The SBR pre election vote - Obama vs Gingrich

[No coincidences]

I voted for both. In my humble opinion Bush was a much better president. Obama is not very smart when it comes to the economy. It's quite simple to understand that raising the already absurdly high tax rates on those who do the hiring is only going to make a terrible problem worse. But every third sentence out of his mouth is how we should raise the taxes on the rich. Obama's obsession with raising taxes is scary.

But Bush was?

[Kindred]

Politicians are evil. I won't vote, it only encourages the bastards

[Kindred]

b4 anyone says I'm wasting a vote..if a politician wins by a decent margin he got a "mandate" by the voters..choosing the lesser of two evils only encourages these scumbags, feeds their egos, and gives them more political power with the "mandate" bullshit

[No coincidences]

Politicians are evil. I won't vote, it only encourages the bastards

[neverstoppers23]

But Bush was?

Bush was a very smart man, his public speaking skills were low but if you ask even democrats who have worked with him they will tell you the guy is very intelligent.

he actually said in 2002, that freddie and fannie are going to explode, but the dems just laughed at him at the time saying everyone should own homes.


barnie frank, still thinks he isn't to blame even though he was the head of the finance department for years in congress.

[Shafted69]

But Bush was?

Starting a war based on lies to grow an economy is very smart in the world of the shameless, immoral, greedy neocons.

[SBR_John]

With nearly 50% of the votes in Obama maintains a rather commanding 18 point lead.

[Optional]

I voted for both. In my humble opinion Bush was a much better president. Obama is not very smart when it comes to the economy. It's quite simple to understand that raising the already absurdly high tax rates on those who do the hiring is only going to make a terrible problem worse. But every third sentence out of his mouth is how we should raise the taxes on the rich. Obama's obsession with raising taxes is scary.

Obama was handed a basket case, and forced into completing the bank bailout plan Bush was following (needlessly imho, as he should have left the new admin to make that call).

From this distance it appears to be a financial miracle that the US has survived as well as it has over the last 3 years. Just take a look at Europe by comparison, and they didn't have the massive millstone of individuals walking away from mortgages on their soil.

Tough times make for tough calls. Don't drink the media koolaid that all taxes and govt spending are bad. Hard times is exactly when our governments should be going into debt and reigning in as many rebates as possible. Rebates are for the good times. If we demand our cake and eat it too right now the hard times will last a lot longer than needed.

And you can look toward the Asia/Pacific region for concrete proof that policy worked!

[ACoochy]

I get the strong suspicion that there's several foreigners posting in this thread. Let's make one thing REAL clear...... if you're not allowed to cast a vote for the next US President - then we couldn't give two fukks what you think!! As you were, men.

What is it with u republicans and selective memory processing?? Its cool though, ur intentionally forgetting what was inherited by the worlds biggest mass murderer since Hitler..
Yeah, we saw what happened last time one of u fukks had a go at this...Well done champ

[PhillyFlyers]

With nearly 50% of the votes in Obama maintains a rather commanding 18 point lead.

Can you please make an SBR pre-election poll between obama and Ron Paul? Gingrich can't win, that much is obvious by now.

[jw]

It's quite simple to understand that raising the already absurdly high tax rates on those who do the hiring is only going to make a terrible problem worse

Relevant : Asked to name a small business that'd be hurt by a millionaires' surtax, GOP comes up with ... nothing

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/failing_a_putuporshutup_challe034013.php

The White House and congressional Democrats want to cut the payroll tax for another year, paying for it with a surtax on millionaires and billionaires. Congressional Republicans, true to form, have balked. Pressed for an explanation, GOP officials invariably say the surtax on the very wealthy would be bad for small businesses.

Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) argued this week that “it’s just intuitive” that many small-business owners, who report company profits on their individual taxes, would hire fewer workers after getting “hit with a tax increase.”

This gave NPR a good idea: maybe the public should hear from some of these small-business owners. (thanks to D.M. for the tip)

We wanted to talk to business owners who would be affected. So, NPR requested help from numerous Republican congressional offices, including House and Senate leadership. They were unable to produce a single millionaire job creator for us to interview.

So we went to the business groups that have been lobbying against the surtax. Again, three days after putting in a request, none of them was able to find someone for us to talk to.

Then NPR put out the same challenge on Facebook, and it only heard from small-business owners who said the opposite of what Republicans are saying.

When asked for an explanation, Thune told NPR “most small-business owners who are out there right now” agree with the Republican argument.

Fine. Name one.

It’s such a simple challenge. If Republicans are right, the examples to bolster their point should be practically everywhere. So why would they struggle to offer a single example? Because the GOP talking points only work when there’s no scrutiny.

For the record, the Republican claim about small businesses and the millionaires’ surtax has already been debunked. Indeed, the irony of the larger argument is that if the GOP blocks an extension of the payroll tax break, Republicans will be increasing taxes on small businesses.

[TheMoneyShot]

Amazing how Obama is getting 50% of the SBR vote... shocking actually.

[Hoja Verdes]

Newt's closeted skeletons will be exposed during the potus vetting process by the media. Democrat wet dream if he gets the nod.

[wquine]

ron paul or bye bye america

[Dirty Sanchez]

Can you please make an SBR pre-election poll between obama and Ron Paul? Gingrich can't win, that much is obvious by now.

[Wrecktangle]

I guess we got what we deserved with Obama too.

We could really use a JFK or Reagan about now.

John, next year the info can easily come out that we haven't had a non-rigged election since Eisenhower.

...and when it does, the Tea Party, Occupy, and even the rioting in 1968 will look like Circus Acts.

[boeing power]

Democrats are praying that newt gets the nomination

[SBR_John]

Down to 14 points. Looks like some tax payers are checking in.

[Shaudius]

We have someone who would be better than both JFK and Reagan.

A modern day founding father.

His name is Ron Paul and he's the champion of the Constitution.

Are you kidding me? I am sick and tired of this absolute hogwash. Ron Paul is not a proponent of the constitution, only what he wants to be a proponent of.

This is a repost but I am so sick of hearing this rant that it makes me sick.

"Ron Paul's stance on ending the Fed isn't what makes his candidacy crazy, its his stance on ending the Department of Commerce that makes him crazy. Basically he wants to eliminate several agencies(and not replace them with anything) that perform Constitutionally mandated duties. He wants to get rid of a) the Census Bureau, b) the Patent Office, c) the National Institute of Standards and Technology. I would like someone to explain to me how the Federal Government implements Article 1 Section 8 Clause 8 with no patent office, how it implements Article 1 Section 8 Clause 5 with no NIST to maintain the proper standards, and how it implements Article 1 Section 2 with no Census Bureau. He also wants to eliminate the Bureau of Indian Affairs, so what, native american tribes will have no contact with the federal government and become completely sovereign? Who is going to manage all the federal land if he eliminates the Bureau of Land Management, both part of the Department of the Interior that he wants to defund. Are we going to give up all of our territories(American Somoa, Guam, etc.) that are administered by the Department of the Interior? Sell them to other countries? What? That doesn't even go into all the functions in those agencies that are good policy(and things that the government should be invested in) those are just the ones that are either constitutionally mandated or fundamentally necessary in order for us to function as a union. No Ron Paul isn't crazy for wanting to eliminate the Fed he's crazy for a whole lot of other parts of his election campaign."

So in summary Ron Paul wants to eliminate several agencies that perform constitutionally mandated functions, yes this surely is a champion of the constitution.

[andywend]

Mitt Romney has been the favorite to win the GOP nomination all the way save for a day or 2 when Perry made his huge run before collapsing.

I'm curious as to why SBR John created a Gingrich v Obama poll as opposed to a Romney v Obama poll as Romney is still the clear favorite to win the GOP nomination.

Gingrich would be a far better president than Romney but Romney has a much better chance of beating Obama than Gingrich.

While lowlife democrats might be enjoying the results of this little SBR poll, the fact remains that Obama has a 50/50 chance to be re-elected where as Bush was trading at 65% at this point in time 8 years ago to win his 2nd term. In addition, the democrats have a less than 1 in 4 chance of keeping control of the senate or winning back the house.

The only reason Obama is even trading at 50% is because people believe there is value betting on the incumbent at even money. However, the economy is going to have to drastically change for the better if Obama is to have any reasonable chance to win re-election.

In the end, it really doesn't matter if Obama wins or loses as long as he is NOT given a democratic controlled house and senate at his disposal. As long as republicans have power to stop him from destroying this country, THEY WILL DO EXACTLY THAT.

[Shaudius]

barnie frank, still thinks he isn't to blame even though he was the head of the finance department for years in congress.

So one congressman sets the entire fiscal policy of the United States? Yep, its all his fault, one congressman caused the entire financial meltdown.

[andywend]

Obama and the democrats believe in taxing the rich as much as they possily can and spreading that extra money around.
That is NOT trickle down economics but communism.

No country anywhere on the planet during any time era has succeeded with that kind of thinking.

Liberal democrats like to talk about the 90% top tax bracket that was in existence during the 1940's -1960's but NOBODY was taxed at that rate due to the plethora of tax shelters in existence during those times.

I agree wholeheartedly that for this country to flourish, the middle class needs to flourish as well:

The democrats want to accomplish this by taking more from the rich and giving it to the poor and middle class and by increasing the size and scope of the federal government. Unfortunately, this does NOT create the additional wealth that is needed to improve the lives of all Americans.

The republicans want to let the free market do its thing so there will be more opportunites for everyone. They also believe in giving more power to the states and limiting the scope and size of the federal government. This is the best possible philosophy.

Not all republicans are perfect and not all democrats are bad. However, taking the country in a direction Obama prefers will destroy the United States of America.

[golfrulz]

the clown in my avatar......not.

[jerry]

Newt's one of the few Rupublicans that Obama can beat. No way will he be the nomination. Romney will win.
Either way the future is bleak.

[floridagolfer]

I'd vote for Mussolini before I supported Gingrich.

[Vitooch]

Ron Paul

[shari91]

I'd vote for Mussolini before I supported Gingrich.

this made me giggle, ty

I said in NoCoin's thread a week or two ago: No bloody way in hell I'd vote for Gingrich. Put someone else's name up there, I'll do more research and I'll truly consider giving them my vote because Obama's been a slight disappointment to say the least. This guy though? Never. I'll vote for PecosBill before Gingrich.

[Big Bear]

why the fukk would someone vote for either one of these clowns? I got news for you , no one with the name "Newt" will ever be president.

Ron paul hands down.

[Big Bear]

I really hope rick perry, mitt romney, and newt greengrich are not even choices they are all dooshes

[andywend]

It really doesn't matter what democrats think about Gingrich as their opinions really aren't relevant (the same can be said about republicans and Obama).

With Gingrich, you are getting a man who is far more intelligent than Barack Obama who also has some skeletons in his closet. If Gingrich wins the republican nomination, I expect Obama to REFUSE to participate in any debate where the questions aren't pre-arranged as Obama is terrified of debating Gingrich as Gingrich would wipe the floor with him.

If Gingrich is the GOP nomination, independent swing voters will have to decide how much an individuals personal life should sway them on whether or not they can support that candidate. Clinton getting blown by Monica sure didn't seem to hurt him any but he was already occuping the White House.

I would love the republican party to make the following offer to the democratic party:
We are so terrified of a 2nd Obama administration that we are willing to concede the 2012 presidential election if you can convince Obama to step aside and nominate Hillary Clinton to take his place.

Even though Obama only has a 50/50 shot to win re-election, I would be willing to accept a Hillary Clinton administration right now because she at least has a clue about what shes doing and has done a fine job as Secretary of State.

[smoke a bowl]

It really doesn't matter what democrats think about Gingrich as their opinions really aren't relevant (the same can be said about republicans and Obama).

With Gingrich, you are getting a man who is far more intelligent than Barack Obama who also has some skeletons in his closet. If Gingrich wins the republican nomination, I expect Obama to REFUSE to participate in any debate where the questions aren't pre-arranged as Obama is terrified of debating Gingrich as Gingrich would wipe the floor with him.

If Gingrich is the GOP nomination, independent swing voters will have to decide how much an individuals personal life should sway them on whether or not they can support that candidate. Clinton getting blown by Monica sure didn't seem to hurt him any but he was already occuping the White House.

I would love the republican party to make the following offer to the democratic party:
We are so terrified of a 2nd Obama administration that we are willing to concede the 2012 presidential election if you can convince Obama to step aside and nominate Hillary Clinton to take his place.

Even though Obama only has a 50/50 shot to win re-election, I would be willing to accept a Hillary Clinton administration right now because she at least has a clue about what shes doing and has done a fine job as Secretary of State.

Gingrich couldn't beat Obama in a debate on cow-tipping or square dancing let alone a debate on political matters.

[shari91]

I would love the republican party to make the following offer to the democratic party:
We are so terrified of a 2nd Obama administration that we are willing to concede the 2012 presidential election if you can convince Obama to step aside and nominate Hillary Clinton to take his place.

Even though Obama only has a 50/50 shot to win re-election, I would be willing to accept a Hillary Clinton administration right now because she at least has a clue about what shes doing and has done a fine job as Secretary of State.

I would love Hillary to step up and kick Obama to the curb... after her speech before the UN this week, I think she'd kick Obama's ass at this point - even from people who normally wouldn't vote for a woman. But Bill was the View this week saying she's tired... she's been in and around the White House for 16yrs non stop now and from what the sounds of it, she's not up to fighting him again at this point.

As much as I know some people didn't like Bill as POTUS, he did say a few things - off the cuff - that makes me wish he was a contender again. When asked for something optimistic to say about the state of the US right now (you might want to skip this if you're a doomsdayer like forsberg):

" 1. We still have the biggest economy in the world.

2. Our average workforce is younger than Europe and Japan

3. We have the ability to bring back manufacturing

4. And we have the ability to become more energy independent if we have a serious approach to how we produce and consume energy

And those things, if we just flush this mortgage debt quicker, will bring America back. We'll be fine. People have been counting us out since George Washington fought in the Revolution. Everybody who's bet against America so far has lost money. So what you've got to do is be for things that will bring America back. The most troubling thing today is that we're debating the wrong things ie the Government's bad; the private sector's good. We gotta work together. If we don't, there's no example on Earth of a country who is doing well that is not working together. That's the key. But yes we can come back and you should believe it. It just can't be done the day after tomorrow."

[rkelly110]

I saw that too. If you typed that from memory, you have a good one.

[shari91]

I saw that too. If you typed that from memory, you have a good one.

I watched it too many times I think on tivo *blush*

But that's someone I'd vote for. No matter what party. Someone who can speak from the heart and can rally the 'troops'. Same thing as GWB on 9/11. I was living in FL for his election and 9/11 but I'm obviously not there now... and although I pissed away my vote on Nader in that one (yeah I know), Bush made me so proud that day that my dad was born in the US and I was a citizen. Since then... it's been a bit fortunate that I'm not. But anyone who kicks the US when they're down will have egg on their faces. We just need to find the right person who not only has the brains but the charisma to inspire people. Obama isn't it. Hillary, maybe. But she's not going to do it. Ron isn't really feasible (sorry Philly). Who else is there - give me someone please?!

[andywend]

Bill Clinton was a classic example of a democratic president who was willing to work with the other side to get things done.

There is no way he would have passed legislation socializing our country's medical care without a single republican vote of support.

Bush Jr wanted to privitize small parts of social security and had 6 full years of a republican controlled congress to get it done. However, he ran up against unanimous opposition from the democrats and even though many republicans wanted him to push forward with it, Bush wouldn't do it without at least some democratic party support so the legislation was scrapped.

After Obama passed his Obamacare legislation without a single republican vote of support, I don't see how any democrat can expect the republicans to work with him in a normal manner so he needs to be replaced. Perhaps if Obama's numbers continue to fall, Hillary can be convinced in going after the democratic nomination though she's running out of time.
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But anyone who kicks the US when they're down will have egg on their faces. We just need to find the right person who not only has the brains but the charisma to inspire people. Obama isn't it. Hillary, maybe. But she's not going to do it. Ron isn't really feasible (sorry Philly). Who else is there - give me someone please?!

If America is going to make it all the way back, then all Americans are going to have to do their fair share of the production. Right now, there are far too many able-bodied people living in America collecting government assistance.

No society can flourish when such a large percentage of its people are consuming so much without producing anything.