Phillies overrated?

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by beerman2619

Madson as good as Kimbrel

Basardo as good as Oflaherty

stutes just as good as venters

Well, madson has 14 saves with 1 blown save with a 2.25 era this year... kimbrel has 18 saves with 5 blown and 3.19 era... so yes, edge to madson..

bastardo has a 1.14 era with a .97 whip this year... oflaherty has a 1.52 era with a 1.15 whip... both have been great, but again, yes the edge goes to bastardo

venters is definately better then stutes

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

dlunc will argue with you even if your right he acts like hes 18 or younger

where am i not agreeing that you are right? ill say venters is a stud and call things how i see them based on stats.. I dont just pull things out of my a$$

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:13 PM

kimbrel had a brutal week gave up like 6 or 7 earned runs with a couple blown saves

other than that he's been great

venters should take the closers job

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:15 PM

im not saying kimbrel is bad, he definately will be good... but madson is better at this point

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

where am i not agreeing that you are right? ill say venters is a stud and call things how i see them based on stats.. I dont just pull things out of my a$$

you argue almost anything anyone says even if that person is 100 % right

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by BrigadierPudding

Career ERA: Hamels 3.50 Jurrjens 3.41 Hamels' ERA through his age 25 season was 3.67. You've been thoroughly owned in this thread. It's pretty embarrassing.you look like a fukin fool

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:18 PM

what have i argued against that was right? I base everything on stats and history... cant argue with facts

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

post season is what matters.. hamels has a WS ring and a WS MVP trophy ... when jurrjens has either one, come talk to me.. I am willing to make a bet that hamels will have a better year then jurrjens will from here on out no doubt about it

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

what have i argued against that was right? I base everything on stats and history... cant argue with facts

either me or someone else has to correct you on almost everything you say its pretty funny actually. im just playin around but you take everything so seriously.

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

post season is what matters.. hamels has a WS ring and a WS MVP trophy ... when jurrjens has either one, come talk to me.. I am willing to make a bet that hamels will have a better year then jurrjens will from here on out no doubt about it

so does renteria and fukin david ekstein whats your point he pitched well for 2 games?

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:25 PM

he is 8-2 with a 2.58 era and will finish the season with better numbers then jurrjens

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

either me or someone else has to correct you on almost everything you say its pretty funny actually. im just playin around but you take everything so seriously.

you brought this thread back up... then that moron tried to say jurrjens is better then roy halladay.. obviously anyone with a brain would argue against that

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:27 PM

everything i have said has been based off of stats and history, so there is nothing anyone can correct me on when it is all fact

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

he is 8-2 with a 2.58 era and will finish the season with better numbers then jurrjens

see atleast when i say something i dont make up what i think is gonna happen in the future

how do you know?

jurrjens already beat the phils twice and i believe he beat hammels on sunday night baseball actually i think the braves beat him twice (but im not 100% sure on that)

**stevenash** · 06-10-11, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

oh and lance berkman is better then pujols right? or is that situation different?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't read all 340 some odd posts here, but did somebody really say this?
I am no fan of Pujols, but the dude is one of the five greatest hitters of this generation.

Now the Braves are not as good as the Phils, but they have more than enough pitching to beat any team in a seven game set if two of their four starters get hot for a week or two.

I didn't say will, I said can.

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

you brought this thread back up... then that moron tried to say jurrjens is better then roy halladay.. obviously anyone with a brain would argue against that

noone is better than halladay

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't read all 340 some odd posts here, but did somebody really say this?
I am no fan of Pujols, but the dude is one of the five greatest hitters of this generation.

Now the Braves are not as good as the Phils, but they have more than enough pitching to beat any team in a seven game set if two of their four starters get hot for a week or two.

I didn't say will, I said can.

no noone said that, but he said that jurrjens is a better player then halladay bc he has had a better yr so far this year.. so might as well say berkman is better then pujols bc he is having a better year

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

everything i have said has been based off of stats and history, so there is nothing anyone can correct me on when it is all fact

like berkman is better than pujols

like hammels will end up with the cy young (how the fuk do you know that)

like hammels will have a better year than jurrjens ( how the fuk do you know that)

shit like this makes you sound fukin stupid

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't read all 340 some odd posts here, but did somebody really say this?
I am no fan of Pujols, but the dude is one of the five greatest hitters of this generation.

Now the Braves are not as good as the Phils, but they have more than enough pitching to beat any team in a seven game set if two of their four starters get hot for a week or two.

I didn't say will, I said can.

you will notice that guys in this thread like to define their favorite players on a whole based on two months of a season

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by dlunc3

no noone said that, but he said that jurrjens is a better player then halladay bc he has had a better yr so far this year.. so might as well say berkman is better then pujols bc he is having a better year

i said noone is better than halladay

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

noone is better than halladay

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

i said noone is better than halladay

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

like berkman is better than pujols

like hammels will end up with the cy young (how the fuk do you know that)

like hammels will have a better year than jurrjens ( how the fuk do you know that)

shit like this makes you sound fukin stupid

I was not the one that said he would win the cy young today, that was another poster (even tho i think he will be in the running)... and I said I am willing to bet that he will have a better year--completely 100% by biased opinion

I did not say berkman was better then pujols.... that is absolutely insane-- your buddy beerman was basically saying that bc he was ranking players according to their stats after two months of baseball

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

i said noone is better than halladay

not you... was referring to Beerman.. he said that jurrjens is better then halladay

**stevenash** · 06-10-11, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

i said noone is better than halladay

He looked razor sharp to me tonight, not even a Phil fan, but when you talk the games premier aces, you have to start with him, you can throw Tim in the mix, even CC, but you have to start with Doc.

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

He looked razor sharp to me tonight, not even a Phil fan, but when you talk the games premier aces, you have to start with him, you can throw Tim in the mix, even CC, but you have to start with Doc.

i agree

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:38 PM

doc has been one of my fav pitchers since he was drafted

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by beerman2619

Halladay over Jurrjens . Jurrjens 8-2 with an era of 1.56 Cy young front runner. Halladay 8-3 era of 2.56. Quit living in the past kid now lets move on.

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:39 PM

beerman had a few too many

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by BRAVES1985

doc has been one of my fav pitchers since he was drafted

no doubt, he is a stud.. i think our lineup can be a joke at times like last yrs nlcs.. but if the cliff lee of the last few playoffs shows up, the hamels of 2008 playoffs (like he is pitching like now), along with halladay... i do think it will be tough to beat this team.. its all gonna come down to if the bats can put up more then 2 runs which is definately a question sometimes.. if not, braves, giants or even cards could easily beat this team

**BRAVES1985** · 06-10-11, 10:45 PM

brewers gotta be in the mix as well

**dlunc3** · 06-10-11, 10:48 PM

yea definately.. i liked them a lot coming into the season.. great hitting and bringing in marcum and greinke was huge

**beerman2619** · 06-11-11, 12:23 AM

If you base things on stats then Jair is better then Halladay right now dlunc. Not saying that will last or maybe it will son we will see.

**beerman2619** · 06-11-11, 12:25 AM

Just like you bringing up the stats on the bullpen 2 months into season. If you really believe the Phillies bullpen is better then the Braves i say you are on crack. Bottom line Braves lead the league in total era will this last will see son.

**InTheDrink** · 06-15-11, 07:09 AM

Phillies still on pace for 99 wins and their lead is growing.

Looks like it's the Braves who were overrated.

**BRAVES1985** · 06-15-11, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Phillies still on pace for 99 wins and their lead is growing. Looks like it's the Braves who were overrated.

braves weren't expected to win the east

phils were suppose to win by 15 games