GOD

[Snowball]

Outer Space is possibly just a 2d drawing for us to look at.
If this is proven to be true, I think it has religious and scientific repurcussions
that would destroy much of the scientific presuppositions of the last 150 years !

http://thespacereporter.com/2015/04/study-says-the-universe-may-be-a-hologram/

http://www.highlightpress.com/the-universe-is-a-2d-hologram-vienna-scientists-claim/24028/lorenzo-tanos

http://www.space.com/26969-universe-2d-hologram-holometer-experiment.html

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-government-researchers-think-we-may-be-living-in-a-2d-hologram

[brainfreeze]

Outer Space is possibly just a 2d drawing for us to look at.
If this is proven to be true, I think it has religious and scientific repurcussions
that would destroy much of the scientific presuppositions of the last 150 years !

http://thespacereporter.com/2015/04/study-says-the-universe-may-be-a-hologram/

http://www.highlightpress.com/the-universe-is-a-2d-hologram-vienna-scientists-claim/24028/lorenzo-tanos

http://www.space.com/26969-universe-2d-hologram-holometer-experiment.html

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why...-a-2d-hologram

Quantum gravity... Holograms ... We're back to a flat world ? Lol, Idk know about all this but interesting none the less..

[brainfreeze]

If God controls all, Can it be explained why God drops so much rain in certain areas? Tornado alley? Quake areas? I dunno if I've asked about these things yet

Yes, he controls all... Why ? I'd have to ask, don't know when I'll receive an answer or if I will receive one, He deals with things that concern the heart or things His children are really interested in knowing. So to answer no, Idk why..

[brainfreeze]

Honest question.

Has god spoken to any of the devout believers here? If so, what did he say/ask/command to you? Was it through a sign or an actual voice you heard?

Since your sincere here, I'll give you a green light on the question, Yes He speaks through situations, through people, through children, through our thoughts, any way He can if your listening, it's subtle, sometimes quick and to the point, if your not paying attention to detail it will pass someone right by. If one is distracted, loud, or just " not home " there's no way He can reach someone.. His Words are written with " the commands though " the greatest two are, love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and the other is love your neighbor as yourself...

[bigtymer56]

Since your sincere here, I'll give you a green light on the question, Yes He speaks through situations, through people, through children, through our thoughts, any way He can if your listening, it's subtle, sometimes quick and to the point, if your not paying attention to detail it will pass someone right by. If one is distracted, loud, or just " not home " there's no way He can reach someone.. His Words are written with " the commands though " the greatest two are, love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and the other is love your neighbor as yourself...

Why does it have to subtle?

[brainfreeze]

Why does it have to subtle?

There's a art to His way of conversation, cunning and ingenious ... He gets His point across, and then you know. He is wiser then anything man will ever ponder or know, our wisest is his foolishness...

[brainfreeze]

There are over 1100 letters in your copy and pasted logical fallacy, equating to odds of over 2,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1 against the very existence of that rubbish. Yet there it is. Nobody will likely ever know how it happened, whether there is similar rubbish on other forums, or if there is even more rubbish after we cease living.

See what I did there? No, probably not...intelligent design fans never seem to spot the gaping flaw with their assumptions

Copy and paste aside, logical fallacies pertaining to odds aren't the best argument to drag out on a gambling forum...but given your well-documented misunderstanding of them, color me not surprised



Hrm? Not saying you're pushing it on anyone; commenting that your original question (do you think grown men are taking time out of their day to talk about fairy tales) has a well-documented answer in this very thread.

Claiming something is real but you don't have to prove it is (rightfully) viewed as highly irrational behavior by vast majority of the world (religious and non-religious alike), but people seem to make an exception for their favorite fairy tales



You and others claim your beliefs to be true, and that non-believers will have their afterlife affected because of their mistakes. But you can't even exercise enough brainpower to realize that if you're mistaken, the same would apply to you? I think we can all agree that if "heaven" is full of idiots like yourself, it's not a place to look forward to visiting

To many zeros for me trip, but yeah, anything I say you won't believe so unless you see it for yourself, I guess it will just be unproven to some of you, what can I do there?

[Triple_D_Bet]

To many zeros for me trip, but yeah, anything I say you won't believe so unless you see it for yourself, I guess it will just be unproven to some of you, what can I do there?

Yeah, that's a lot of zeros...but the point is that the "math" frequently trotted out to back intelligent design is flawed at a level even a casual gambler should recognize. Don't know if that's something you subscribe to, but I'd assume not...you seem to not need any explanations or proof beyond the bible and your opinions (no offense intended). But yeah, if you don't see a need to prove anything, and won't accept the scientific proof explaining your experiences, not much either one of us can do bud...like most of these kind of arguments, nobody changes their mind until they want to; converts away from religion when they want a more consistent view of the world, and possibly converts to religion when they get old, fear death and need to believe there's some purpose to life

[muldoon]

To many zeros for me trip, but yeah, anything I say you won't believe so unless you see it for yourself, I guess it will just be unproven to some of you, what can I do there?

Technically - it's unproven to everyone.

You choose to believe based on faith (ie: lack of proof or facts)

Saying it's real, doesn't make it real. Saying you know - doesn't make it known.

[bobbywaves]

You and others claim your beliefs to be true, and that non-believers will have their afterlife affected because of their mistakes. But you can't even exercise enough brainpower to realize that if you're mistaken, the same would apply to you? I think we can all agree that if "heaven" is full of idiots like yourself, it's not a place to look forward to visiting

If I'm mistaken, please explain how the same will happen to me. You're claiming there's no God, remember? So exactly who will punish me when I die for living a good responsible life following God's commandments?

It helps to remember your argument while commenting Tripe.

[Triple_D_Bet]

If I'm mistaken, please explain how the same will happen to me. You're claiming there's no God, remember? So exactly who will punish me when I die for living a good responsible life following God's commandments?

It helps to remember your argument while commenting Tripe.

Per the overwhelmingly most likely scenario, whatever you do or whatever lunacy you believe, you're worm food. This is what I believe and not coincidentally is what the vast majority of explainable human knowledge supports.

However, your belief system revolves around thinking your particular set of beliefs are the only truth, where everyone else's condemn them to hell. Pay close attention now...PER YOUR STATED BELIEF that your system behaves this way, when someone is wrong about it, they go to hell for being mistaken. Taking the microscopic leap in reasoning required, it follows that if you were wrong and someone else's similar belief was correct (the situation you described), your confidence in your place in an afterlife would be completely wrong.

All mockery aside, you might want to get checked for a reading disability, this seems to be something you consistently get wrong regardless of the subject.

[bobbywaves]

You said if I'm mistaken, the same will apply to me. My punishment for being wrong is becoming worm food? I don't think worms can eat through my casket but who cares, I'm dead & wouldn't feel the worms anyway. Is that the best you got?

Thanks for proving my point Tripe. If I'm wrong about God, I will suffer no consequences at my uneventful Godless death. Wish I could say the same about your eternal afterlife, if you're wrong pal.

[raydog]

damn bobby, you are dense... what he means is that if both of you are wrong and another religion is correct, all that dont believe in said religion are fukked... try to keep up boss

[brainfreeze]

Yeah, that's a lot of zeros...but the point is that the "math" frequently trotted out to back intelligent design is flawed at a level even a casual gambler should recognize. Don't know if that's something you subscribe to, but I'd assume not...you seem to not need any explanations or proof beyond the bible and your opinions (no offense intended). But yeah, if you don't see a need to prove anything, and won't accept the scientific proof explaining your experiences, not much either one of us can do bud...like most of these kind of arguments, nobody changes their mind until they want to; converts away from religion when they want a more consistent view of the world, and possibly converts to religion when they get old, fear death and need to believe there's some purpose to life

I do not owe proof, but it was given, my testimony, what I've seen, my mothers visions, you guys call it lies. What can I do if you don't trust what I'm telling you ? I can't help that, I've shown smart folks like John Dee a serious guy of his time under the queen, who made his choice to talk with false spirits and the dark side, I've shown atheist like C.S Lewis, very intelligent individual who crossed over and made his choice to serve the Messiah Jesus. There's 52 pages of information here, and 70% percent of it is worth a read...and deserves thought, if you think it's all a lie and everybody is just " believing " something they were told, your mistaken, and I wouldn't henge my life on such accusations, but it's your life do what you guys want with it..

cheers budd

[Triple_D_Bet]

I do not owe proof, but it was given, my testimony, what I've seen, my mothers visions, you guys call it lies. What can I do if you don't trust what I'm telling you ? I can't help that, I've shown smart folks like John Dee a serious guy of his time under the queen, who made his choice to talk with false spirits and the dark side, I've shown atheist like C.S Lewis, very intelligent individual who crossed over and made his choice to serve the Messiah Jesus. There's 52 pages of information here, and 70% percent of it is worth a read...and deserves thought, if you think it's all a lie and everybody is just " believing " something they were told, your mistaken, and I wouldn't henge my life on such accusations, but it's your life do what you guys want with it..

cheers budd

There are two explanations for the things your mother and many others have experienced. You and others claim it's proof of God working in mysterious ways, but can't offer any evidence to show why or how a God would be causing these things to happen beyond "I just know it's true and don't have to explain". On the other hand, science understands these phenomena very well, can explain them and reproduce them. Can you really blame a rational person for choosing the explanation that is proven in no uncertain terms to the one that just says "I dunno, God did it I guess, just trust me cause I won't prove it"?

Yes, atheists have converted, and religious folks have converted to atheism or other religions....people changing their minds is anything but uncommon. Some people choose to partition their rational thought processes and suspend disbelief to believe in a more comforting worldview for which there is no proof or reason to believe...but in general, far more people choose to throw off the irrational beliefs they were taught than choose to embrace them. Probably an inevitable consequence of communication making the world smaller and science explaining things we used to have to rely upon mythology like Christianity to explain. Exciting times for mankind, and even the charlatans like Ken Hamm will always find enough people to donate to their cults of irrationality, while the rest of the world keeps marching on.

The majority of this thread is just like most other debates on the subject, as could have been predicted at the start: religious folks claim they don't need any legitimate proof cause they just know it's true, and non-religious folks provide rational explanations which fall on deaf ears. The same has probably happened for hundreds of years as mankind slowly became less ignorant, and will definitely continue as long as there's an internet to make it so much easier

[bobbywaves]

To many zeros for me trip, but yeah, anything I say you won't believe so unless you see it for yourself, I guess it will just be unproven to some of you, what can I do there?

Tripe's ignorance in adding zeros was demonstrated once before, when he was trying to ripoff Carseller on interest.

[Triple_D_Bet]

damn bobby, you are dense... what he means is that if both of you are wrong and another religion is correct, all that dont believe in said religion are fukked... try to keep up boss

It's likely he's trying, but I think the guy has an actual reading disability...with other factors, he might be on the spectrum. Maybe he sees the rest of us able to understand these concepts and is just pretending he gets it to fit in? Who knows...but as you said, he's very dense compared to a person of normal cognitive abilities.

Tripe's ignorance in adding zeros was demonstrated once before, when he was trying to ripoff Carseller on interest.

So your adding zeroes while copy-and-pasting your logical fallacy is enlightened, but me using the same example you did is ignorant? Freezer doesn't believe what I do, but he's at least discussing it with some regard for reason and admission of uncertainty. People like you, who claim to be certain long after being proven wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt, are largely responsible for the perception that fundamental religious beliefs and double-thinking idiocy go hand in hand

[bobbywaves]

People like you, who claim to be certain long after being proven wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt

Sounds like you Tripe. You were quite certain you would win our poker challenge, so certain you ignorantly offered me +200 odds. But you were proven wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Sounds like you Tripe. You were quite certain you would win our poker challenge, so certain you ignorantly offered me +200 odds. But you were proven wrong beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Yup, here's some more of that doublethink, with a lot of ignoring when you were wrong and just a dash of the classic super-strong debate technique "nuh-uh, you are!". Once again, that whole past and present tense thing continues to elude you...after I was proven "wrong" in this case (not in my assertion that I was highly likely to win, but that I did not win despite the odds), I've never has a problem admitting it...so unsurprisingly, despite your attempt to troll yet again with that one time you won at something, it doesn't make any sense. Or are you trying to claim that an underdog winning means they weren't an underdog? How can you have hung around here for so long without understanding anything about how odds are calculated?

Rhetorical question by the way, which means you don't have to answer; your actions already have. Now, back on topic: feel free to contribute something to the conversation besides "I believe therefore I'm right", we have enough of that here already

[raydog]

Yes, he controls all... Why ? I'd have to ask, don't know when I'll receive an answer or if I will receive one, He deals with things that concern the heart or things His children are really interested in knowing. So to answer no, Idk why..

So , and we will put the actual atmospheric facts to the side for a moment, doesn't it make much more logical sense, seeing that in certain areas, the weather is explained and is in no way random, that unless God simply hates that people live in these areas, nothing is controlling the weather? Why would God hammer the Midwest over and over again with brutal , destructive and life taking tornados? There is no rhyme or reason for this ideology, imo

[brainfreeze]

So , and we will put the actual atmospheric facts to the side for a moment, doesn't it make much more logical sense, seeing that in certain areas, the weather is explained and is in no way random, that unless God simply hates that people live in these areas, nothing is controlling the weather? Why would God hammer the Midwest over and over again with brutal , destructive and life taking tornados? There is no rhyme or reason for this ideology, imo

Now that hollywood moved by me, I hope we aren't next to run out of water... Just saying..

[brainfreeze]

There are two explanations for the things your mother and many others have experienced. You and others claim it's proof of God working in mysterious ways, but can't offer any evidence to show why or how a God would be causing these things to happen beyond "I just know it's true and don't have to explain". On the other hand, science understands these phenomena very well, can explain them and reproduce them. Can you really blame a rational person for choosing the explanation that is proven in no uncertain terms to the one that just says "I dunno, God did it I guess, just trust me cause I won't prove it"?

Yes, atheists have converted, and religious folks have converted to atheism or other religions....people changing their minds is anything but uncommon. Some people choose to partition their rational thought processes and suspend disbelief to believe in a more comforting worldview for which there is no proof or reason to believe...but in general, far more people choose to throw off the irrational beliefs they were taught than choose to embrace them. Probably an inevitable consequence of communication making the world smaller and science explaining things we used to have to rely upon mythology like Christianity to explain. Exciting times for mankind, and even the charlatans like Ken Hamm will always find enough people to donate to their cults of irrationality, while the rest of the world keeps marching on.

The majority of this thread is just like most other debates on the subject, as could have been predicted at the start: religious folks claim they don't need any legitimate proof cause they just know it's true, and non-religious folks provide rational explanations which fall on deaf ears. The same has probably happened for hundreds of years as mankind slowly became less ignorant, and will definitely continue as long as there's an internet to make it so much easier

No trip, you or no other scientist can reproduce what my mother does, it's bs... Stop trying to explain the unexplainable, science is good, but the crap that's passed off as science sucks, again to think something came from nothing is ridiculous to me, or that intelligent design happened by accident seems even more foolish. I was looking at 11+ years 4 on parole and 7 more suspended over my head trip, did not give a damn budd, I did what I wanted nobody could tell me nothing, still sold dope and got high, had big guns, but this one night everything changed, how ? You can't explain it, and if you asked me, I'd tell you the truth, I was on my knees praying and apologizing for who I'd become ... Gods real trip, all I can tell ya budd, go on the journey man, stop doubting..

[brainfreeze]

Tripe's ignorance in adding zeros was demonstrated once before, when he was trying to ripoff Carseller on interest.

... Guys good with numbers, what can I say...shrugs

[bobbywaves]

... Guys good with numbers, what can I say...shrugs

Being good with numbers & trying to take advantage of a mentally weak Carseller, are two different things.

[brainfreeze]

Being good with numbers & trying to take advantage of a mentally weak Carseller, are two different things.

dont think he was trying to take advantage ... The point was to hang himself on the loan, which he knew he would. I think he's paid the principle back, trip should come up with a number and cut him some slack on interest... Another 1 that needs God.

[raydog]

No trip, you or no other scientist can reproduce what my mother does, it's bs... Stop trying to explain the unexplainable, science is good, but the crap that's passed off as science sucks, again to think something came from nothing is ridiculous to me, or that intelligent design happened by accident seems even more foolish. I was looking at 11+ years 4 on parole and 7 more suspended over my head trip, did not give a damn budd, I did what I wanted nobody could tell me nothing, still sold dope and got high, had big guns, but this one night everything changed, how ? You can't explain it, and if you asked me, I'd tell you the truth, I was on my knees praying and apologizing for who I'd become ... Gods real trip, all I can tell ya budd, go on the journey man, stop doubting..

you were feeling the exact same thing that the people were feeling when they first started to spread the gospel here... hopeless, no answers, nowhere to turn, nobody to turn to...bad shit kept happening and happening...what was it they werent doing?? oh, it must be because we arent god fearing enough...i get it... the early christians turned to the unknown because it was a positive and easy way of thinking and could easily be taught...even when prayers went unanswered and bad shit continued to happen, they still, illiterately, mind you, continued to value the unknown more than the views of each other...and so the theory spread...

you turned to something that others blindly believed and you have scared yourself straight... i wish guys like you would give yourself more credit... the idea of a god has put you on the path to being a better person... The idea that there actually is a god, is never going to make rational sense to me, but as long as you are hanging to the fear of what might happen if you didnt have your God, i believe you will be the best person you can be... im glad you found something to believe in and continue to prosper and do your best to help others the best way you know possible...im not big on some of the judgmental beliefs that you and other christians hold, but i can see you trying to help everyone, no matter what the bible says about them or what the christian society thinks is right or wrong with them... we may disagree 100% on things, but that doesnt take away from who we are... although you know it falls on deaf ears, you still put forth the effort... people ask why i bother and continue to post in this thread, but truth is, ive enjoyed this thread because of the guys who have been posting....you're a good guy, bf...

[muldoon]

dont think he was trying to take advantage ... The point was to hang himself on the loan, which he knew he would. I think he's paid the principle back, trip should come up with a number and cut him some slack on interest... Another 1 that needs God.

What fair interest rate would God recommend?

Considering charging interest is spoken about pretty clearly in...Exodus 22....Ezekiel 18.....Leviticus 25.....Luke 6...Proverbs.....

[Triple_D_Bet]

dont think he was trying to take advantage ... The point was to hang himself on the loan, which he knew he would. I think he's paid the principle back, trip should come up with a number and cut him some slack on interest... Another 1 that needs God.

CS4 paid the principal back, after constantly deliberately breaking his promises hundreds of times, and he continues to do so. If he showed any meaningful desire to live up to his word, I could be lenient; since he is determined not to, I won't and the forum is better off without him. Whether or not he finds common decency, via religion or via the common-sense realization that it's not cool to be a lying scammer, he needs to stop acting like a child. Regardless, it doesn't really matter; even if I let him get away with it and not learn his lesson, he's incapable of paying back even fair interest at this point.

Regarding your mom and others, the difference is you don't believe science can explain what they did. The facts are the facts though, and it can both explain and reproduce it...cold-reading is a pretty-well documented technique that anyone can pick up with a little effort. Facts don't require your belief to exist; they exist whether you believe in them or not, and they're available for us to evaluate and come to the logical conclusion that it's not divinely inspired, it's just cognitive misfires.

Science doesn't have every answer to everything, but dismissing the fields where science does have the definitive answers because of this is to choose to live in ignorance. That's OK and your choice to make, but you can't expect others to follow you there when the far better explanation is readily available and understood.

[ACoochy]

Its hard to trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act, by asking for forgiveness from their imaginary friend...

[ACoochy]

If you need the threat of eternal damnation to make you act right.....you might not be a good person to begin with..

[raydog]

Its hard to trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act, by asking for forgiveness from their imaginary friend...

i agree, to a point... clearing you conscience with a God and clearing your conscience with yourself and society are different things... a person may commit murder under an extreme circumstance and find forgiveness and receive a clear conscience with god, but know they will never be forgiven by the family/friends/etc of the deceased and know they will always be perceived as a murderer(sinner) in the eyes of society ... society doesnt give a shit about your relationship with your god and i hope most god fearing understand that... but your point is well taken

[brainfreeze]

you were feeling the exact same thing that the people were feeling when they first started to spread the gospel here... hopeless, no answers, nowhere to turn, nobody to turn to...bad shit kept happening and happening...what was it they werent doing?? oh, it must be because we arent god fearing enough...i get it... the early christians turned to the unknown because it was a positive and easy way of thinking and could easily be taught...even when prayers went unanswered and bad shit continued to happen, they still, illiterately, mind you, continued to value the unknown more than the views of each other...and so the theory spread...

you turned to something that others blindly believed and you have scared yourself straight... i wish guys like you would give yourself more credit... the idea of a god has put you on the path to being a better person... The idea that there actually is a god, is never going to make rational sense to me, but as long as you are hanging to the fear of what might happen if you didnt have your God, i believe you will be the best person you can be... im glad you found something to believe in and continue to prosper and do your best to help others the best way you know possible...im not big on some of the judgmental beliefs that you and other christians hold, but i can see you trying to help everyone, no matter what the bible says about them or what the christian society thinks is right or wrong with them... we may disagree 100% on things, but that doesnt take away from who we are... although you know it falls on deaf ears, you still put forth the effort... people ask why i bother and continue to post in this thread, but truth is, ive enjoyed this thread because of the guys who have been posting....you're a good guy, bf...

Proverbs 9:10 (KJV)


10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Yes I do fear God but it's a healthy fear, and respect. I'm not perfect, I strive to be, but I've never been scared of to much of anything, I'm known for telling killers to fall back, I was that charging chariot that knew no ranks, it wasn't about fear though, it was being put on the spot, under pressure, that made me and didn't break me, I found out who I really was on the inside, under a grown mans choice, it was a decision, a conscience one...either side with evil and do some good on the account of evil, or side with good, I sided with who I am, a good guy... I never wanted to harm anyone in life, wasn't my purpose, I just wanted the stature, power, and so fourth, the game was just something I was good at, it fit with the environment, but I was living a lie, and it took something big for me to acknowledge that, but as for me being scared, no... It was the acknowledgement of the heart, and wanting forgiveness of God..

Thanks for the compliments, well appreciated raydog, cheers

[brainfreeze]

Its hard to trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act, by asking for forgiveness from their imaginary friend...

Atheist talking morals ...

[Triple_D_Bet]

Atheist talking morals ...

Morality isn't the sole domain of the religious. I'd argue that a more mature and lasting sense of morality comes from understanding the principle of reciprocation that underlies morality in general, instead of the "do it cause some guy said so or you'll get punished" morality advocated by Christianity and other religions.

[brainfreeze]

CS4 paid the principal back, after constantly deliberately breaking his promises hundreds of times, and he continues to do so. If he showed any meaningful desire to live up to his word, I could be lenient; since he is determined not to, I won't and the forum is better off without him. Whether or not he finds common decency, via religion or via the common-sense realization that it's not cool to be a lying scammer, he needs to stop acting like a child. Regardless, it doesn't really matter; even if I let him get away with it and not learn his lesson, he's incapable of paying back even fair interest at this point.

He made a thread or two about it, and paid principle asking what's next, I'd say that's a desire to make things right. Forum better off without him ? Idk, kind of new myself but I didn't mind him.
its not about letting him get away with anything, guy has a toe tag underneath his name every time he posts, compared to other real stiffs that I've seen, don't think he deserves that treatment, so it would be appreciated if you could let him go with a reasonable debt of 3k or so..for the six months..

Regarding your mom and others, the difference is you don't believe science can explain what they did. The facts are the facts though, and it can both explain and reproduce it...cold-reading is a pretty-well documented technique that anyone can pick up with a little effort. Facts don't require your belief to exist; they exist whether you believe in them or not, and they're available for us to evaluate and come to the logical conclusion that it's not divinely inspired, it's just cognitive misfires.

Again, she's not cold reading, these are visions, she's not plucking things out, or asking things, she's literally seeing the individual some where else... Please provide some " science " on this..

Science doesn't have every answer to everything, but dismissing the fields where science does have the definitive answers because of this is to choose to live in ignorance. That's OK and your choice to make, but you can't expect others to follow you there when the far better explanation is readily available and understood
far better explanation ...lol, com'on trip, you really don't believe we came from apes and rocks do you ? So what's next ? or is the answer we have " completed " the evolutionary process ..smh, that's a religion bro, you are having faith in mans philosophy that can't be proven, and has been proven to lie when necessary.

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