sides take money from evil. How about planned parenthood lining the dems pockets to have aborted fetuses given for stem cell research. Both sides dirty bro relax

I just saw a list of who take money from the NRA and NO Dem was on the list.

Aborted fetuses for stem cell research? What? I do agree both sides are dirty but let's talk solutions to something so simple to fix. Raise the age to at least 21, ban assault rifles, have red flag laws that can temporarily deter stone cold idiots from getting a gun. This is not rocket science. This is common sense.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I am not blaming the fukking door, calm down champ.
Most schools have been locking their doors after the kids get into the school to keep people out who don't belong in there. There isn't a school in my city that you can just walk into without getting buzzed or checked in first.

Unfortunately Kermit. A deranged young man intent on killing can and will find ways to kill. He doesn't need to be buzzed in. He could wait for someone to leave and slip in the door. He could get on the playground and start shooting kids. A gunman intent on killing is very hard to stop. It's virtually impossible to stop someone with a gun. They can park in a supermarket parking lot and start gunning people down. They could take an Uber to 5th avenue and shoot up hundreds of people walking in NY. People with assault rifles can literally mow down dozens of people in a few minutes. Now, you ban AR's, can they then make pipe bombs? Probably but then we have to find a way to stop that too.

[pavyracer]

This kinda proves the point. If this church shooter had an AR15, he would have gunned down all the parishioners before they could shoot back. It looked like he had a shotgun. Imagine an AR15, dozens of people would have been killed. I have no problem with people carrying pistols but there is no logical reason why people should have assault rifles. Get rid of them now.

I did 3 years in the military. You can empty a 20 round magazine in seconds with military grade assault riffles. Even without the auto or semi-auto burst on. Then flip the taped magazine on the other side and shoot 20 more rounds. Then grab more mags from the backpack or vest pockets.

Now tell me again why a high school dropout needs to buy 2 of these guns without a background check. What does he need them for? This is a red flag. The FBI needs to investigate. The current laws that the Senate is not passing prevent this type of crime. But why they do not pass the background check law? This is not a gun restricting law. This is a law to ensure felons, mentally unfit people do not obtain guns without proper training. Will you give the keys to a dump truck to a 18 year old and let him drive through downtown in crowded streets? Then why is it OK to have a killing machine in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it properly and will use it to do harm to others?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Just read that the husband of one of the teachers has also died. Sounds like it was a heart attack. I cannot imagine the stress these families are going through.
Husband of slain teacher dies ‘of grief,’ family confirms
Family says Joe Garcia died, asked for prayers
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/26/husband-of-slain-teacher-dies-of-grief-family-confirms/

OMG - that is unreal. I cannot imagine.

[Buena Onda]

Dude you have absolutely no fukking life whatsoever.

[JIBBBY]

Must fight fire with fire. ARM UP DAMN IT!

Never know when you might need your firearm in a pinch? Better to have it in a bad situation then not. Time to be a hero i say in this day and age!

[slayer14]

well another maniac tried to do another attack yesterday

[Buena Onda]

Do you have any data that by eliminating rights/freedom that that increases safety? You do know that there are other democratic countries that have sensible gun laws and they do not have gun murders like this country. This country is the fukking wild wild west. EVERYONE has a gun and very few even know how to use them. Then half this country is fukking crazy and here we are. Let's cut to the chase. Most citizens are not mentally fit to have a gun. Many US citizens are so full of rage and hate. They hate their miserable lives, they hate that they're broke, don't have a job, thinking about suicide. They don't care about their own lives, so they don't give a fukk about your life. How do you stop someone that doesn't care about dying?

You are a dumb ass if you push open gun laws. If you have a gun, great, good. But why in the hell would you want your neighbor to have one? You do know statistically, you are 1,000 times more likely to die from a gun from someone you know or yourself instead of a stranger. Most all my neighbors have guns. Many are responsible. But I know there are some that are not as responsible and some are not all there. Some have kids that are all not there. What happens when these people snap and yes people will snap. What do you think happens then? Just look at the evening news and you will get your answer. The first 20 minutes of a 30 minute news is all about gun violence in your city. It's every damn day of the week. Why?

Dude you have no fukking life at all. Is there ANYTHING that anyone says here that you can agree with one iota? It's hilarious reading you reply to every single post you don't agree with with answers you can tell you pull right out of your ass. Reading you go postal on everyone comes off like you wrote a paper in college about gun control and are just spouting off all of the stats you cited. Even posts that you begrudgingly agree with, you still find a way to insult the poster. I can tell just by the way you talk to people that you're about 1/10 as smart as you think you are. Ironically, I just wasted three minutes of my life typing this fully aware that you are just going to turn around and call me a dumbass in ten different ways. At least I can admit that I am fallible and not a know it all little asshole like you. Get a fukking job man.

[Mac4Lyfe]

We're arguing over AR-15s and the large majority of gun murders are with hand guns.

The great majority of these school shooting are with assault rifles.

You mentioned the VaTech shooter. The only reason he was able to kill so many was because he basically locked them in the class and gunned them down like fish in a barrel. He had a semi-auto which can kill many as well. He could have threw a couple grenades in their and killed them all. There were survivors though. Had he had an AR, he would have killed countless more. Bottom line, young boys should not have access to any gun IMO. Raise the age. 25.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Don't need data, it's coomon sense. A lot of what you posted is true (the 1,000 times is not) but if you're going to eliminate the 2A because "times have changed" then no part of the Constitution is safe and you might as well rip it up and turn us into China. It's unfortunate but it's a fact: it's the price we pay for freedom.

Do you know how many people die from suicide with a gun each year? Much more than these mass shootings and gang bangers in inner cities. Every 30 seconds a military vet kills himself by a gun. Add those people who killed themselves with a gun and it is close to 1,000 times more likely that people are killed by their own gun or by someone they know.
Banning assault rifles does not eliminate the 2nd amendment. Restricting guns does not either. Raising the age limit to 21 or 25 does not as well. There's many things we can do. Very few people are saying ban all guns, although I'm almost to that point and I own several guns. This country has a HUGE gun problem. Just turn on the local news. It's all about gun violence. It's sick and twisted. How did we get here? We might need to get radical to get rid of this.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Dude you have no fukking life at all. Is there ANYTHING that anyone says here that you can agree with one iota? It's hilarious reading you reply to every single post you don't agree with with answers you can tell you pull right out of your ass. Reading you go postal on everyone comes off like you wrote a paper in college about gun control and are just spouting off all of the stats you cited. Even posts that you begrudgingly agree with, you still find a way to insult the poster. I can tell just by the way you talk to people that you're about 1/10 as smart as you think you are. Ironically, I just wasted three minutes of my life typing this fully aware that you are just going to turn around and call me a dumbass in ten different ways. At least I can admit that I am fallible and not a know it all little asshole like you. Get a fukking job man.

No fukking life and here you are posting in the same forum. Triggered?? At least you did admit that you are a dumb ass. You don't like what I post, there's an ignore button. Use it sometime. But you just said that I amuse you and it's hilarious to read my posts, so I know you'll read this too. Do I entertain you. lol

[jjgold]

Mac winning thread

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mac winning thread

JJ - you are way ahead of your time when it comes to these issues. You talked about these assault rifles years ago and here we are. You talked about Covid, vaccines and here we are. I give you shit from time to time but you sir are a man ahead of your time.

[SEAHAWKHARRY]

Do you know how many people die from suicide with a gun each year? Much more than these mass shootings and gang bangers in inner cities. Every 30 seconds a military vet kills himself by a gun. Add those people who killed themselves with a gun and it is close to 1,000 times more likely that people are killed by their own gun or by someone they know.
Banning assault rifles does not eliminate the 2nd amendment. Restricting guns does not either. Raising the age limit to 21 or 25 does not as well. There's many things we can do. Very few people are saying ban all guns, although I'm almost to that point and I own several guns. This country has a HUGE gun problem. Just turn on the local news. It's all about gun violence. It's sick and twisted. How did we get here? We might need to get radical to get rid of this.

So...you are saying A depressed Suicidal person would not kill themselves if no guns were available....I think your Triggered Far Left views are what's the problem. So if no guns are available we all would be safe.. because criminals and terrorists and crazy people tend to follow the law and not have a gun....ridiculous. I believe we should have the Right to Bear Arms in this Country and we should provide better security at our schools as we do at Sporting Events and Political Events and Award Ceremonies. The Problem here is the morals of our World and country are eroding this shit wasn't happening back in the 70s/80s the Internet comes along and makes everything right now instant gross ugly sex violence in your face and our youth have become numb to the idea of Death and violence its just a Startover in their minds

[Mac4Lyfe]

So...you are saying A depressed Suicidal person would not kill themselves if no guns were available....I think your Triggered Far Left views are what's the problem. So if no guns are available we all would be safe.. because criminals and terrorists and crazy people tend to follow the law and not have a gun....ridiculous. I believe we should have the Right to Bear Arms in this Country and we should provide better security at our schools as we do at Sporting Events and Political Events and Award Ceremonies. The Problem here is the morals of our World and country are eroding this shit wasn't happening back in the 70s/80s the Internet comes along and makes everything right now instant gross ugly sex violence in your face and our youth have become numb to the idea of Death and violence its just a Startover in their minds

I didn't say that a suicidal person would not kill themselves if they didn't have a gun? I don't know but tens of thousands of them are dying and their choice is by gun. Maybe they take pills, and it doesn't kill them but it turns their life around. I can only go by numbers and the great amount of people dying by guns are at their own hands by suicide. The next most are people dying by people they know with a gun. What's the answer? You said I have the right to bear arms? Do I have the right to carry bombs on my person? How about drive around the city in a tank? Should I be able to have ground to air missiles? Should I be able to make chemical weapons in my basement or a nuclear dirty bomb? How about a panzer or prop a 50 caliber machine gun atop my house? Where do you draw the line on weapons? I too believe in the right to bear arms but I do not believe our forefathers intended us to bear these killing machines. They were dealing with a musket that you had to load gun power after each shot?

[Chi_archie]

The Problem here is the morals of our World and country are eroding this shit wasn't happening back in the 70s/80s the Internet comes along and makes everything right now instant gross ugly sex violence in your face and our youth have become numb to the idea of Death and violence its just a Startover in their minds

It would be interesting to look back more closely because there were definitely way more murders in the 80s and 90s. They came down in the 2000's mostly and then in the past couple years been slowing increasing.

but it appears that mass murders/spree shootings are up. but I don't actually have the stats on that.

so I'm not sure its a morals thing.

maybe more a copy cat thing. And didn't access to certain types of guns have a major law change around 2002-2005ish?

e homicide rate doubled from the early 1960s to the late1970s, increasing from 4.6 per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1962to 9.7 per 100,000 by 1979 ( gure 1). (See Methodology forinformation on rate calculations.) In 1980 the rate peaked at 10.2 per 100,000 and subsequently fellto 7.9 per 100,000 in 1984. e rate rose again in the late 1980s and early 1990s to anotherpeak in 1991 of 9.8 per 100,000. e homicide rate declined sharply from 9.3 homicides per100,000 in 1992 to 4.8 homicides per 100,000 in 2010.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Mac4Lyfe]

.I think your Triggered Far Left views are what's the problem.

What far left triggered view have I proposed Harry? I'm curious what do you have a problem with?

[GT21Megatron]

The problem is we as parents are raising mental midgets who don’t know how to deal with shit when it doesn’t go there way. Life is hard. It’s not easy. Kids nowadays have no clue how to deal with shit because they hide behind computers and social media and play online instead of talking to people. It’s insane to me what social media has done to our country. There was a second grade girl where I live who was doing a god damn tik-tok and hanging from a portable fireplace outside and then thing fell over and crushed her killing her. She was 9. It makes me sick to think this mental midget was posting shit online while he was doing all this. Until we become better parents and more involved with our kids this will keep happening. We have to teach kids how to deal with things when the going gets tough. Instead we label it “Mental Health”. Fuk outta here with that. Simone Biles has a hard time at the Olympics and quits because she couldn’t handle the pressure and gets Time Magazine Athelete of the year. She quit!!! Osaka I’m tennis the same way. That’s the new word for these kids not being able to deal with kids making fun of them or any inch of adversity. Makes me sick. Until we change this and our kids mindsets this is unfortunately going to continue to happen.

[BeatTheJerk]

The problem is we as parents are raising mental midgets who don’t know how to deal with shit when it doesn’t go there way. Life is hard. It’s not easy. Kids nowadays have no clue how to deal with shit because they hide behind computers and social media and play online instead of talking to people. It’s insane to me what social media has done to our country. There was a second grade girl where I live who was doing a god damn tik-tok and hanging from a portable fireplace outside and then thing fell over and crushed her killing her. She was 9. It makes me sick to think this mental midget was posting shit online while he was doing all this. Until we become better parents and more involved with our kids this will keep happening. We have to teach kids how to deal with things when the going gets tough. Instead we label it “Mental Health”. Fuk outta here with that. Simone Biles has a hard time at the Olympics and quits because she couldn’t handle the pressure and gets Time Magazine Athelete of the year. She quit!!! Osaka I’m tennis the same way. That’s the new word for these kids not being able to deal with kids making fun of them or any inch of adversity. Makes me sick. Until we change this and our kids mindsets this is unfortunately going to continue to happen.

Amen brother.

[guitarjosh]

If there was a law in place that wouldn't allow an 18 year old that never owned guns before to buy 2 military grade assault weapons with no background checks this wouldn't have happened.

Quit blaming the school door. The school door didn't cause this tragedy.

Would it make you happy if he used a hand gun to kill those children the way the guy at Virginia Tech did?

[guitarjosh]

This is so foul.

People have been killing each other since the beginning of time but WHEN THE FUKK have you seen 1 person wipe out dozens of little kids in a few minutes? Their bodies so mutilated that their own parents could not identify them because even their c a foelothes and shoes were so shot up they were unrecognizable. FUKK YOU for even trying to compare a fukking rock with these death machines. Our forefathers never, ever imagined one person could inflict so much damage. Our forefathers had muskets and were looking to defend themselves and their country against a foe across the Atlantic. Never did they imagine that their own people would be gunning down other citizens.

You could own all the firepower you need to blow up multiple buildings back in 1791.

[guitarjosh]

Unfortunately, these gunmen are only killing soft target little children. If they were gunning down congressmen and women, they would pass something immediately.

You mean like what happened in 2017 to the GOP baseball practice?

[guitarjosh]

Stop this bullshit take. If Chicago was on an island, I'd buy what you're pedaling but guns are easily brought into the city from neighboring states.

Plus, take away gang bangers killing each other and Chicago is one of the safest cities in the country. The crime that takes place in Chicago is concentrated in just a few areas. There's 2 sides of Chicago. One is the incredible city, awesome food, sports, shopping, outdoors and there's the handful of neighborhoods plagued by poverty, drugs and crime. All you've seen and heard are the few bad spots. Chicago's murder rate is much lower than most other cities. Chicago is way down on the list. Trying to equate sensible gun laws to Chicago is absolutely stupid. Stop it.

Conde Naste Traveler has voted Chicago “Best Big City in the U.S.” two years in a row

Yeah, the problem is that those neighboring states don't have the homicide problems found in Chicago.

[guitarjosh]

This kinda proves the point. If this church shooter had an AR15, he would have gunned down all the parishioners before they could shoot back. It looked like he had a shotgun. Imagine an AR15, dozens of people would have been killed. I have no problem with people carrying pistols but there is no logical reason why people should have assault rifles. Get rid of them now.

Most mass shootings are due to handguns, not rifles.

[Thor4140]

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[JayLA]

The problem is we as parents are raising mental midgets who don’t know how to deal with shit when it doesn’t go there way. Life is hard. It’s not easy. Kids nowadays have no clue how to deal with shit because they hide behind computers and social media and play online instead of talking to people. It’s insane to me what social media has done to our country. There was a second grade girl where I live who was doing a god damn tik-tok and hanging from a portable fireplace outside and then thing fell over and crushed her killing her. She was 9. It makes me sick to think this mental midget was posting shit online while he was doing all this. Until we become better parents and more involved with our kids this will keep happening. We have to teach kids how to deal with things when the going gets tough. Instead we label it “Mental Health”. Fuk outta here with that. Simone Biles has a hard time at the Olympics and quits because she couldn’t handle the pressure and gets Time Magazine Athelete of the year. She quit!!! Osaka I’m tennis the same way. That’s the new word for these kids not being able to deal with kids making fun of them or any inch of adversity. Makes me sick. Until we change this and our kids mindsets this is unfortunately going to continue to happen.

I agree with you mostly. I said something similar a few pages back...
I just think the US is worse in this regard....there are more mental midgets in US society. You bring up Naomi Osaka, great point. Do tennis stars from other countries bitch and moan like she does? Na, they have bigger fish to fry. They have communities that support them...they don't feel like they're stranded on an island. Social media in other countries isn't as strong of an influence because parents outside of the US have more say in children's lives. Children run the show in the US and do whatever the fk they want....you can't even smack a child in the US lol....and then we wonder why these American kids buy guns and shoot up schools. They're isolated mental midgets who don't even respect their parents.

[JIBBBY]

Need better mental health checks and I'm in favor of restricting gun laws further to those with shady histories or mad violent rambles on social media. 21 and older sounds good to me also just like alcohol sales and gun sales. That's as far as I'd tweak the 2nd amendment though.

Bottom line is you need to beef up security in schools and soft targets in society because guns are never going away in America. That's the only way to help stop mass shootings and limit people getting shot.

My two cents on this subject!

[pavyracer]

Would it make you happy if he used a hand gun to kill those children the way the guy at Virginia Tech did?

A hand gun is something you can conceal and carry for personal protection. Everyone should have the right to purchase for themselves as long as they pass the background checks. This priviledge should not be infringed. Same with shotguns or single bolt rifles used for hunting.

An 18 year old should not be able to purchase military grade assault weapons especially without background checks.

You buy a handgun for personal protection, a shotgun to shoot ducks, a single bolt rifle to shoot deer. What in the fukk will you use a military grade assault weapon that is designed for military combat to win wars? Every gun used must have a purpose for civilians.

Name one situation that a military grade assault weapon is a better choice for concealed personal protection or hunting.

[The Kraken]

You mean like what happened in 2017 to the GOP baseball practice?

lol

A single senator was shot and survived with pretty much no deficits

Had 21 Senators been killed that day, well, Im sure things wouldve been different

Ridiculous example for you to use imo

[guitarjosh]

A hand gun is something you can conceal and carry for personal protection. Everyone should have the right to purchase for themselves as long as they pass the background checks. This priviledge should not be infringed. Same with shotguns or single bolt rifles used for hunting.

An 18 year old should not be able to purchase military grade assault weapons especially without background checks.

You buy a handgun for personal protection, a shotgun to shoot ducks, a single bolt rifle to shoot deer. What in the fukk will you use a military grade assault weapon that is designed for military combat to win wars? Every gun used must have a purpose for civilians.

Name one situation that a military grade assault weapon is a better choice for concealed personal protection or hunting.

First of all it's not a military grade assault weapon, not 1 single military issues AR-15. They do issue guns chambered in those rounds, but those are some of the smallest rounds available.

There's no difference between a pump action 12 gauge that our military issues and one you can buy at your local gun store, same with the 9mm pistols our Navy SEALs carry and a sniper rifle that civilians call hunting rifles. Those are military grade designed for military combat.

An Ar-15 is the best weapon available for home defense. It has a small round that is less likely to over penetrate walls. Shotguns are fine if you're big enough to handle one (not everyone is) and are alone a lot, but it is the last one I would use for home defense if other people are around. It is so loud it could easily cause permanent hearing damage to anyone not wearing hearing protection, and if someone you're trying to shoot is standing near someone you're trying to not shoot, you don't want to use a shotgun. Handguns don't have the stopping power of a rifle or shotgun, and not everyone can handle a handgun. My elderly mom's hands are so weak I need to go over and open her cat's box of kitty litter, unscrew the top of her shampoo bottles, etc. Her hands are to weak and arthritic to handle a handgun, but put the butt of an AR-15 under her arm and fire 40 grain BTHP at someone and she'll be much safer.

[guitarjosh]

lol

A single senator was shot and survived with pretty much no deficits

Had 21 Senators been killed that day, well, Im sure things wouldve been different

Ridiculous example for you to use imo

They were taking fire from a deranged democrat firing an AK-47. The House Majority Whip was in the hospital for months. I'm sure it just wasn't traumatic enough.

[Kermit]

I did 3 years in the military. You can empty a 20 round magazine in seconds with military grade assault riffles. Even without the auto or semi-auto burst on. Then flip the taped magazine on the other side and shoot 20 more rounds. Then grab more mags from the backpack or vest pockets.

Now tell me again why a high school dropout needs to buy 2 of these guns without a background check. What does he need them for? This is a red flag. The FBI needs to investigate. The current laws that the Senate is not passing prevent this type of crime. But why they do not pass the background check law? This is not a gun restricting law. This is a law to ensure felons, mentally unfit people do not obtain guns without proper training. Will you give the keys to a dump truck to a 18 year old and let him drive through downtown in crowded streets? Then why is it OK to have a killing machine in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it properly and will use it to do harm to others?

It's easier to spot and be very concerned when a weird looking guy is walking near a school carrying a black AR-15 than it is that same weirdo who has 4 handguns and numerous magazines concealed on their person.

[Kermit]

The great majority of these school shooting are with assault rifles.

You mentioned the VaTech shooter. The only reason he was able to kill so many was because he basically locked them in the class and gunned them down like fish in a barrel. He had a semi-auto which can kill many as well. He could have threw a couple grenades in their and killed them all. There were survivors though. Had he had an AR, he would have killed countless more. Bottom line, young boys should not have access to any gun IMO. Raise the age. 25.

That is only because the media made the AR-15 the sexy weapon of choice. It much much easier to walk around with numerous handguns concealed on your person than it is an AR-15. And you can deal some serious damage in a room full of people with twin Glocks.

Hopefully these new age emo retards don't pick up on this.

There have been numerous kids that have been recently busted with AR-15s in their vehicles(or homes) that may or may not have been planning on pulling another school shooting, but red flags led to them.

[Kermit]

A hand gun is something you can conceal and carry for personal protection. Everyone should have the right to purchase for themselves as long as they pass the background checks. This priviledge should not be infringed. Same with shotguns or single bolt rifles used for hunting.

An 18 year old should not be able to purchase military grade assault weapons especially without background checks.

You buy a handgun for personal protection, a shotgun to shoot ducks, a single bolt rifle to shoot deer. What in the fukk will you use a military grade assault weapon that is designed for military combat to win wars? Every gun used must have a purpose for civilians.

Name one situation that a military grade assault weapon is a better choice for concealed personal protection or hunting.

How many murders in Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore are committed with AR-15s every year?

I bet the numbers are in the 1% or less range.


It's easier to walk up and kill someone with a 9mm Ruger than it is with an AR-15.

[The Kraken]

They were taking fire from a deranged democrat firing an AK-47. The House Majority Whip was in the hospital for months. I'm sure it just wasn't traumatic enough.

Im sure it was just as traumatic as if 21 GOP senators had been murdered