Look fellas, he's using the holier-than-thou attitude again to escape owning up to his support of the church that has killed women, children and millions of men to be where it is today. It's obvious he want's to turn his head to the criminal nature of the criminal's he is talking about and again - ignore the facts so he can continue to spread his fairy tale.
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You're the one who said I'm under the control of jews but here you are completely influenced by their writings.
Does this not make you a hypocrite?
I never said I believe in torturing anyone. I don't believe in torture. I do believe that evil things like witchcraft and devil worshiping should be illegal though.
Again, when you say Church you are blaming the whole Church for the actions of a localized few.
One look at history can prove that england has tortured and killed, by itself, far more people than you claim the Church is responsible for.Comment -
She is not a jew as far as I know. I take one quote from a book on the matter and some one how I am completely influenced by them - that is, if, she is a jew, which she is not. Either way, the fact's are the fact's. Why have you ignored all question's poised to you in this small dialogue?
When I say church I am talking about the "localized few" aka the leadership and the people who make up the administration of the church, of course I am not talking about idiots like you
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She is a secularist jew living in San Francisco, the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah so of course she is going to be anti-Church. Look it up. You are influenced by her since you referenced her book.She is not a jew as far as I know. I take one quote from a book on the matter and some one how I am completely influenced by them - that is, if, she is a jew, which she is not. Either way, the fact's are the fact's. Why have you ignored all question's poised to you in this small dialogue?
When I say church I am talking about the "localized few" aka the leadership and the people who make up the administration of the church, of course I am not talking about idiots like you
You are a clear hypocrite.
The problem with your interpretation of the word Church is that the people like me ARE the Church. WE, the people, are the Church.
You are blaming all for very few.
Again, take a look at your country england. Responsible for far more tortures an deaths than you can ever claim for the Church.
Look at the Amritsar Massacre
The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also known as the Amritsar massacre, was a seminal event in the British rule of India. On 13 April 1919, a crowd of non-violent protesters, along with Baishakhi pilgrims, had gathered in the Jallianwala Bagh garden in Amritsar, Punjab to protest the arrest of two leaders despite a curfew which had been recently declared.[1] On the orders of Brigadier-General Reginald Dyer, the army fired on the crowd for ten minutes, directing their bullets largely towards the few open gates through which people were trying to run out. The dead numbered between 370 and 1,000, or possibly more. The "brutality stunned the entire nation",[2] resulting in a "wrenching loss of faith" of the general public in the intentions of Britain.[3] The ineffective inquiry and the initial accolades for Dyer by the House of Lords fueled widespread anger, leading to the Non-cooperation movement of 1920–22.
Look at Bloody Sunday
Bloody Sunday (Irish: Domhnach na Fola)[1][2]—sometimes called the Bogside Massacre[3]—was an incident on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Derry, Northern Ireland, in which 26 civil-rights protesters and bystanders were shot by soldiers of the British Army. Thirteen males, seven of whom were teenagers, died immediately or soon after, while the death of another man four-and-a-half months later was attributed to the injuries he received on that day. Two protesters were also injured when they were run down by army vehicles.[4] Five of those wounded were shot in the back.[5] The incident occurred during a Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association march; the soldiers involved were members of the First Battalion of the Parachute Regiment (1 Para).[6]
Two investigations have been held by the British government. The Widgery Tribunal, held in the immediate aftermath of the event, largely cleared the soldiers and British authorities of blame—Widgery described the soldiers' shooting as "bordering on the reckless"—but was widely criticised as a "whitewash".[7][8][9] The Saville Inquiry, chaired by Lord Saville of Newdigate, was established in 1998 to reinvestigate the events. Following a 12-year inquiry, Saville's report was made public on 15 June 2010, and contained findings of fault that could re-open the controversy, and potentially lead to criminal investigations for some soldiers involved in the killings.[10] The report found that all of those shot were unarmed, and that the killings were both "unjustified and unjustifiable." On the publication of the Saville report the British prime minister, David Cameron, made a formal apology on behalf of the United Kingdom.Comment -
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?!
How did a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organize themselves into the first living cell?Comment -
I can see where Lucullus is coming from and why he thinks his way. He's a historian and refuses to follow a violent
controlling religion. English crusades went everywhere killing everyone who wouldn't convert. Columbus did the same shit.
Yeah, that shit was bad, but if you read the true meaning of every religion, the message is pretty much the same.
It's your choice to believe what you do, it's all good.
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Here, gentlemen, we have a neutral observer admitting that there whole religion has been maintained and begotten followers by violence. Not mentioning the other facts I have stated that go along with it - torture, assassination, and a whole plethora of control. That is what the "religion" is - a "localized few" gathering power in its various forms or maintaining that power.I can see where Lucullus is coming from and why he thinks his way. He's a historian and refuses to follow a violent
controlling religion. English crusades went everywhere killing everyone who wouldn't convert. Columbus did the same shit.
Yeah, that shit was bad, but if you read the true meaning of every religion, the message is pretty much the same.
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I'm not being holier than thou, I think I've spent plenty of time telling you that I'm no better than you or anyone else for that matter. I will call you out for your anti-Semitic views, however. To have such prejudiced views in-line with Nietzche and Nazis and then call yourself an intellectual is ridiculous.
I have never defended the Crusades, Catholics killing Protestants and vice-versa during the Renaissance, or any other religious war that has occurred throughout history. Just because things are done by people in the name of God doesn't automatically make them Godly. The devil doesn't care if you believe in God or not. If he can use it in such a way that Christians fight against other Christians or kill others that aren't believers and lead to their destruction then he is all for it. Plenty of people do evil things in Jesus name. Preachers become self-righteous and form cults, some teach false doctrine that is nowhere in the Bible, others spew hate against homosexuals and other groups when we are called to love, some act all righteous in the presence of others but live an entirely different and evil life behind closed doors. The devil will use any means he can to destroy ourselves, and if he can cause chaos in Christianity even better because it has a two-fold effect: It hurts the believers involved and drives non-believers away. There has been plenty of wars fought in the name of God, but there has been many killed in the name of Atheism too (Communist China,Russia,Nazi Germany...).Comment -
I am anti-semitic because I state the fact that jew's created and have controlled your false religion since the beginning of its creation. Again - ignoring the vital facts so you can maintain your beliefs, true or not.
Look at this guy, blaming others for what the leadership of the church has done, a common scape-goat for there crimes - the "devil".Comment -
Whether you want to believe in it or not doesn't bother me. Its your life, not mine. Well, it does bother me that you are so lost but I can only do so much. your salvation lies in your hands. What does bother me is when you resort to using terms like Jewsus, religious nuts, loons, fairy tales, mental midgets and the like. It shows your heart. And it seems black as coal.
The church isn't an institution. Its the body of Christ (people who are true believers. All of them). I'm not specifically pointing at leadership in the body of Christ. Everyone is to blame. I've said it enough that Christians are no better than non-Christians and are subject to the same downfalls as anyone else. Becoming a Christian doesn't magically make you insusceptible to sin, its living a Christian life.
You can deny the devils existence or evil all you want. Evil is around everywhere, and when you ponder the question why we seem to be the only species that lives on this earth out of harmony and set on destroying one another, you have to think why that is. Evil works in many ways. You may be blinded to your own hatred because evil lives inside your heart, but every time I talk to people like you it doesn't weaken my faith but reinforces it.Last edited by Footy4Jesus; 02-07-14, 08:27 PM.Comment -
Evolution (macro, to be clear) is a fact. Anyone who doesn't realize that is an idiot. Sorry, but it's true.Comment -
How long has man been on earth? 250,000 years?
There is really zero evidence man "evolved". There is plenty of evidence that evolution occurred and is occurring.
The answer is both creation and evolution are true. Something "placed" man here and not very long ago considering the earth is roughly 3.5 billion years old.
In the time man has been here he has evolved slightly to adapt to his environment. As have many animals over millions of years.Comment -
John
Dont tell your coccyx or your appendix that
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Sharps on Evolution.
Squares on Creationism.Comment -
Footy, we're exact opposites.
I used to be a big believer in god, the bible, jesus and all that crap
I was a youth minister after college, led worship and played acoustic for christ and
Did that for a few years and went back to college
Something happened, like a switch flipped and everything became more clear. I didnt believe in god anymore. And it felt great to acknowledge it because i had denied it for some time. i was finally being honest and I was free of the burden to live my life as jesus would knowing i never could. Everyday was an internal struggle and it took a toll on me psychologically and emotionally.
I haven't believe in god in nearly 15 years now and every day feels great. I honestly cringe at the thought of going back to that life.
Like most everyone else, I don't care what anyone else believes. As long as everyone is being honest with themselves, they'll be happy. And that's all that matters.Comment -
I said some thing quite like this in my other post, but you touched up on it nicely. What I am getting at is, there is no way the "god" of the fairy tale bible created the races of the earth. If any thing he created some monstrous deep sea creature.
So can the two theories co-operate? They do, but there is a lot more to it than the narrow knowledge that the original poster brings forth for debate.Comment -
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?!
How did a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organize themselves into the first living cell?Comment -
I'm glad you think that people at SBR are the great minds of our civilization, but you asked the question
and Google is your answer, not us. Let us know what you find.
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All I wanted was a nice, simple, conversation.
No one here has answered the question and google doesn't have an answer either.Comment -
So without anyone being able to go back possibly billions of years to explain the origins of abiogenesis, you refute everything else posted?
You ask for answers from science, yet show your hand with comments like "the so called scientists".
Because science can't answer (to your satisfaction) all your questions, you decide that the teachings of a Rome based pedo-protecting collection of celibates is your own best bet for eternal salvation?
Science can only postulate theories as to how the initial cell walls were formed along with the origins of life
Your hope is that people will throw up their hands and accept that the idea of a master creator is viable because of things like pretty sunsets or the smiles of a baby (or just that concepts like time and life are still in flux)
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To touch up on my most recent post, the key is genetic engineering - this is the core of the creationist theory. Of course the church tried to hijack it and make it there own , saying that there sadistic god was that engineer, which of course is intellectual dialogue you feed peasants.
The church has hijacked everything. They have Philly believing they started civilization. The fact is - pagans, devil worshippers, witches created the foundations and the modern parts of civilization we use now. After the rise of the churches power (never strong in intellectual circles), you had to not step on churches toes, in intellectual matters, but there is tons of plain evidence, even in the churches own sources - that show that the men who created modern civilization always veered away from the clergy's dark power.Comment -
No I don't think we are exact opposites. I can relate to you in many ways because the same thing happened to me out of high school and I didn't believe in Jesus anymore for over 10 years. I actually haven't been a Christian long it only been a year. There was always a part of me though that believed there was some kind of creator to this world we live in. I know I didn't bring myself here, I didn't make myself or this world around me. I also find it perplexing that there isn't just one soul inhabiting this earth, but billions of them and they're all unique from my own. It just makes sense to me that for all that is in this world created, there must be a creator. I understand the struggle with all of these difficult concepts about life that we must endure and how it never seems to end. Its a lot easier to just fall back on what you can prove instead of relying on faith. Faith is difficult because you are putting your trust into something that you cant prove. Yet I will also argue that atheism is a leap of faith, too. I put my faith in a God that I cannot prove to exist, and atheists put their faith into believing a God does not exist. You cannot prove it either way and that's why this debate continues without a solid answer. So I don't think its silly at all to not believe in God, but it isn't to believe in God either. You can make a good argument either way. Going back to church was difficult for me and I cringed at going back to that life just like you do. Once I got back into it though I was glad that I did and couldn't believe what I was missing. The people with so much life in them, actual decent marriage material women, an outline for how to live a good, happy, prosperous life that no philosophy class has ever taught me. That internal struggle you talk about is real. You might have a different take on it, but I believe that becoming a Christian doesn't make things easier in many ways it makes it harder. The enemy loves to attack Christians with doubt and turmoil in hope of you turning your back on God just to make the suffering go away. But its all a lie, and the suffering and turmoil does continue. Jesus never said it would be easy to live a holy life. In fact quite the opposite and that the path is narrow.
I'm glad you spoke up and shared your story, it was great to hear from you. Two people really can be decent even though they hold opposing views.Comment -
Here this creep implies that if you are not a religious nut like him, you are suffering, having doubt and turmoil in your soul, etc.
He also does not explain how becoming a religious creep like him actually would erase those problems, because they dont, but make them worse. Ignoring thing's does not make them go away and that is the foundation for the followers of the foul program.Comment -
That's correct. Show me fossil development of man evolving, of man colonies millions of years ago and how man developed. You can't, they don't exist, they never did because Man was not here. Nearly all animals adapt, that;s not necessarily evolving.
Man is not going to "evolve" in 200,000 years. Man was either created or placed here a short time ago. The intelligence of man is not earth like. There has been life on earth for a couple of billion years and no amount of "evolution" came anywhere close to the mental abilities of Man.
How exactly we got here is unknown. God creating the human race is the chalk simply because of the time lines and the fact there is zero evidence that humans evolved, quite the contrary. There is overwhelming scientific evidence that humans, in our current state, simply appeared out of thin air.Comment
