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  • brainfreeze
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    #2346
    From historical evidence, today’s scholars know that Beethoven did not attend Mass regularly, and from that they inferred that he was not an orthodox Christian. His actual religious beliefs are not clearly defined, but references in his letters imply a firm belief in an ultimate, benign, and intelligent Power.

    As early as 1818, Beethoven showed genuine interest in "true church music", which to him was defined by the musical styles of the earliest composers of religious music, like Palestrina. He wrote notes to himself to look through all the monastic church chorals and strophes in the most correct translations and to find perfect prosody in psalms and hymns. At the same time, he became fascinated with the texts of the Mass, perhaps drawing less conventional interpretations from the words, which he meant to represent in a Mass of his own composition. As he explored church music with increasing enthusiasm, he located sources of information, through books or people, in musical or philosophical contexts, to contribute to his quest.


    Galileo
    Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, he saw his system as concerning the issue of how the Bible should be interpreted.[Sources:] Annibale Fantoli, Galileo: For Copernicanism and for the Church (1994), M. Sharratt, Galileo (1994), M. A. Finnochiaro, The Galileo Affair: A Documentary History (1989)
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    • brainfreeze
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      #2347
      Luke 15:1-10 (KJV)

      15 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
      2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
      3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
      4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
      5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
      6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
      7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
      8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
      9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
      10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
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      • brainfreeze
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        #2348
        Marble slab with Hebrew inscription discovered east of Sea of Galilee
        1,600-year-old stone may have been part of an ancient synagogue
        Researchers said it confirms the location of a Jewish settlement at Kursi
        Experts think it marks the Land of the Gederenes, where Jesus exorcised a man, casting demons among a swine herd, as told in the New Testament


        The findings led the archaeologists to study the Bible and look for similar sites mentioned in the book.


        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz3v0P4H500

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        • brainfreeze
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          #2349
          Romans 5:8

          8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

          I love you all as I know YAH does, Christ be with you, God bless

          Merry Christmas
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          • bobbywaves
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            • 05-06-08
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            #2350
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            • Snowball
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              #2351
              If someone tells you that December 25th was "chosen" as the day we celebrate the Incarnation
              because Emperor Constantine ordered that Christianity replace the pagan gods of Rome, don't
              believe them just because you don't know any better ! Read this instead:
              December 25: no connection with Tammuz, Saturnalia, Sol Invictus & Mithras


              and watch this video which uses astronomical software to confirm what the Magi saw in the sky
              which made them go to Bethlehem and welcome the KING on December 25th.
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              • Mr KLC
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                #2352
                Remember everyone. The number of our new year is based on how long ago Christ was born. Not Allah. Not the big bang, but Christ. Happy New Year guys!
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                • pimike
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                  #2353
                  Originally posted by Mr KLC
                  Remember everyone. The number of our new year is based on how long ago Christ was born. Not Allah. Not the big bang, but Christ. Happy New Year guys!
                  Amen!!!



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                  • trobin31
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                    #2354
                    The entire year is based on the Julian calendar which each month is named after pagan gods. The number of the years was arbitrarily given after Christianity was adopted by Roman Empire so wtf are you talking about?
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                    • Mr KLC
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                      #2355
                      Some of you kids make this so much harder than you have to.
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                      • brainfreeze
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                        #2356
                        Been 2016 years since He shed His precious blood for wretches, like us.
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                        • trobin31
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                          #2357
                          Its just death. It's okay guys, just embrace it. The more you run from it the more scared you become the more you believe in mythological deities in hopes of extending your life. Truth is, this is it. Last chance to do anything is this life. Then you decompose, eventually, if you are lucky the sun will explode and cause the contents of the planet including your remains to be thrown into space, maybe your hydrogen atoms will make it to a nebula that creates another star system and possibly another life. The odds of that happening are much better than your dead & decomposed containing a soul that will someday meet "the Man" beyond the pearly gates.
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                          • brainfreeze
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                            #2358
                            Originally posted by trobin31
                            Its just death. It's okay guys, just embrace it. The more you run from it the more scared you become the more you believe in mythological deities in hopes of extending your life. Truth is, this is it. Last chance to do anything is this life. Then you decompose, eventually, if you are lucky the sun will explode and cause the contents of the planet including your remains to be thrown into space, maybe your hydrogen atoms will make it to a nebula that creates another star system and possibly another life. The odds of that happening are much better than your dead & decomposed containing a soul that will someday meet "the Man" beyond the pearly gates.
                            You want to live a artificial life beyond your skin without God for the moment... Possible,
                            In the future, transhumanist technology and science will compliment the LGBT movement and help push it forward in the face of continued social oppression and closed-mindedness.


                            There's a party of them willing to try... I wouldn't recommend but it won't take another galaxy for the possibilities to present itself. It's a lie, by the way..
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                            • bobbywaves
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                              #2359
                              Originally posted by trobin31
                              the odds of that happening are much better than your dead & decomposed containing a soul that will someday meet "the Man" beyond the pearly gates.
                              Give me some soul odds please, I'll wager 82k betpoints on it.

                              Not sure how you can cover my bet though, with your measly 1,300.
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                              • Snowball
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                                #2360
                                Originally posted by trobin31
                                Its just death. It's okay guys, just embrace it. The more you run from it the more scared you become the more you believe in mythological deities in hopes of extending your life. Truth is, this is it. Last chance to do anything is this life. Then you decompose, eventually, if you are lucky the sun will explode and cause the contents of the planet including your remains to be thrown into space, maybe your hydrogen atoms will make it to a nebula that creates another star system and possibly another life. The odds of that happening are much better than your dead & decomposed containing a soul that will someday meet "the Man" beyond the pearly gates.
                                we don't WANT to live here. This place is corrupted.
                                we are but travelers on a journey.
                                we know we don't possess these bodies.
                                why should we care if they rot ?
                                yet at the restoration of all things, ALL shall be made whole again,
                                and you will stand before God for judgement.

                                This world is all the hell that a true Christian is to ever endure, and it is all the heaven that unbelievers shall ever enjoy.

                                ~ Jonathan Edwards
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                                • trobin31
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                                  #2361
                                  Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                  Give me some soul odds please, I'll wager 82k betpoints on it.

                                  Not sure how you can cover my bet though, with your measly 1,300.
                                  Well since we already KNOW that stars and thus life is created from the dust of nebulae, since we KNOW organic molecules can be created spontaneously in primordial soup, since we KNOW humans and all life evolved with nearly identical genetic codes which synthesize the SAME amino acids, proteins and cellular functions which make ALL us living entities essentially related. There is not ONE philosophical tenant that holds regarding the existence of a soul seperate from the body. You just believe and believe and say you will be proven correct in death. I have a tropical island in antarctica to sell you since you guys as well. Meanwhile I CAN PROVE every aspect of my statements in a lab, telescope & mathematics. Meanwhile you ask me to DISPROVE something that does not exist. A soul. Why don't you just ask me to bet on WHETHER THE FORCE from star wars is real or "God" helped a player win the game.

                                  The funny thing is every bit of my statement has already been confirmed. But you will never transfer those points bc even with all those hours of prayer you still don't understand the concept of ethics. I don't use betpoints either. I just pay the money for pro to support the site. Not that I don't like a sure bet. I'll give you +infinity idds. imagine how many Starbucks lattes and pizza u could purchase when you are dead and proven right. Lol
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                                  • trobin31
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                                    #2362
                                    Originally posted by Snowball
                                    we don't WANT to live here. This place is corrupted.
                                    we are but travelers on a journey.
                                    we know we don't possess these bodies.
                                    why should we care if they rot ?
                                    yet at the restoration of all things, ALL shall be made whole again,
                                    and you will stand before God for judgement.

                                    This world is all the hell that a true Christian is to ever endure, and it is all the heaven that unbelievers shall ever enjoy.

                                    What place is corrupted? Earth? United states? Alabama? Just your place?

                                    Where are you traveling? Heaven... Nope the graveyard, unless you get a viking funeral.

                                    Don't possess this body? Try stabbing yourself in the arm and tell me If you possess the pain.

                                    You should not care if anyone rots I agree. Just let us live in peace without your make-believe 77 virgins bs or whatever you think is waiting for you in your grave.

                                    Is this the same restoration that killed off the dinosaurs and allowed mammals to evolve into creatures who believe a guy with a mullet, beard and sandals 2 thousand years dead is gonna part the sky and make it rain(Pac man style).

                                    So if i go before "god" in judgement am I allowed an attorney? Can he be jewish? Only good lawyer I've known was jewish? Does God have religious preference?

                                    One serious question maybe u could answer. So you once u die, go to heaven or hell or whatever, what do you do for like infinite amount of time? Can u still gamble or go on sbr? That would be eternal bliss....
                                    Last edited by trobin31; 01-04-16, 12:23 AM.
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                                    • brainfreeze
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                                      #2363
                                      http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

                                      "Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary.
                                      Variation (microevolution) is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool and adaptive mechanisms of finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. What evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.
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                                      • brainfreeze
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                                        #2364
                                        Originally posted by trobin31
                                        What place is corrupted? Earth? United states? Alabama? Just your place?

                                        Where are you traveling? Heaven... Nope the graveyard, unless you get a viking funeral.

                                        Don't possess this body? Try stabbing yourself in the arm and tell me If you possess the pain.

                                        You should not care if anyone rots I agree. Just let us live in peace without your make-believe 77 virgins bs or whatever you think is waiting for you in your grave.

                                        Is this the same restoration that killed off the dinosaurs and allowed mammals to evolve into creatures who believe a guy with a mullet, beard and sandals 2 thousand years dead is gonna part the sky and make it rain(Pac man style).

                                        So if i go before "god" in judgement am I allowed an attorney? Can he be jewish? Only good lawyer I've known was jewish? Does God have religious preference?

                                        One serious question maybe u could answer. So you once u die, go to heaven or hell or whatever, what do you do for like infinite amount of time? Can u still gamble or go on sbr? That would be eternal bliss....
                                        Revelation 19:9

                                        9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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                                        • trobin31
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                                          #2365
                                          Brainfreeze. I have a degree in biochemistry. You cannot win this. You can cut and paste whatever you want to make it seem like you have even an ounce of knowledge in the subject bit I guarantee none of it will be from an actual legit science journal. Unlike your cut and paste job from some random wackos PowerPoint presentation. But, it doesnt nake any of it true. I'll entrtain your post with a response for your education own though.

                                          It is actually quite easy for the genetic code to be manipulated. This is basic, lower level college stuff here. How do you think insulin is made? A gene is inserted into a bacteria, boom, you have a new bacteria that makes insulin for diabetics. What do you think cancer is? Cancer is simply the the addition or subtraction of genes needed to control the cell cycle. Hiv inserts itself into DNA to alter the genetic code. You just literally watched within your own lifetime the evolution of virus like hiv and avian flu emerge from previously different species of virus. That is evolution. Why do you ppl feel like you have to distort the facts to prove you get to go to heaven. It doesn't make any sense. Ask yourself, why do I do this?
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                                          • brainfreeze
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                                            #2366
                                            Originally posted by trobin31
                                            Brainfreeze. I have a degree in biochemistry. You cannot win this. You can cut and paste whatever you want to make it seem like you have even an ounce of knowledge in the subject bit I guarantee none of it will be from an actual legit science journal. Unlike your cut and paste job from some random wackos PowerPoint presentation. But, it doesnt nake any of it true. I'll entrtain your post with a response for your education own though.

                                            It is actually quite easy for the genetic code to be manipulated. This is basic, lower level college stuff here. How do you think insulin is made? A gene is inserted into a bacteria, boom, you have a new bacteria that makes insulin for diabetics. What do you think cancer is? Cancer is simply the the addition or subtraction of genes needed to control the cell cycle. Hiv inserts itself into DNA to alter the genetic code. You just literally watched within your own lifetime the evolution of virus like hiv and avian flu emerge from previously different species of virus. That is evolution. Why do you ppl feel like you have to distort the facts to prove you get to go to heaven. It doesn't make any sense. Ask yourself, why do I do this?
                                            If neccesary I would bring in someone to argue the contrary, I don't feel that's necessary, would just refer you to the Ham vs Nye debate. Then again, Kent Hovind is home now, you can banter on with him. People have already seen for themselves fish fossils from " 300 million years ago or so you guys say " and seen the same fishes fossil today, that are the same, no premitive fish stuff. Just because you can prove a mutation " or alter the genetic code " means nothing, we agree with micro " evolving ". We are talking ape to man, show me a ape/man baby through natural process ...then we can talk, show me anything of the crazy claims that man arrived from ape, o forgot you can't that " species " died off.. Guess we have to take your word.. Nah, I'll take Gods word, and his process of creation in scripture.

                                            20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
                                            Last edited by brainfreeze; 01-04-16, 01:50 AM.
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                                            • brainfreeze
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                                              #2367
                                              God created all the animals, then man & woman, then gave them domain over all.

                                              26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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                                              • brainfreeze
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                                                #2368
                                                Originally posted by Snowball
                                                we don't WANT to live here. This place is corrupted.
                                                we are but travelers on a journey.
                                                we know we don't possess these bodies.
                                                why should we care if they rot ?
                                                yet at the restoration of all things, ALL shall be made whole again,
                                                and you will stand before God for judgement.

                                                This world is all the hell that a true Christian is to ever endure, and it is all the heaven that unbelievers shall ever enjoy.

                                                ~ Jonathan Edwards
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                                                • xdodger19
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                                                  • 11-20-12
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                                                  #2369
                                                  What a liar; spontaneous generation is impossible
                                                  Atheists believe in spontaneous generation, that chemicals assemble themselves into something alive by natural processes of nature
                                                  This is just a lie, or a just so story
                                                  And evolution does not exist. Its impossible. Life just reproduces after its own kind like the Bible says. There are limits, genetic boundaries. Atheists deny basic biology and genetics.
                                                  The way an atheist reasons is they start first with their opinion that they don't like what they label religion.
                                                  Then atheists make up a naturalistic story to account for the fact that lie exists.
                                                  The truth is, these atheists don't really care if their stories are true or not. Atheists think life is a joke, and don't take anything seriously, they just throw out stories.
                                                  Most atheists label things instead of thinking. Atheists will think is this a religious claim or a naturalistic claim.
                                                  They don't think in terms of is this true or false. They think in terms of is this religion or not. So atheists pretend
                                                  to be having a religion vs science discussion. Most atheists think in simplistic constructs or narratives.
                                                  In a naturalistic worldview there is no such thing as morals or ethics. There can be no concept of right and wrong.
                                                  It would simply be subjective opinion.
                                                  Anyways this poster just lied by claiming to have knowledge that spontaneous generation is impossible
                                                  Atheists have to lie to defend there claims. The fact that it is not possible is in perfect accord with the Bible.
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                                                  • trobin31
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                                                    #2370
                                                    Do you even know what spontaneous generation is? It's the idea that certain organism simply arise from nothing, like fleas from dust etc. I haven't stated anything of the sort. What I said was organic molecules can be created from the same elements which were present on the primordial earth. This has been known since the fukkin 1950s for christ sake. It's not even up for debate. It is fact. We are able to synthesize organic molecules, DNA molecules and amino acids in lab man. You cannot debate this unless you are completely ignorant in science, which I am supposing you are.

                                                    I will attach several articles from renown scientific journals describing exactly what I've told you. But you won't read them bc
                                                    a) you probably won't understand any of it
                                                    b) you get all your facts from a bible written by someone you never even knew their name.

                                                    This is insanity. I give up. You win. I solemnly swear the universe was created in 6 days approx 6 thousand years ago although dinosaurs, half life decay of radioactive elements shows the earth to be billions of years old. Light from galaxies millions of light years away just now reaching us must only be thousands of years old even though the speed of light won't allow it to travel any faster than... well... the speed of light. Does any of this make sense to you? Probably not. Just go read the bible and it will all be better. You will forget all the facts I layed out to you.

                                                    Hill HG, Nuth JA (2003). "The catalytic potential of cosmic dust: implications for prebiotic chemistry in the solar nebula and other protoplanetary systems".*Astrobiology

                                                    Miller, Stanley L.; Harold C. Urey (1959). "Organic Compound Synthesis on the Primitive Earth".*Science*130*(3370): 245–51

                                                    Oró J, Kamat SS (April 1961). "Amino-acid synthesis from hydrogen cyanide under possible primitive earth conditions".*Nature190*(4774): 442–3.

                                                    Wilde, Kenneth A.; Zwolinski, Bruno J.; Parlin, Ransom B. (July 1953).*"The Reaction Occurring in CO2,*2O Mixtures in a High-Frequency Electric Arc".*Science*118*(3054): 43–44.

                                                    Raulin, F; Bossard, A (1984). "Organic syntheses in gas phase and chemical evolution in planetary atmospheres.".Advances in Sspace Research*4*(12): 75–82.

                                                    Brooks D.J., Fresco J.R., Lesk A.M. & Singh M. (October 1, 2002).*"Evolution of amino acid frequencies in proteins over deep time: inferred order of introduction of amino acids into the genetic code".*Molecular Biology and Evolution*19*(10): 1645–55.
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                                                    • Snowball
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                                                      #2371
                                                      Originally posted by trobin31
                                                      Try stabbing yourself in the arm and tell me If you possess the pain.
                                                      The pain is only the flesh complaining to the brain that it is damaged.
                                                      Matthew 10:28:
                                                      Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

                                                      Originally posted by trobin31
                                                      One serious question maybe u could answer. So you once u die, go to heaven or hell or whatever, what do you do for like infinite amount of time? Can u still gamble or go on sbr? That would be eternal bliss....
                                                      I'm glad you're interested. Here, watch these videos someday. Salut.
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                                                      • trobin31
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                                                        #2372
                                                        Originally posted by Snowball
                                                        The pain is only the flesh complaining to the brain that it is damaged.
                                                        Matthew 10:28:
                                                        Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



                                                        I'm glad you're interested. Here, watch these videos someday. Salut.
                                                        https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...e+to+heaven%22
                                                        You guys are making this wayyy to easy.

                                                        Pain is nothing more than the body complaining to the brain. Hmm, let's think about this for a second because pain is actually a really important neurologic fx which EVOLVED as a way to allow us to protect our bodies. Without pain you wouldn't know to remove your hand from the hot stove or your boyfriend to scream out when you are being to rough with his pooter. Pain is caused by the release of neurotransmitters like substance p which bind to mu receptors, this signal is either transmitted directly to reflex synapses, which is why you jerk your hand off the stove without thinking about it, or goes to the brain for processing and storing for future memory and thus avoidance of danger, which allows us to SURVIVE. you know which animals don't have a nervous system. The most primitive animals...sponges. thats bc the nervous sytem evolved like every other bodily function. You see neurons which transmit signals to the brain like pain allow survival and thus are yet another example of evolution.

                                                        While we are at it let's talk about the most important part of the nervous system, the brain. What do you think you will do in this so called heaven without your brain. Your brain contains everything which makes you who you are. It's strange that you consider yourself seperate from your body, but, would you include your brain in this? I already know your are missing a lot up there but really, how much do you think you will enjoy heaven without your neurons electrochemical activity to give you these ignorant thoughts of yours? And how will your brain survive without blood being pumped from your heart to provide oxygen to your brain. How exactly do you THINK once your heart stops. This is the part when you say god says your soul will live on. God the almighty sith lord will use the force to release your inner force ghost. But This is the part when you come up with a bible scripture saying that hidden organ inside your body called a soul will fly out of you and into heaven. Well I've read Plato and Aristotle and neither of them can construct a viable argument regarding the existence of the soul. Although they did manage to convince western thought for 2 millenia the soul existed. Which was very convenient for Christian and Muslim rule. Well my friends, the allegory of the cave does not hold up. Philosophers have proven this incontrivertibly. Once the body dies, you are gone. Own that shit and you will live happier.
                                                        I see alot of people die in my work. Always strikes me the different ways people and family deal with it when close to death. Always Ultra religious people who are exaggeratingly afraid of death, who wish to continue torturing their loved ones with the oain of living on mechanical ventilation, starving to breath, suffering in pain. contrary to your idea about longing to leave this corrupt world. Why do you think this is the case people who think they will be going to a better place are the ones the most afraid? Not saying all you guys are in this boat, but definitely not in the majority.
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                                                        • KVB
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                                                          • 05-29-14
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                                                          #2373
                                                          trobin, by your writings, I don't think you understood some of Plato's works…particularly the Allegory of the Cave. Perhaps you’re still staring at shadows on the wall.

                                                          But no matter, perhaps you'd be up for a potentially life changing challenge…
                                                          Originally posted by KVB
                                                          …When I use the term juvenile discussion, I often use it to frame the discussion that pits science against God.

                                                          Faith and obedience to the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament is not a have it your way type of thing. There are rules to faith. One, obviously, is the requirement of faith.

                                                          While some posters want to argue the history of the Old Testament and some don’t want to follow the New Testament, most can agree the wisdom literature has its value. Some of this wisdom is ancient, and when you read it, and its sources, you start to realize even though times and knowledge have both changed, people, and the way they operate, stays very much the same.

                                                          The wisdom literature, of course, also addresses God. In it we have what could be considered a rule, or at least some guidance to faith. In chapter 3 of Proverbs it says to “trust in the Lord with all your heart, do not lean on your own understanding.”

                                                          Brainfreeze and others have encouraged all of you to read the scripture and consider following it. Could some of you “try faith?” What I mean is could some of you “logical thinkers” who consider God and the Bible “debunked” actually, meaningfully, seek God? Could you delve into scripture and the Bible, openly consider things like trusting the Lord and setting aside your own understanding? Ask yourselves, could you? I suppose for many that can be a life changing question.

                                                          And for those who truly lay down the hate and name calling nonsense that couldn’t imagine being capable of enduring such a challenge let’s consider this. Somewhere, some person waits on an operating table for a lifesaving surgery. This person waits because the surgeon, who’s relied on techniques and knowledge, gained from things like the theory of evolution, for every step from diagnoses to even the surgical procedure has to pause.

                                                          The surgeon, who’s completed a medical school in which many main principles are based on things like the theory of evolution, among other theories, has to pause because before every surgery the surgeon prays to his Lord and Savior.

                                                          That is very realistic scenario and should offer at least something to think about when it comes to what we know, and what we don’t know about the capability of people and spirituality…
                                                          Happy New Year GOD thread.

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                                                          • Snowball
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                                                            #2374
                                                            trobin31 there are medical doctors who believe in heaven
                                                            because of NDE's. I won a book that is getting a lot of
                                                            good reviews called "Imagine Heaven", but I haven't read it
                                                            yet. I guess you're not going to watch those videos I posted.
                                                            I also see nothing in your post that refutes my description
                                                            of pain that it is the body complaining. The body is part of
                                                            the earth. Plants complain when they are damaged. There
                                                            has been research on that subject. There is so much we
                                                            don't understand. Are you totally unopen to life after death ?
                                                            Why equate it and seek to verify it by this world's standards,
                                                            since you have dismissed all miracles as poppycock ?
                                                            Re: the people who are sad that you see when relatives die
                                                            well of course, but that's not necessarily fear for the loved one
                                                            it is fear of loss. Every transition is a birth pang.
                                                            Last edited by Snowball; 01-04-16, 06:34 PM.
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                                                            • pimike
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                                                              #2375
                                                              Originally posted by Snowball
                                                              The body is part of
                                                              the earth.
                                                              Snowy,

                                                              I love your handicapping skills but you gambling on this and life after death is a losing bet. If you really believe this, then where did the earth come from?

                                                              If you say Big Bang, then where did those elements come from? Either way somebody had to create it. That is God. Comparing a plant to a human life is silly.

                                                              I don't want to argue with you here but gambling with your soul is a losing proposition pal.

                                                              Peace!
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                                                              • trobin31
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                                                                #2376
                                                                Originally posted by KVB
                                                                trobin, by your writings, I don't think you understood some of Plato's works…particularly the Allegory of the Cave. Perhaps you’re still staring at shadows on the wall.

                                                                But no matter, perhaps you'd be up for a potentially life changing challenge…


                                                                Happy New Year GOD thread.

                                                                Kvb, I appreciate your good humored attempt to question my understanding of this particular allegory. By my own admission I am no expert in philosophy. But, i have read both the phaedos and the republic in their entirety. Albeit over 1o years ago. But I'll try to explain my reference so maybe you will understand more clearly. Since, it is quite clear it is actually YOU who doesnt understand the reference i made. I can't do this without explaining Platonic forms. Which I assume you must be vastly familiar since you questioned how well I understood plato. You see most unenlightened folks think the allegory is purely a means of showing how philosohers, teachers etc can be viewed as irrational and crackpots when trying to explain the various forms. This is the same fate suffered by Socrates and why he was sentenced to death. This is why the concept was introduced in the phaedos. But the allegory is much more than that. It is an allegory of the platonic forms themselves. The shadows representing our view of reality perceived by our senses. The free will of man and his discovery of the metaphysical realm. You see plato decided he could explain the existence of the soul as the most perfect expression of platonic forms since it represented the metaphysical form of ourselves. That each physical entity existed due to its metaphysical form, which we only see the physical form as shadows on the wall. Meanwhile the soul of a tool, weapon, happiness, love and so forth were only expressions of their metaphysical forms. Only the enlightened one could understand these platonic forms behind the physical "shadows".

                                                                In " the republic" The center of the allegory is to provide a philosophers position as an enlightened being tasked to reveal these platonic forms as being the true essence of reality. Attempts to reveal these forms resulted in Socrates being punished. So this what everyone chooses to focus.
                                                                why I say the allegory of the cave has been proven false. Do I really need to explain how this allegory doesn't hold up? that there are no platonic forms, thus no soul, thus no immortality as Plato positied.

                                                                This is the cue for brainfrreeze, snowball and friends to find a passage of scripture to support the existence of the soul. I mean like a real thought out idea of how one can argue for the existence of a soul and god and immortality. I will venture to guess that you cannot do this without opening a bible and just rambling off passages with still more cause daddy "god" said so.
                                                                Come on guys, use your free will. I honestly think you guys are better than just opening up a bible and letting that dictate your entire train of thought. It's basically akin to slavery, mind control. Use your mind to come to reasonable conclusions instead of relying on dogma.

                                                                I hope this finds you enlightened!
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                                                                • trobin31
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                                                                  • 01-09-14
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                                                                  #2377
                                                                  Btw, I am on Kansas large tonight.
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                                                                  • KVB
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                                                                    • 05-29-14
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                                                                    #2378
                                                                    To say the Allegory is proven false is ridiculous form any philosophical standpoint. It holds truths to the human condition. Some of those truths, when understood in the correct frame of light, will help anyone betting the markets...from equities to sports.

                                                                    In terms of the Allegory, and your style of posting, you sound a bit like the person who has been left behind in chains while those who have been enlightened try to share what they've seen.

                                                                    Bottom line trobin, there are things out there that you do not know.

                                                                    The same is true for all of us.

                                                                    As Mr. KLC so eloquently put it, we can continue this conversation after we die.

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                                                                    • DwightShrute
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                                                                      • 01-17-09
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                                                                      #2379
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                                                                      • TheAntFather
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                                                                        #2380
                                                                        Although, I don't believe in all the BS religions here on earth, which is over 10,000 different religions; I do believe we have an energy that will live on forever. When you look at your hand under a microscope, all you see is light and energy.

                                                                        In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change—it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change form.

                                                                        The governments across the world use religion to control the masses. They know the truth and who is the real God or a portal to God, and it ain't no man like Jesus, Buddha or Allah. You can read about 1,000 religious books and they all have bits and pieces in it that tells you the truth where you can see God. It's not a man. I can post it here for people to see and people still wouldn't believe it.

                                                                        But, all a Christian has to do is research their own book and figure out what the book was originally called before it was rewritten 1 Million times by man. It was not called a holy bible, I can tell you that right now. I showed a relative of mine (Christian) the truth, and all she did was get excited and give credit to Jesus. It has nothing to do with Jesus; but the answer is in a lot of different religious books if you dig deep enough.
                                                                        Last edited by TheAntFather; 01-06-16, 08:01 AM.
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