Obama Wants To Be Added To Mount Rushmore

[andywend]

We don't have anywhere near as many problems here so there's not much to talk about Andy.

We are more "socialist" and things are good. Everyone gets healthcare...citizens fought for it from the same people that are fighting to keep the status quo in the US right now.

Tsonga, the quality of healthcare you receive under your socialist medical care system is FAR WORSE than what 85% of the U.S. population currently receives.

When it comes to family practice/internal medicine type care, I am willing to admit that socialized medicine probably works better than the system currently in place in the U.S.

As long as you never get seriously ill, socialized medicine works great. The problem comes when you need highly specialized medical care and its in this area where socialized medicine falls far, far short.

The quality of medical care delivered in the U.S. is far, far superior to your system. The problem is it costs a lot more and many Americans can NOT afford it. This is why the affluent citizens of YOUR COUNTRY come to the U.S. when they get really sick.

I completely understand why you so strongly support socializing my country's medical care system. You are enraged that Americans can go get an MRI without having to wait 6 months or a year. You are enraged that Americans can go to a specialist on a moments notice and find out they need knee surgery on a Wednesday, go in for the surgery that Friday and be almost fully recovered by the following Monday. In your country under your medical care system, those options simply aren't available to you.

Instead of trying to tear apart my country's medical care system, why don't you re-direct that energy into trying to improve YOUR COUNTRY'S medical care system.

Unlike you Tsonga, I am not a petty, selfish individual. I want you to have all the wondeful medical care options that I currently enjoy with the understanding that these options come with a heavy price tag. Most hard-working Americans are willing to do without the new car or annual family vacation to pay for the highest quality medical care should the need arise.

What good is money if you're extremely sick?

[Tsonga]

andywend plagiarized his own in-bred republican consipary theorists. He stole this quote

Just because he graduated from Harvard Law School magna *** laude doesn’t mean BO had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa *** laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. Theoretically, he could have had a C average.

off of texas1willy2 who probably stole it off someone before that.

This is the insular self-fulfilling world of the right wing nut jobs. It becomes an echo chamber for their own crazy theories...thankfully they only get play in these kinds of forums and not on major outlets (outside of fox of course).

here's the link to andywend's quote snatching. http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f54/sa...15/index4.html

[andywend]

The link you provided shows how you were grasping at straws, and you did the search " Harvard inflates grades" ,and your reference does not even back up your claim.

You need to find evidence first, then make up your mind. Not the other way around.

I am NOT the one grasping at straws as OBAMA HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ACTUAL GRADES. Until he does so, no comparisons can be made as to how well he actually performed in college.

With that being said, college performance is extremely overrated and the last thing I would want to see happen is for our country to elect a president who graduated at the top of his class at an institution like Harvard. People like that will NEVER admit they are wrong and probably aren't very good at listening to the opinions of others.

andywend plagiarized his own in-bred republican consipary theorists. He stole this quote

Quote:
Just because he graduated from Harvard Law School magna *** laude doesn’t mean BO had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa *** laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. Theoretically, he could have had a C average.

Tsonga, I realize you are an individual of extremely limited intelligence but even someone with an IQ of 50 would realize that my post #101 was a copy and paste. You truly deserve the low quality medical care your system provides. When the time comes where you get really sick, if you have the nerve to come to the U.S. to get treatment, heres hoping you get shot on sight.

[DwightShrute]

very fair and accurate post Andy. My Dad had to wait nearly 11 months for an MRI in Vacouver

[andywend]

very fair and accurate post Andy. My Dad had to wait nearly 11 months for an MRI in Vacouver

Dwight, that is absolutely terrible. I have no doubt your Dad went through a lot of unnecessary pain during those 11 months while waiting to get his MRI. Here in the U.S., your Dad would have gotten his MRI within a week or 2 (even sooner if he really needed it).

If Obama and those horrible liberal democratic politicians get their way, most Americans will experience similar wait times if not worse once ObamaCare is fully implemented.

People like Tsonga deserve to be treated like pigs but its a shame that good people like your father are harmed by the irresponsible decisions of liberal socialists.

[Tsonga]

Tsonga, the quality of healthcare you receive under your socialist medical care system is FAR WORSE than what 85% of the U.S. population currently receives.

When it comes to family practice/internal medicine type care, I am willing to admit that socialized medicine probably works better than the system currently in place in the U.S.

As long as you never get seriously ill, socialized medicine works great. The problem comes when you need highly specialized medical care and its in this area where socialized medicine falls far, far short.

The quality of medical care delivered in the U.S. is far, far superior to your system. The problem is it costs a lot more and many Americans can NOT afford it. This is why the affluent citizens of YOUR COUNTRY come to the U.S. when they get really sick.

I completely understand why you so strongly support socializing my country's medical care system. You are enraged that Americans can go get an MRI without having to wait 6 months or a year. You are enraged that Americans can go to a specialist on a moments notice and find out they need knee surgery on a Wednesday, go in for the surgery that Friday and be almost fully recovered by the following Monday. In your country under your medical care system, those options simply aren't available to you.

Instead of trying to tear apart my country's medical care system, why don't you re-direct that energy into trying to improve YOUR COUNTRY'S medical care system.

Unlike you Tsonga, I am not a petty, selfish individual. I want you to have all the wondeful medical care options that I currently enjoy with the understanding that these options come with a heavy price tag. Most hard-working Americans are willing to do without the new car or annual family vacation to pay for the highest quality medical care should the need arise.

What good is money if you're extremely sick?

This will be my last post of the night...Andy - you don't know anything about Canadian health care outside of what your republican friends tell you about. I realize that some Canadians (with $$$) decide to go the States to get quick health care done...in Canada it goes by a need basis and if you are rich that will not get you to the front of the line...only being really sick does.

What good is money if you're extremely sick?

The rich like it this way....$ can get them great health care in the states.

Unlike you Tsonga, I am not a petty, selfish individual.

Canadians decided to give universal health care to the entire country because of the fact that they are not selfish.

No Canadians have to do without a new car or family vacation to pay fro their health care.

and its not 6 months for an mri.

I've said it once and i'll say it again...the US has great health care if you are rich, in the military, or if you are a federal employee who gets government provided health care.

[Tsonga]

Tsonga, I realize you are an individual of extremely limited intelligence but even someone with an IQ of 50 would realize that my post #101 was a copy and paste. You truly deserve the low quality medical care your system provides. When the time comes where you get really sick, if you have the nerve to come to the U.S. to get treatment, heres hoping you get shot on sight.

Your grammar is awful, you have no clue, you obviously are unfamiliar with quotation marks, and you have some serious issues.

[andywend]

I've said it once and i'll say it again...the US has great health care if you are rich, in the military, or if you are a federal employee who gets government provided health care.

I admit I don't know the specific "ins and outs" of your Canadian health care system and can only gain knowledge based on what I read about it.

On that note, you clearly do NOT KNOW very much about my medical care system either as your above statement is totally incorrect.

The middle class (even lower middle class) enjoys almost full access to my medical care system and it will be this group of people that suffers the most if ObamaCare becomes a reality. The democratic party is ABSOLUTE POISON to the middle class in my country.

Tsonga, at the end of the day when it comes to medical care, I am flying first class and you are in the economy section and that is exactly the way it should be.

[DwightShrute]

Andy, you made fair and accurate comments and I agree with your other comment also which only proves that your are a fair minded common sense fellow ...

When it comes to family practice/internal medicine type care, I am willing to admit that socialized medicine probably works better than the system currently in place in the U.S

[Cougar Bait]

Helped health care [Even if I would have preferred a Public Option].

Gave women more equal pay protection.

Gave us the stimulus bill that economists credit as keeping us out of a depression.

Put much needed restraints on Wall Street.

Saved the American automobile industry.

Successfully negotiated the START Treaty with Russia.

Reached a major deal with South Korea just last week.

Pretty soon, will maintain tax cuts for all brackets.


Not bad for 2 years.

Saved the automobile industry? Really? Take a look at Ford. They took no government money and are in quite a bit better shape because they didn't. The START treaty? Yeah, great idea. Obama is full of it. We are not at war with Russia are we? If Russia is our friend why do they need us to cut our nuclear arsenal? Can you answer that? Why are we talking about a peace treaty? It makes no sense whatsoever to sign a peace treaty with Russia when they are our ally.

And, don't get me started on the useless stimulus bill. I could give you 900 things that we could have spent the money on that would have been better than a grant ($2 million) for robot bees "robobees" the miniature flying robot bees, a storytelling festival in Utah, a University in Indiana studying why young men do not like to wear condoms ($221,355), Investing in nation-wide wind power (but majority of money has gone to foreign companies) ($2 billion), Researching how paying attention improves performance of difficult tasks in Connecticut ($850,000) (NO KIDDING!), a Minnesota theatre named after Che Guevara putting on "socially conscious" puppet shows ($25,000)...it's endless

I could literally go on forever about how bad that was...and the best part? The economy is STILL HORRIBLE! Unemployment in my city is 18%. No joke. I realize that is higher than the national average, but that is insane. Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand much less the US government, and it's obvious. He has no business experience whatsoever and either do the people around him. He's clueless. I couldn't stand Bush, but I REALLY can not wait to get rid of this clown.

[pavyracer]

George W Bush wanted to be added to Mount Rushmore too but they told him he has to carve the granite by himself else no deal.

[The Madcap]

This will be my last post of the night...Andy - you don't know anything about Canadian health care outside of what your republican friends tell you about. I realize that some Canadians (with $$$) decide to go the States to get quick health care done...in Canada it goes by a need basis and if you are rich that will not get you to the front of the line...only being really sick does.

The rich like it this way....$ can get them great health care in the states.


Canadians decided to give universal health care to the entire country because of the fact that they are not selfish.

No Canadians have to do without a new car or family vacation to pay fro their health care.

and its not 6 months for an mri.

I've said it once and i'll say it again...the US has great health care if you are rich, in the military, or if you are a federal employee who gets government provided health care.

You're right, it's not 6 months for an MRI in Canada---unless you live in Newfoundland, then it's 7 months.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html

And the median wait is TEN WEEKS!!!

That's over 3 months man. And that's the median.

I just had to get an MRI. Once the Doc suggested we do it, it took me ONE WEEK to get it done. Was it free? No. It cost me $900.00, but they would have let me pay it off $25-50 a month if need be. I paid for it upfront, because I save my money like a responsible adult.

Waiting three months to get an MRI almost defeats the purpose. It might tell you what happened, but it isn't going to help you fix it. By then so much scar tissue will have built up that going in and removing it is going to be twice as expensive and half as effective as whatever treatment you would have gotten had you got the MRI soon after the incident.

Face it Tsonga, your health care system is a failure when it comes to this type of thing. Do I wish I hadn't had to pay $900.00? Sure. Was that $900 worth not having to wait another 3-4 months? You're DAMN RIGHT.

You want your system, fine, keep it. But don't go telling us how to live our lives. Take off hoser.

[itchypickle]

I'll make some comments regarding the discussion on federal health care goes. It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread! I've been through the days of Tricare, both standard and prime, as well as Champus and the rest from the Army and VA. Sure it's pretty much free and the prescriptions and dental are cost effective as well.....but overall standard....nope nope and nope. I maintain VA benefits but have myself and wife and daughter with Blue Cross Blue Shield...don't mind paying the extra for the quality of care and accessibility. For one thing....the red tape with govt care is a nightmare....and considering the small % of Americans who utilize it...no way would it be successful as nationwide universal care.
If you have a traumatic injury...absolutely you are in great hands with military Drs...otherwise you might as well log onto WebMD and treat yourself. You also are extremely limited to the sites that you can seek treatment. Even then, if you are enrolled in one Tricare region...and are traveling....you have hell to go through to be seen and treated in another region. The overall implementation is jacked up as well....there are no specialists at many posts to see the members or there family....these services are contracted out to pricate practices. As recently as last year, Ft Benning's hospital did not even have a chiropractor for crying out loud. You had private practitioners running to the gates to try and be the sole provider....but the Govt said it wasn't necessary....meanwhile these same Drs charged the soldier/family member a 'discounted fee' on top of the accepted Tricare coverage. For those who aren't familiar with Ft Benning and don't see how irresponsible this is...Benning has the most back injuries of any other post in the U.S......but the govt run admin people don't look at that.
I just realized I'm being long winded, but this topic gets me going....sorry guys....I'll just finish with family coverage that includes charging extra for a 'universal' upgrade you must pay to be seen at a non-military office. Anyone ever have, or talked to someone who has....gave birth to a child at one of the facilities? That's another issue.
No doubt in my mind overall ease and quality would decline SIGNIFICANTLY with a govt ran or public option, whichever buzz word you attach to it.
Don't forget, all who like Canada's system, Canada has a population of what 30-35 million as opposed to 300+million U.S.?? Try explaining how that would be paid for with no huge additional expense burden? In other words, if you gave me $500 and told me to take 3 people out for dinner of their choice....they'd be happy eaters.....but tell me to feed 300 on that same $500....uh ohhh!

[The Madcap]

I'll make some comments regarding the discussion on federal health care goes. It's not the greatest thing since sliced bread! I've been through the days of Tricare, both standard and prime, as well as Champus and the rest from the Army and VA. Sure it's pretty much free and the prescriptions and dental are cost effective as well.....but overall standard....nope nope and nope. I maintain VA benefits but have myself and wife and daughter with Blue Cross Blue Shield...don't mind paying the extra for the quality of care and accessibility. For one thing....the red tape with govt care is a nightmare....and considering the small % of Americans who utilize it...no way would it be successful as nationwide universal care.
If you have a traumatic injury...absolutely you are in great hands with military Drs...otherwise you might as well log onto WebMD and treat yourself. You also are extremely limited to the sites that you can seek treatment. Even then, if you are enrolled in one Tricare region...and are traveling....you have hell to go through to be seen and treated in another region. The overall implementation is jacked up as well....there are no specialists at many posts to see the members or there family....these services are contracted out to pricate practices. As recently as last year, Ft Benning's hospital did not even have a chiropractor for crying out loud. You had private practitioners running to the gates to try and be the sole provider....but the Govt said it wasn't necessary....meanwhile these same Drs charged the soldier/family member a 'discounted fee' on top of the accepted Tricare coverage. For those who aren't familiar with Ft Benning and don't see how irresponsible this is...Benning has the most back injuries of any other post in the U.S......but the govt run admin people don't look at that.
I just realized I'm being long winded, but this topic gets me going....sorry guys....I'll just finish with family coverage that includes charging extra for a 'universal' upgrade you must pay to be seen at a non-military office. Anyone ever have, or talked to someone who has....gave birth to a child at one of the facilities? That's another issue.
No doubt in my mind overall ease and quality would decline SIGNIFICANTLY with a govt ran or public option, whichever buzz word you attach to it.
Don't forget, all who like Canada's system, Canada has a population of what 30-35 million as opposed to 300+million U.S.?? Try explaining how that would be paid for with no huge additional expense burden? In other words, if you gave me $500 and told me to take 3 people out for dinner of their choice....they'd be happy eaters.....but tell me to feed 300 on that same $500....uh ohhh!

Not to mention the fact that Canada's national debt is around 80% of their GDP. Ours is more like 50%.

Even they admit their system is "imploding."

http://www.yukon-news.com/news/15368/

http://www.peterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=1041320

[Tsonga]

No doubt in my mind overall ease and quality would decline SIGNIFICANTLY with a govt ran or public option, whichever buzz word you attach to it.
Don't forget, all who like Canada's system, Canada has a population of what 30-35 million as opposed to 300+million U.S.?? Try explaining how that would be paid for with no huge additional expense burden? In other words, if you gave me $500 and told me to take 3 people out for dinner of their choice....they'd be happy eaters.....but tell me to feed 300 on that same $500....uh ohhh!

I appreciate the fact that you actually give specific examples of health care in the US. I don't think that the overall quality would decline SIGNIFICANTLY if government ran a public option. The facts don't back that up.

I understand that Canada has far less people than the United States but your example doesn’t work in my opinion. The additional expense burden you mention is paid for by more people paying into health care through taxes. A strong single payer health care system reduces costs.


For profit-health care does not match up to not-for profit health care. I could give you many many examples. From medical journals, studies, and anecdotes which are the most popular form of evidence here.



In the Journal of the American Medical Association, they researched "Quality of Care in Investor-Owned vs. Not for profit HMO's". This was done by two professors of medicine at Harvard Medical School. They found that there would be an extra 5,925 breast cancer deaths in the US if the remaining 25 percent of HMO's that still operate on a non-profit were to become for profit. There are tons of examples like this. The reason is that for profit health care cuts corners, hires less qualified staff, hires health aides instead of qualified nurses...the list is endless.

[Turd Ferguson]

Dig up Ronald Reagan he would straighten this out

They already did!

[Tsonga]

http://www.peterboroughexaminer.com/...true&e=1041320

You quote the Canadian Medical Association which is the same organization who fought against universal health care in Canada from the beginning. They funded the opposition to health care across Canada in 1966 before Canada had the system that they do now. Doctors want the for-profit model because it profits their pocketbook. The Canadian public thankfully won that debate. The American Medical Association was helping them (CMA) as well as the Chambers of Commerce, private drug companies, and right wing newspapers. Does this sound at all familiar to you?

The president of the CMA does not represent Canadian citizens or popular opinion in the country. The newspapers you quoted are small town papers as well. Not exactly good sources there.

Here is a quote from wikipedia citing different polls done on the topic.

“A 2009 Harris/Decima poll found 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada[7] while a Strategic Counsel survey in 2008 found 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.[8]”

I have never met any Canadian that has wished we had the health care system of the US. Ever. I have met lots of Americans that have said they wish they had ours.

Here is what Amercians think of their health care. “A 2003 Gallup poll found only 25% of Americans are either "very" or "somewhat" satisfied with "the availability of affordable health care in the nation," versus 50% of those in the UK and 57% of Canadians. Those "very dissatisfied" made up 44% of Americans, 25% of respondents of Britons, and 17% of Canadians.[10]”


This should clear up the MRI thing that you are grossly misinformed about. The fact that you can find Shrute’s dad who supposedly waited 11 months is just an anecdote.

The median wait time for diagnostic services such as MRI and CAT scans [51] is two weeks with 86.4% waiting less than 90 days.[50

[Tsonga]

I admit I don't know the specific "ins and outs" of your Canadian health care system and can only gain knowledge based on what I read about it.

On that note, you clearly do NOT KNOW very much about my medical care system either as your above statement is totally incorrect.

The middle class (even lower middle class) enjoys almost full access to my medical care system and it will be this group of people that suffers the most if ObamaCare becomes a reality. The democratic party is ABSOLUTE POISON to the middle class in my country.

Tsonga, at the end of the day when it comes to medical care, I am flying first class and you are in the economy section and that is exactly the way it should be.

How are you flying first class? You mean you pay way too much for health care?

I know a lot about your medical system...and its history. That happens to be an area I am studying right now.

The democratic party is ABSOLUTE POISON to the middle class in my country.

How?

Here is a quote from the American Journal of American Medical Association. 2300 doctors from Massachusetts signed this. This is a quote. Ask me at the end if I'm jealous of your system,

" The time we are allowed to spend with the sick shrinks under the pressure to increase throughput, as though we were dealing with the industrial commodities rather than afflicted human beings...Physicians and nurses are being prodded by threats an bribes to abdicate allegiance to patients and to shun the sickest, who may be unprofitable. Some of us risk being fired or 'delisted' for giving, or even discussing, expensive services, and many are offered bonuses for minimizing care."

This is just one example...this is not my opinion. This is from doctors in your country.

You are flying first class in regards to health care in the US as long as you are rich, or work for a good company...or maybe even the government. That we can agree on.

[DwightShrute]

This should clear up the MRI thing that you are grossly misinformed about. The fact that you can find Shrute’s dad who supposedly waited 11 months is just an anecdote.

A. I never once said ALL Canadians wait 11 months but my Dad did and I know because I was visiting for nearly 6 months in 2007.
B.Remember, You are the one that claims no Canadian you know pays even 1 cent for healthcare. I am not calling you a liar but that is not the truth so you are misinformed. Again.

[itchypickle]

I appreciate the fact that you actually give specific examples of health care in the US. I don't think that the overall quality would decline SIGNIFICANTLY if government ran a public option. The facts don't back that up.

I understand that Canada has far less people than the United States but your example doesn’t work in my opinion. The additional expense burden you mention is paid for by more people paying into health care through taxes. A strong single payer health care system reduces costs.


For profit-health care does not match up to not-for profit health care. I could give you many many examples. From medical journals, studies, and anecdotes which are the most popular form of evidence here.



In the Journal of the American Medical Association, they researched "Quality of Care in Investor-Owned vs. Not for profit HMO's". This was done by two professors of medicine at Harvard Medical School. They found that there would be an extra 5,925 breast cancer deaths in the US if the remaining 25 percent of HMO's that still operate on a non-profit were to become for profit. There are tons of examples like this. The reason is that for profit health care cuts corners, hires less qualified staff, hires health aides instead of qualified nurses...the list is endless.

The new taxes are the problem. To add the 35-50 million people here in the U.S. who are reported to not have coverage would be grossly expensive and who do you think would bare the brunt of this? People who ALREADY pay to have themselves insured will have to now pay for other people. Think about it, if there are people who are barely getting by on the current income or tax bracket they fall in, and are behind on bills....where are THEY magically going to have a few hundred extra bucks to pay into this? They won't....it will be billed to someone else.

[Tsonga]

A. I never once said ALL Canadians wait 11 months but my Dad did and I know because I was visiting for nearly 6 months in 2007.
B.Remember, You are the one that claims no Canadian you know pays even 1 cent for healthcare. I am not calling you a liar but that is not the truth so you are misinformed. Again.

I was pointing out the fact that your anecdote about your father waiting 11 months was irrelevant to the facts...and was meant to make Canadian health care look terrible.

We have gone through point B before. Yes. You supposedly live in BC (which i don't believe) which is a little different than the majority of the country. The point is that we all pay for health care through our taxes...not our credit cards on a pay per visit basis.

[DwightShrute]

I was pointing out the fact that your anecdote about your father waiting 11 months was irrelevant to the facts...and was meant to make Canadian health care look terrible.

We have gone through point B before. Yes. You supposedly live in BC (which i don't believe) which is a little different than the majority of the country. The point is that we all pay for health care through our taxes...not our credit cards on a pay per visit basis.

Sounds like you "don't believe" much when it goes against your point. Ok, I won't bring up your health care in accuracy again. We all make mistakes eh.

I don't live in BC anymore. I live in Central America. I grew up in BC and own property there as well in the States.

[Tsonga]

Sounds like you "don't believe" much when it goes against your point. Ok, I won't bring up your health care in accuracy again. We all make mistakes eh.

I don't live in BC anymore. I love is Central America. I grew up in BC and own property there as well in the States.

While some Canadians might say 'eh'. None of them would write that way - stop trying to look Canadian.

What the heck does

"I love is Central America".

Do you mean you live in Central America? Man...you said you owned a business? there is no way you are university educated.

[Tsonga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWuM2iVVtaA&feature=channel

a good video on health care.

[DwightShrute]

While some Canadians might say 'eh'. None of them would write that way - stop trying to look Canadian.

What the heck does Do you mean you live in Central America? Man...you said you owned a business? there is no way you are university educated.

Thanks for pointing out the spelling error. Amazing how you can determine education levels from a simple typo. You are amazing for sure. We spell it eh and I have never seen it spelled any other way. How do you spell eh?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/index.html

http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment_200/236c_top_10_list.html

does it get tiring being wrong all the time, eh?

[pavyracer]

What does eh mean in Canadian?

[DwightShrute]

What does eh mean in Canadian?

take off hoser

[pavyracer]

what does take off hoser mean in Canadian?

[DwightShrute]

what does take off hoser mean in Canadian?

GRRR this how I feel right now eh

[Hotdiggity11]

Saved the automobile industry? Really? Take a look at Ford. They took no government money and are in quite a bit better shape because they didn't. The START treaty? Yeah, great idea. Obama is full of it. We are not at war with Russia are we? If Russia is our friend why do they need us to cut our nuclear arsenal? Can you answer that? Why are we talking about a peace treaty? It makes no sense whatsoever to sign a peace treaty with Russia when they are our ally.

And, don't get me started on the useless stimulus bill. I could give you 900 things that we could have spent the money on that would have been better than a grant ($2 million) for robot bees "robobees" the miniature flying robot bees, a storytelling festival in Utah, a University in Indiana studying why young men do not like to wear condoms ($221,355), Investing in nation-wide wind power (but majority of money has gone to foreign companies) ($2 billion), Researching how paying attention improves performance of difficult tasks in Connecticut ($850,000) (NO KIDDING!), a Minnesota theatre named after Che Guevara putting on "socially conscious" puppet shows ($25,000)...it's endless

I could literally go on forever about how bad that was...and the best part? The economy is STILL HORRIBLE! Unemployment in my city is 18%. No joke. I realize that is higher than the national average, but that is insane. Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand much less the US government, and it's obvious. He has no business experience whatsoever and either do the people around him. He's clueless. I couldn't stand Bush, but I REALLY can not wait to get rid of this clown.

1. Quite frankly, I was opposed to the automotive bailout when it occurred. I saw no reasons for it.

On the other hand, it did turn out to be a success which is why I put it on the list.


2. Last I checked, we don't make treaties with anyone but our friends. And yes, it is a big deal for us to know about the Russian nuclear arsenal considering they are the only country that is competitive with us in that market. BTW, it's not a "peace treaty." It is a nuclear pact treaty.

3. The stimulus has been recognized by numerous economists as being successful in preventing a depression. Regardless of what irrelevant small pieces of the bill you wish to point out. It also gave us the largest tax relief in U.S. history.

[Tsonga]

Thanks for pointing out the spelling error. Amazing how you can determine education levels from a simple typo. You are amazing for sure. We spell it eh and I have never seen it spelled any other way. How do you spell eh?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/index.html

http://ca.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment_200/236c_top_10_list.html

does it get tiring being wrong all the time, eh?

You misinterpreted me. I wasn't disputing the spelling of eh. I was just saying that no-one writes with it unless they are 'trying to look Canadian'...like you.

I have never in all my life heard anyone in Canada say hoser. Ever. Never even had a talk about it.

My point about spelling was that stupid sentence of yours ("i like is central america"). Typo is not an excuse because nothing was spelled wrong...and k is nowhere near v - and s is nowhere near n on a keyboard.

you just can't seem to put a few logical things together.

I see you edited it out now. At least you finally admit that you are not Canadian...at least that is relieving.

[Andy117]

Saved the automobile industry? Really? Take a look at Ford. They took no government money and are in quite a bit better shape because they didn't. The START treaty? Yeah, great idea. Obama is full of it. We are not at war with Russia are we? If Russia is our friend why do they need us to cut our nuclear arsenal? Can you answer that? Why are we talking about a peace treaty? It makes no sense whatsoever to sign a peace treaty with Russia when they are our ally.

George HW Bush is in favor of START.

[Tsonga]

The new taxes are the problem. To add the 35-50 million people here in the U.S. who are reported to not have coverage would be grossly expensive and who do you think would bare the brunt of this? People who ALREADY pay to have themselves insured will have to now pay for other people. Think about it, if there are people who are barely getting by on the current income or tax bracket they fall in, and are behind on bills....where are THEY magically going to have a few hundred extra bucks to pay into this? They won't....it will be billed to someone else.

I'll give you credit as being one of the few 'thinking' republican backers here.

Canadians have decided that they are ok with paying for other people's gain.

Comparing the two countries you will see that Canada has the US beat on life expectancy (81.3 -78.1) , infant mortality rate (4.5-6.9), health costs paid by government (69%-45%).

Look at the cost of care too...Per capita expenditure on health care. Canada 3895, US - 7290

Health Care cost per GDP - Canada - 10.1 US - 16

US spends more and gets less.

[DwightShrute]

You misinterpreted me. I wasn't disputing the spelling of eh. I was just saying that no-one writes with it unless they are 'trying to look Canadian'...like you.

I have never in all my life heard anyone in Canada say hoser. Ever. Never even had a talk about it.

My point about spelling was that stupid sentence of yours ("i like is central america"). Typo is not an excuse because nothing was spelled wrong...and k is nowhere near v - and s is nowhere near n on a keyboard.

you just can't seem to put a few logical things together.

I see you edited it out now. At least you finally admit that you are not Canadian...at least that is relieving.

I said EH as an obviously friendly comment and you took it as something other than it was. You do this a lot. My fault for trying to be friendly with a lunatic know-it-all who knows very little about things while pretending to know a lot.

Just look at the recent posts you posted/replied to me.

• You pretend to be smarter than you are.
• You assume you can determine someone's education level
• you are misinformed about Canada's health care system and still won't admit it.
• you assume, again wrong, I was 'trying to look Canadian' when I was just extending a friendly greeting (in fun).
• to top it off, your last sentence in bold lettering ... At least you finally admit that you are not Canadian...at least that is relieving makes no sense at all. I simply corrected bad spelling after my error was pointed out. Never admitted anything. You're insane.
• Nearly every post you doubt my citizenship as to somehow justify in your mind that a fellow Canadian surely can't be a conservative but rather a far left anti-American liberal nut like you and likely your friends.
• you need to get laid eh!

It gets tiring attempting to have an intelligent discussion with someone who is unable to have one. eh!

Do me a favor favour and check my grammar and spelling eh

[Tsonga]

you are by far the biggest wackjob on sbr. You didn't respond to anything i said about health care because you would rather talk about bullshit. I gave references from health journals/actual statistics rather than bullshit anecdotes that you specialize in. Your grammar is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you never say anything worthwhile and never respond to anything specific. You just talk about posters and do ad homenim.

you used to go on an on about being Canadian - that's why it was worth mentioning...because now you are not Canadian.