i didnt know that about the 20 posts but i do want to hear what you have to say. 20 posts shouldnt take long to make, just send it after you can do the pm. i had a long response to what you were trying to say which was very longwinded in itself and we kinda were going off to left field a little bit, so id rather keep the more concise comments in this thread.
1/3 nl hand at casino 12/17/12
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thetrinitySBR Posting Legend
- 01-25-11
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thetrinitySBR Posting Legend
- 01-25-11
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#37In the stakes you're playing I would also play your hand the same. From the notes you gave a mostly-tight passive player I would put him on a mid pair myself or a hand like AQs. Since he called the flop I would then also put him on the same kinda hand like TT JJ. The way I play the turn in this situation is the same I would jam because of your stack to pot ratio, however if I was in a bigger game and vs better players, I would assume that they are calling on this board with TT, JJ, QQ to trap + find out more info and when you jam the turn they would fold (because you said everyone was tight passive, therefore a big raise, and a big 3 bet preflop would indicate only a premium hand), therefore I would check to enduce a jam or big bet by your opponent. If they truly did have a hand like TT, JJ, QQ they are never checking behind when you check since you are making your hand look like AQ, AK and if they have a hand like AQ, AK they are most likely folding to your jam on the turn, but may be inclined to bet/bluff/jam themself when you check the turn and show weakness. With your stack size it is still likely they'll call with JJ and QQ, but this play will elimate all chance of them being able to fold. Now if you had been active, or the game was active, then your play gets called by over pairs always and this play would not be necessary. GL at the tables!Comment -
TruDegenSBR Rookie
- 12-19-12
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#38i didnt know that about the 20 posts but i do want to hear what you have to say. 20 posts shouldnt take long to make, just send it after you can do the pm. i had a long response to what you were trying to say which was very longwinded in itself and we kinda were going off to left field a little bit, so id rather keep the more concise comments in this thread.
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sinmiedoSBR MVP
- 03-10-10
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#39POPPING MY POSTING CHERRY HERE!
Let me preface this with the inevitable poker cliche it depends. I will give my opinion as if I had just sat at the table and everyone was completely unknown to me (no reads, no showdowns seen, or prior play with villain). Yes, I call a shove after I lead here. Part of the reason I call a shove is, I would have lead much larger than $55 into a pot of approximately $100. I'm leading a full pot bet maybe even a tad over pot ($120). I'm doing that because at first this board looks like a great board for us, but when you look again a majority of turn cards arent going to be good for black kings, if villain is peeling for $55. We should be focused on taking the pot down here or atleast give villain terrible odds to draw to and I'm shoving on the turn 90 times out of 100. By betting $55 we are giving villain excellent odds to peel off a card on what really is a very drawy board. What happens when he flats for $55 and any heart, Q, J, 10, A, 4, or 5 peels off on the turn. Now we have approximately 2/3 pot in our stack oop with no real information from the prior street. I think in certain situations the way you played would be fine but, from your description (passive/nitty $1/$3 table) this is the line I'd take. As played I still call a shove you are firing what most $1/$3 players would consider a weak cbet so they will be shoving light a lot. You are only dominated by 66, 77, 88, and AA given your preflop action we can discount 66 most of the time and 77, 88 in a lot of cases. This leaves AA as the only realistic hand that we are dominated by. If villain shows up with AA or a set chalk it up to cold deck and rebuy. IMO villain's shoving range would be as follows (majority of the time): AhXh, KhJh+, 55+ and (small % of the time) A8ss and complete air. Sorry for the long post but, I am a very big fan of discussing poker strategy.
Cheers and good luck at the tables.
-TruDegen
a big pair is good preflop but not guaranty to make it to the end, and pot odds are the best defence for the big pairs and, the call or re=raise will provide the hero the necesary info needed for the desicion.
Again exwelent post and I would have done the same.Comment -
moses millsapSBR Hall of Famer
- 08-25-05
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#40$44 reraise OOP is too much for me even with 5 limpers. I probably go $35 max and hope to see the flop 3 handed; it makes the button play much more honestly when facing two opponents. Flop is terrible for your hand IMO. I check the flop being OOP and go with live reads. If I think I'm good, I go for a c/r and looking at your stack, loves like it would be a shove. As for whether you should call a shove on the flop after your continuation bet, it all depends. You have to know your players and go with your read when playing live.Comment -
BeerDog99SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
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#41$44 reraise OOP is too much for me even with 5 limpers. I probably go $35 max and hope to see the flop 3 handed; it makes the button play much more honestly when facing two opponents. Flop is terrible for your hand IMO. I check the flop being OOP and go with live reads. If I think I'm good, I go for a c/r and looking at your stack, loves like it would be a shove. As for whether you should call a shove on the flop after your continuation bet, it all depends. You have to know your players and go with your read when playing live.Comment -
lunchbawksSBR Posting Legend
- 01-31-10
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#42if hes calling the flop your drawing dead
u made it so obvious you had a big pocket pairComment -
thetrinitySBR Posting Legend
- 01-25-11
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#44$44 reraise OOP is too much for me even with 5 limpers. I probably go $35 max and hope to see the flop 3 handed; it makes the button play much more honestly when facing two opponents. Flop is terrible for your hand IMO. I check the flop being OOP and go with live reads. If I think I'm good, I go for a c/r and looking at your stack, loves like it would be a shove. As for whether you should call a shove on the flop after your continuation bet, it all depends. You have to know your players and go with your read when playing live.Comment -
thetrinitySBR Posting Legend
- 01-25-11
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#45i sorta like moses idea if i knew the players at the table a little better, really didnt know any of these guys. if i thought there was some players who could call the 35 after limping then maybe i basically check the flop dark and either shove or fold depending on what plays out. there were many smaller stacks 2, so it seemed even less likely, i just figured id play this guy heads up.Comment
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