Ron Paul for President???

**slacker00** · 02-01-12, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Tully Mars 63

On the bright side for Paul fans he'll likely get more delegates over the next week then Newt and Santorium combined. None of the three will likely get any in Florida, which is winner take at, but Paul's recently spent a lot of time in Maine. Maine's not a winner take all state and Paul did pretty well there in 2008. This time around he has a better ground game going and everyone else has been focused on Florida. I don't see him getting the most delegates there but he could.

Yeah, that result in FL was heartbreaking even though I knew he wasn't campaigning there and basically wrote it off. I know it's a winner-take-all state and Ron Paul is spending his money where he can realistically win the most delegates. Hopefully the next week will bring a surge and we can get some major delegates (NV, ME, CO, MN, MO) and open some eyes.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-01-12, 08:48 AM

I was surprise Santorium beat out Paul in Florida. I knew he was going to be whipped but figured he place 3rd not fourth. In Maine Mitts still way ahead but Paul has a good ground game there and a strong following. One draw back is the state is a close caucus meaning only reg. GOP's may vote. The good news for him is the delegates are non-binding, like Iowa, and they may choose who ever they want at the states convention. If Paul's starts getting momentum he could benefit from from non-binding states. I don't see him doing well in Nevada, Mitts way ahead n the polls there and his win in Florida will likely only increase his numbers. He has a decent shot in Minn. they love 3rd party guys, it's open to all voters and his numbers there have been pretty good. Plus, last I saw, Mitt wasn't very well liked. I don't see CO or MO benefiting Paul much if any but there's no pool numbers out that I've see.

**ABEHONEST** · 02-01-12, 04:50 PM

I suppose Paul's idea of "actually" talking to a possible threat [Iran], instead of intimidating them with sanctions, didn't fare so well.

Maybe we should just nuke'em before they nuke us, or Israel. Perfect solution.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-01-12, 10:24 PM

Here's an article that should cheer up Paul fans-

Why Ron Paul could rally in February caucuses

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2012/0201/Why-Ron-Paul-could-rally-in-February-caucuses

Ron Paul has been looking forward to February, when caucus states take center stage on the GOP nominating calendar. Caucuses reward loyalty and Mr. Paul has fervently devoted followers.

This seems to think he's going to do better in CO and MO then I thought but I can't disagree with their logic.

**ABEHONEST** · 02-01-12, 11:13 PM

Tully, you're getting wiser.
These are Paul nuts. Speaking of Paul nuts; whose hand is already there?

**PhillyFlyers** · 02-02-12, 12:16 AM

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**Tully Mars 63** · 02-02-12, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

Tully, you're getting wiser.
These are Paul nuts. Speaking of Paul nuts; whose hand is already there?

Yeah, but I know how this works... the first post I make with neg. info I'm back to not knowing what I'm talking about.

Like pointing out he can win all the caucus states and still lose the nomination. Paul's been spending his time in caucus states which tend to be small, very few are winner take all. I think the largest caucus states have 40 delegates. To win the nomination you need 1144. Paul could win every delegate in every caucus state and still not come close. Paul needs to win in big states. Texas with 155 is, in my opinion, his best shot. It's proportional, his home state and I just don't see Texas voting for Romney in large numbers.

**slacker00** · 02-02-12, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

I suppose Paul's idea of "actually" talking to a possible threat [Iran], instead of intimidating them with sanctions, didn't fare so well.

Maybe we should just nuke'em before they nuke us, or Israel. Perfect solution.

Nuke Israel? Why not North Korea or Pakistan? They've actually got the nukes. Iran doesn't even have them.

**ABEHONEST** · 02-02-12, 10:41 AM

Only using the reverse logic of Ron Paul.

Called sarcasm.

**PhillyFlyers** · 02-02-12, 12:56 PM

Ron Paul: "The Debt Should Be Priority Number One"

Ron Paul: "The Debt Should Be Priority Number One"

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articl...ty-number-one/

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-02-12, 04:41 PM

I see Paul won Arizona's GOP straw poll. I haven't seen it on any news site but Paul's page is reporting it. If not true it would be a huge gaff so I suspect it is true. Az's straw poll doesn't effect the states primary which Romney is likely to win. But it shows Paul's staff understand these caucus and straw polls while the other candidates seemingly ignore them once Iowa's done.

Carter took the WH by hitting the ground hard in states like this back in the late 70's. Of course Dems didn't hate Ol'Jimmy they way mainstream GOP'ers do Paul. So it's kind of a apples and rocket ship comparison.

**slacker00** · 02-03-12, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

Only using the reverse logic of Ron Paul.

Called sarcasm.

Well, that's not sarcasm, nor logic. Keep trying. It is mildly amusing.

It kinda reminds me of one time a kid told me he was going to use reverse-reverse-logic on me. lol

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-04-12, 06:45 AM

In other news... Nevada is rumored to have a caucus today. All the polls have Romney way in the lead with some 40%+ and Newt coming in second around 20% and Rick and Ron both hovering around 10%. Today's a big test for Paul and his supporters. He's apparently decided to focus on a "caucus state strategy." Which is his best option in my opinion at the moment. Caucuses are basically a test of who's supporters are most loyal and most willing to sit around a HS gym until their candidate wins. Paul's supporters are arguably the most loyal, though Mitt will have the Mormon vote locked up and they'll be just as loyal. But Mormons are only about 10% of Nevada voters. I wouldn't be shocked if Paul took 30% of the delegates when the Nevada dust settles.

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**Tully Mars 63** · 02-06-12, 09:54 AM

Paul performed under my expectations in Nevada, my guess is under his as well. I'm surprised Newt beat him out for 2nd.

I went to the Nevada gop's web site to look for results as I couldn't find them anywhere else. The official GOP Nevada site had the candidates listed in this order-

Mitt
Newt
Rick
Ron

And at the time Paul had nearly double Rick's votes and was within a few hundred of Newt. A lot talk here is about how much the media dislikes Paul. It's obivous to me so does the GOP. He'll never be on their ticket, just isn't going to happen.

**BigdaddyQH** · 02-06-12, 11:01 AM

Paul was a major disappointment in Nevada. He basically conceeded that he has no chance of winning the nomination, and that Romney will be the nominee. Paul's problem is that he gets crushed in the South. He has no chance of winning any Southern State. Right now, Romney has 101 delegates either won or committed to him. Paul has 9. The game is over. What you Paul supporters have to decide is whom else to vote for. Do you go Libertarian, basically wasting your vote, or do you vote for one of the two candidates that actually has a chance to win the election. Those of you who opt for voting Libertarian, or writing Paul's name in are just wasting your votes. It is your decision, but if you vote for some thrid party candidate, or write in Paul's name, do not moan and groan and bitch about who wins the election.

**Romocide** · 02-06-12, 11:23 AM

Paul was the only hope for this country as far as the presidency goes. It doesn't matter who we vote for now. Either way we are doomed. Obama and Romney are puppets who will not truly be running the country. People behind the scenes will. So it really doesn't matter what the actual candidates say. Ron Paul got completely shafted by the media. Made out to be a nutjob. That's usually what happens to people who think outside the box in this country. Never will a more honorable man run for president. I guess the majority of Republicans prefer their candidate to have the dishonest, out of touch with the average American slimeball factor going for them. And the fact that Santorum got more votes than Paul in even one state is disgusting.

Wave goodbye to the rest of your personal freedoms guys. They were nice while they lasted and will be missed.

**cant call it** · 02-06-12, 01:17 PM

It matters not who you vote for, but who is counting the votes.

**PhillyFlyers** · 02-07-12, 04:09 PM

**BigdaddyQH** · 02-07-12, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Romocide

Paul was the only hope for this country as far as the presidency goes. It doesn't matter who we vote for now. Either way we are doomed. Obama and Romney are puppets who will not truly be running the country. People behind the scenes will. So it really doesn't matter what the actual candidates say. Ron Paul got completely shafted by the media. Made out to be a nutjob. That's usually what happens to people who think outside the box in this country. Never will a more honorable man run for president. I guess the majority of Republicans prefer their candidate to have the dishonest, out of touch with the average American slimeball factor going for them. And the fact that Santorum got more votes than Paul in even one state is disgusting.

Wave goodbye to the rest of your personal freedoms guys. They were nice while they lasted and will be missed.

Nice try, but can the B.S. Paul has gotten much more T.V. coverage that Santorum. Paul never got "shafted" by the news media that I watch. Paul is just a radical old man who is not in touch with the average American. Paul was NEVER a "hope" for this country. If you really believe that, I have some beach front property in Kansas to sell you. People like yourself have been "doomed" from the beginning because you have absolutely no understanding of how this country is really run. YOU of all people, cannot determine who is or who is not an honorable man. By supporting Paul, you have already demonstrated taht you have no clue as to what "honorable" really means. Paul is the most two faced person in this campaign. He is wasting millions of dollars knowing full well that he never had, does not have, or never will have a chance to be the nominee. That is as two faced and hypocritical as you can get. He suckers people like you, RonPaul2008, Abe, PhillyFlier and others to donate to his campaign, knowing full well that he has no chance. Fools like yourselves jump right in. Maybe Paul will jump off of a cliff and you Paul followers will jum right behind him. Now there would be the best plan Paul ever came up with.

**PhillyFlyers** · 02-07-12, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Nice try, but can the B.S. Paul has gotten much more T.V. coverage that Santorum. Paul never got "shafted" by the news media that I watch. Paul is just a radical old man who is not in touch with the average American. Paul was NEVER a "hope" for this country. If you really believe that, I have some beach front property in Kansas to sell you. People like yourself have been "doomed" from the beginning because you have absolutely no understanding of how this country is really run. YOU of all people, cannot determine who is or who is not an honorable man. By supporting Paul, you have already demonstrated taht you have no clue as to what "honorable" really means. Paul is the most two faced person in this campaign. He is wasting millions of dollars knowing full well that he never had, does not have, or never will have a chance to be the nominee. That is as two faced and hypocritical as you can get. He suckers people like you, RonPaul2008, Abe, PhillyFlier and others to donate to his campaign, knowing full well that he has no chance. Fools like yourselves jump right in. Maybe Paul will jump off of a cliff and you Paul followers will jum right behind him. Now there would be the best plan Paul ever came up with.

Look at this. A worthless scumbag talking about honor. You say Ron Paul isn't honorable? In what universe is he not honorable?

Look at the human feces you support. Gingrich. Santorum. Romney. LMFAO and you have the nerve to talk about Paul?

I've seen everything now.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-08-12, 07:21 AM

So Rick Santorum took three of four states last night gaining a few delegates. NYT this morning is reporting he now has 44, Mitt 91, Newt 29 and Paul 8. Ron's strategy of picking off delegate in caucus states isn't exactly going well. There are 27 allotted delegates in Minn. I think Pauls numbers there should result in him picking up some if not the majority of them... unless the party officials find a way to keep him from gaining them. The GOP primary is looking less and less like who they like more than who they hate the least. So far the only thing that is clear is they seem to hate Paul the most. Maybe Paul should have ran as an independent from the start? He's an outside the box candidate by his own admission. Perhaps he should have gotten completely out of the box?

Once again the winner is Obama.

**ABEHONEST** · 02-08-12, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by PhillyFlyers

The usual, most intelligent answer to our foreign policy. Dead on commonsense from our American hero, Ron Paul.
Why would any sensible American believe there is another possible answer to our pitiful foreign policy?

**wtf** · 02-08-12, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

The usual, most intelligent answer to our foreign policy. Dead on commonsense from our American hero, Ron Paul.
Why would any sensible American believe there is another possible answer to our pitiful foreign policy?

i am starting to believe that the average american wants to go fight these guys in the middle east

or if ron paul looked like brad pitt he would win in a landslide

**DwightShrute** · 02-08-12, 11:09 AM

Paul's speech last night was awesome. I can't believe he sucks at getting votes. Go Paul Go!

**ABEHONEST** · 02-08-12, 12:08 PM

Thank you, my Canadian pal!

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-08-12, 01:57 PM

I don't think making a swing from "empire building" to basically complete isolationism is the best idea when it comes to US foreign policy. Might work... might not. But since Paul's gaining delegates at pretty much same rate as I'm building a fortune buying lottery tickets I doubt we'll ever find out.

**Siddhartha Arya** · 02-08-12, 10:28 PM

It seems from the news articles that it will be decided between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. Ron Paul is almost certainly out of race.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-09-12, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Siddhartha Arya

It seems from the news articles that it will be decided between Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. Ron Paul is almost certainly out of race.

Pretty much, yes. But now Santorum has won three states so he's big news. Never mind that one of those states was a beauty contest (can you believe Rick Santorum won a beauty contest? I'm guessing the judges never googled "Santorum.") Anyway now the news talks about him like he could be the new front runner. Forget he won in states that rarely have any serious affect on the the national level. He has little cash, which we all know is what wins elections, and hasn't had that big cash bomb others received after winning just one state. My guess is big money donors know his wins don't mean much and he's unelectable. I mean the dude took home a still born baby to play with it. Serial killers play with dead babies not serious candidates for the US Presidency.

So yeah I see the race coming down to Mitt or Newt.

**Bill Dozer** · 02-11-12, 03:07 PM

Ron Paul is actually doing OK right now because of how the delegates work. Interesting Maddow video whether you buy it or not.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-11-12, 03:29 PM

Sure... except Paul now has a total of 14 delegates and Romney has 90. In Minn. for example Santorum, who now has a total of 44 delegates, got 17 to Paul's 4. Paul's total is now 14, 3 less then Santorum got in Minn. alone. Paul's strategy is probably pretty solid and his best shot at winning. Only problem is it not working for him. My guess is Ms. Maddow would love to see Paul win the nomination has the numbers show Obama beating him by the largest % (Obama +/- 14% as of the 8th) of any other GOP candidate. Her second choice is likely Santorum, Obama leads him by 12% +/- in the last national poll.

Likely the only GOP currently in the race that stands up to Obama, state to state, by the numbers is Romney.

**Tully Mars 63** · 02-13-12, 06:17 AM

So Maine's in the books... Romney gets 8 delegates and Paul makes a decent showing with 7. When you're down 98 to 20 allowing your opponent one more delegate then you in a state that may have been one of your best shots of gaining ground will not help you.

But no one else even came close. Paul was within 3.5 pts of Mitt, both in the mid to upper 30's. Santorum came in third with 17.7 and Newt was in single digits with and awful showing of 6.3. The media, am guessing will focus on Whitney Houston death and the Maine results will go unnoticed.

**DerekMadden** · 02-13-12, 10:38 AM

To say it simply.. Ron Paul is way too intelligent for the average American.

**ABEHONEST** · 02-13-12, 02:17 PM

A funny an accurate assessment of the race.

An exit speech for the next candidate to call it quits

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**Tully Mars 63** · 02-13-12, 03:05 PM

If true then why aren't his supporters supporting him? He's hovering around 11% of the vote, his high mark was weeks ago at around 22%. Or is the sad truth his supporters like him but there's just not enough of them?