No Pennies For Elderly & Disabled But Tax Breaks For The Rich?

[LordVodka]

Bush gives a tax cut and republicans rejoice.

Obama does the same thing and republicans bitch and bitch and bitch.

You can't win. We get it you don't like that there is a black president. That's the real issue here.

[TexansFan]

Bush gives a tax cut and republicans rejoice.

Obama does the same thing and republicans bitch and bitch and bitch.

You can't win. We get it you don't like that there is a black president. That's the real issue here.

Obama hasn't given any tax cuts you racist.

[BeatingBaseball]

Vodka -

Personally, I would love to have a black president. How about Thomas Sowell or Col. Allen West? Maybe Clarence Thomas. Any of those would be fine by me. I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

As to Obama, just don't like his anti-American, socialistic mindset.

Nothing to do with race - don't like his white half either.

[DwightShrute]

Obama hasn't given any tax cuts

fact!

[statnerds]

Vodka -

Personally, I would love to have a black president. How about Thomas Sowell or Col. Allen West? Maybe Clarence Thomas. Any of those would be fine by me. I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

Fukk yeah



Fukkin love "this is not a perversion, they are doing exactly what this book says."

But get God out of the Pledge of Allegiance.

And when will one of you libs explain why Americans should pay any taxes?

[Grandmaster B]

Bush gives a tax cut and republicans rejoice.

Obama does the same thing and republicans bitch and bitch and bitch.

You can't win. We get it you don't like that there is a black president. That's the real issue here.

[PittsburghPlayer]

This song by Fish, former lead singer of Marillion says it better than I can.

I found a new religion yesterday
I'd just cleared immigration JFK
A priest got in a cadillac
The shoe shine boy sang gospel
As God and his accountants drove away
You'll see him coast to coast on live TV
In a stadium rocked by Satan just the night before
The collection from the faithful it is tax free
It'll pay for his presidential campaign and his yacht

And we all bow down, we bow down to the big wedge
And we'll buy ourselves some heaven on earth
We sell our souls, sell our souls for big wedge
Are we selling out tomorrow for today?

A surgeon checks your plastic on the phone
A Casio concerto entertains you while you hold
Your credit rating's good for a Madonna or a Bardot
A Dali or a Picasso for his wall.

You're looking good, you're looking good with big wedge
Are you holding back tomorrow for today?
They're driving in, driving in the big wedge
Are we selling out tomorrow for today?

You'll sell the ground beneath your feet
You'll sell your oil, you'll sell your trees
Your ideals and integrity, your culture and your history
Your children into slavery to labour in their factories
Your mother and your family
You'll sell the world eventually
The IMF and CIA; there's just no difference they're all the same
It all depends on what's your point of view

America, America the big wedge
And they're buying your tomorrow up today
With promises the promises of big wedge
And they'll break them like your hearts another day
When you find out that you've left it just too late
And you find that you're the only one to blame
That you sold out your tomorrow yesterday for Big Wedge

[statnerds]

And after another sound thrashing at the hands of folks that use logic the old democrat stand by is pulled: racist. Ask Clarence Thomas how he feel about dems and racism.

In the meantime:

[chico2663]

the federal defecit

[BeatingBaseball]

"Ask Clarence Thomas how he feel about dems and racism." -statnerds

Just ask the Clintons. The Obamanistas pulled the race card on Ol' Brother Bill just to get past the presidential primary in '08.

They can't resist it. It's their "go to" move - like Kareem's sky hook.

[statnerds]

"Ask Clarence Thomas how he feel about dems and racism." -statnerds

Just ask the Clintons. The Obamanistas pulled the race card on Ol' Brother Bill just to get past the presidential primary in '08.

They can't resist it. It's their "go to" move - like Kareem's sky hook.

Damn if I didn't forget about that.

Guess we could ask Juan Williams as well. How dare you speak your mind Juan. Learn your place blacks.

[shady610]

Income Extra Taxes
$50,000 : $0
$250,000 : $2,344
$500,000 : $11,866
$1,000,000 : $34,866
$20,000,000 : $908,866


oh no the guy making 250k wont be able to send his kids to college...that extra $2,000 will really sting

omg the guy making 500k a year wont be able to feed his family....that $11k really going to hurt

oh Jesus the millionaire will have to give up 34k and his family will be homeless...they might even be at the soup kitchen

thats not the point. It is THEIR money because they EARNED it. Now the government wants more so they can give it to somebody else. People need to stop looking at rich people like they are evil.

Who's to say that the guy making 20mil a year didnt donate a lot of his money to charity. Now we have a government taking his money and deciding who to give it to.

If the government could spend what they take in wisely, we wouldnt need to take more from people.

[DwightShrute]

thats not the point. It is THEIR money because they EARNED it. Now the government wants more so they can give it to somebody else. People need to stop looking at rich people like they are evil.

Who's to say that the guy making 20mil a year didnt donate a lot of his money to charity. Now we have a government taking his money and deciding who to give it to.

If the government could spend what they take in wisely, we wouldnt need to take more from people.

no doubt that is true.

[Grandmaster B]

thats not the point. It is THEIR money because they EARNED it. Now the government wants more so they can give it to somebody else. People need to stop looking at rich people like they are evil.

Who's to say that the guy making 20mil a year didnt donate a lot of his money to charity. Now we have a government taking his money and deciding who to give it to.

If the government could spend what they take in wisely, we wouldnt need to take more from people.

you're right...they want to use it to bailout companies like AIG

corporate welfare

[rkelly110]

Grand my man, we might as well give up, if the past 10 yrs of the rich tax cuts did not stimulate
the economy, which they don't give a shit anyway, except to expand their wallets, while normal
people continue to struggle is beyond the scope of con's/rep's. They can't see beyond the dollar
signs. They will continue to stomp on anyone in their way for their own greedy piece of the pie.

[guitarjosh]

Grand my man, we might as well give up, if the past 10 yrs of the rich tax cuts did not stimulate
the economy, which they don't give a shit anyway, except to expand their wallets, while normal
people continue to struggle is beyond the scope of con's/rep's. They can't see beyond the dollar
signs. They will continue to stomp on anyone in their way for their own greedy piece of the pie.

It did, look at the unemployment numbers from summer of 2003 when Bush cut taxes to early 2007. Unemployment was at 4.4%.

[guitarjosh]

Bush gives a tax cut and republicans rejoice.

Obama does the same thing and republicans bitch and bitch and bitch.

You can't win. We get it you don't like that there is a black president. That's the real issue here.

Yeah, if he was a white democrat, he wouldn't be impeached, accused of rape, accused of sexual assault, sexual harassment, smuggling hundreds-of-millions of cocaine into Arkansas and killing anyone who knew too much or got in the way. The GOP would be singing his praises!!!

[Tsonga]

Yeah, if he was a white democrat, he wouldn't be impeached, accused of rape, accused of sexual assault, sexual harassment, smuggling hundreds-of-millions of cocaine into Arkansas and killing anyone who knew too much or got in the way. The GOP would be singing his praises!!!

yah...you are not racist at all. The stupid part is that you don't even see how you just told everyone you are racist.

[BeatingBaseball]

Grand my man, we might as well give up, if the past 10 yrs of the rich tax cuts did not stimulate
the economy, which they don't give a shit anyway, except to expand their wallets, while normal
people continue to struggle is beyond the scope of con's/rep's. They can't see beyond the dollar
signs. They will continue to stomp on anyone in their way for their own greedy piece of the pie.

rk - Sounds like you are no longer a tad tipsy. You should really have a few drinks on a daily basis.

You think much more clearly after a few pops.

[rkelly110]

I do lean conservative but, the constant bashing in here drives me nuts.
I agree with some of the liberal ideas and some conservative. Some conservatives in
here are really extreme with out giving thought to the consequences of what they write.

[dollarbill]

This cycle sounds familiar was it the early 90's.

Maybe it's every 20 year

[BeatingBaseball]

Grand my man, we might as well give up, if the past 10 yrs of the rich tax cuts did not stimulate
the economy, which they don't give a shit anyway, except to expand their wallets, while normal
people continue to struggle is beyond the scope of con's/rep's. They can't see beyond the dollar
signs. They will continue to stomp on anyone in their way for their own greedy piece of the pie.

One of the great misconceptions held by liberals when it comes to ecomomics is that they see our country's wealth as a pie with only so much to go around. It is that erroneous vision which makes libs believe that the only way people get ahead is at the expense of others - that wealth is a zero sum game - that if someone else gets more it means they get less.

For people who generally consider themselves so smart - it's pretty ironic that they hold such a simlpistic, misguided perception and exhibit such a complete lack of understanding of free market economics. The fact is that when a market is allowed to operate free of oppressive government interference/regulation/taxation the pie grows - and more pies are produced. Economic freedom offers a value proposition for all participants and America has been the greatest bakery in world history when it comes to producing pie. All we have to do is not let liberals f\*\*k it up.

[Grandmaster B]

One of the great misconceptions held by liberals when it comes to ecomomics is that they see our country's wealth as a pie with only so much to go around. It is that erroneous vision which makes libs believe that the only way people get ahead is at the expense of others - that wealth is a zero sum game - that if someone else gets more it means they get less.

For people who generally consider themselves so smart - it's pretty ironic that they hold such a simlpistic, misguided perception and exhibit such a complete lack of understanding of free market economics. The fact is that when a market is allowed to operate free of oppressive government interference/regulation/taxation the pie grows - and more pies are produced. Economic freedom offers a value proposition for all participants and America has been the greatest bakery in world history when it comes to producing pie. All we have to do is not let liberals f\*\*k it up.

the WORST President EVER was Republican

[BeatingBaseball]

the WORST President EVER was Republican

Wrong again, Grand. Jimmy Carter was a Democrat.

Or if you are talking about James Buchanan - he was a Democrat as well (and light in his loafers, btw).

[The Madcap]

the WORST President EVER was Republican

How dare you say such mean things about Abraham Lincoln.

[Grandmaster B]

Wrong again, Grand. Jimmy Carter was a Democrat.

Or if you are talking about James Buchanan - he was a Democrat as well (and light in his loafers, btw).

no I was talking about the guy you voted for and the guy you look up to...and the guy you teach your kids to be like when they grow up

[Grandmaster B]

How dare you say such mean things about Abraham Lincoln.

[the woodpile]

Myths About the Bush Tax Cuts (Which Obama Extended)

10. Myth: The Bush tax cuts were tilted toward the rich.
Fact: The rich are now shouldering even more of the income tax burden. From 2000 to 2004, the share of all individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of taxpayers dropped from 0% to -4%, meaning that the average family in those quintiles received a subsidy. The share paid by the top 20% of households increased from 81% to 85%.

9. Myth: The Bush tax cuts have not helped the economy.
Fact: The economy responded strongly to the 2003 tax cuts. The 2003 tax cuts lowered income, capital gains and dividend tax rates. These policies increased market incentives to work, save and invest, creating jobs and increasing economic growth.

8. Myth: Tax cuts help the economy by "putting money in people's pockets."
Fact: Pro-growth tax cuts support incentives for productive behavior. Government spending does not "pump new money into the economy," because government must first tax or borrow that money out of the economy. The right tax cuts help the economy by reducing government's influence on economic decisions and allowing people to respond more to market mechanisms.

7. Myth: Reversing the upper-income tax cuts would raise substantial revenues.
Fact: The low-income tax cuts reduced revenues the most. In 2007, the increased child tax credit, marriage penalty relief, 10% bracket and Alternative Minimum Tax fix will have a combined budgetary impact of minus $114 billion -- without strong supply-side effects to minimize that effect. But the more maligned capital gains, dividends and estate tax cuts are projected to reduce 2007 revenues by just $36 billion, even before the large supply-side effects are incorporated.

6. Myth: Raising tax rates is the best way to raise revenue.
Fact: Tax revenues correlate with economic growth, not tax rates. Since 1952, the highest marginal income tax rate has dropped from 92% to 35%, and tax revenues have grown in inflation-adjusted terms while remaining constant as a percent of GDP.

5. Myth: The Bush tax cuts are to blame for the projected long-term budget deficits.
Fact: Projections show that entitlement costs will dwarf the projected large revenue increases. Revenues are projected to increase from 18% of GDP to almost 23% by 2050, while spending is projected to increase from 20% of GDP to at least 38%.

4. Myth: Capital gains tax cuts do not pay for themselves.
Fact: Capital gains tax revenues doubled following the 2003 tax cut. In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced from 20% and 10% (depending on income) to 15% and 5%, respectively. Rather than expand from $50 billion in 2003 to $68 billion in 2006 as the CBO projected, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion.

3. Myth: Supply-side economics assumes that all tax cuts immediately pay for themselves.
Fact: It assumes replenishment of some but not necessarily all lost revenues. Supply-side economics never contended that all tax cuts pay for themselves. Rather the Laffer Curve merely formalizes the common-sense observations that: Tax revenues depend on the tax base as well as the tax rate; raising tax rates discourages the taxed behavior and shrinks the tax base, offsetting some of the revenue gains; and lowering tax rates encourages the taxed behavior and expands the tax base, offsetting some of the revenue loss.

2. Myth: The Bush tax cuts substantially reduced 2006 revenues and expanded the budget deficit.
Fact: Nearly all the 2006 budget deficit resulted from additional spending above the baseline. Historic spending increases pushed federal spending up from 18.5% of GDP in 2001 to 20.2% in 2006.

1. Myth: Tax revenues remain low.
Fact: Tax revenues are above the historical average, even after the tax cuts. Tax revenues in 2006 were 18.4%of gross domestic product (GDP), which is actually above the 20-year, 40-year, and 60-year historical averages.

[BeatingBaseball]

Grand - Even you must admit - imagery like that Katrina poster is the lowest form of a cheap shot and total bullshit.

That woman and her child are being used by Democratic politicians - most of them white and rich - for their own political gain.

Please don't let them both use her and play you like that.

[The Madcap]

HEY!

you forgot my lucky numbers.

[Tsonga]

Grand - Even you must admit - imagery like that Katrina poster is the lowest form of a cheap shot and total bullshit.

That woman and her child are being used by Democratic politicians - most of them white and rich - for their own political gain.

Please don't let them both use her and play you like that.

i thought you were going to defend GBush instead of saying 'stop that'.

[BeatingBaseball]

i thought you were going to defend GBush instead of saying 'stop that'.

Unlike liberals, conservatives don't reflexively defend anyone who happens to vote the same way they do, be of their color or belong to any politically associated collective. We can actually be rational and objective about people. It's not like being a liberal where you have to blindly support to the death any crook or con artist who happens to be a Democrat, or is gay, or is a race hustler, or an environment hustler, or supports abortion on demand, or belongs to a union or advocates unlimited illegal immigration for anyone who will vote for Dems. We are actually allowed to see people as individuals, not groups. And we are free to criticize them on that basis. We can actually use our own heads. (You should try it some time. It's very liberating.)

George W. Bush was a big disappointment to traditional conservatives. He came up short in a number of ways - but it was not because he was a racist, didn't care about poor people, wanted destroy the environment or was in it for personal gain. Those are all things which, if you're honest, I think you are smart enough to recognize as pure bullshit.

There's no question he had the best interests of America at heart - but his biggest deficiency was naivete regarding how low and slimy his poitical enemies really are. He thought he could somehow get along with the Kennedys and Pelosi's of the world and thought they also had the best interests of America at heart. He couldn't have been more wrong. There is no getting along with Democrats. Their only goal is to create a permanent political majority of an underclass that is totally dependent upon them and they will sell out America to do it. If Americans don't stand up now for our most fundamental Founding Principles the Democratic party as it is now configured will destoy this country. The good news is that anyone with an IQ above room temperature can now clearly see that.

[Tsonga]

Interesting few paragraphs baseball. I guess you just made a damning statement about the people over at foxnews. You said conservatives don't reflexively defend individuals like George Bush. Does this make the people at fox not really true conservatives like you? Hannity - for one example, believes that America is better off after George W Bush than before. That sounds like a defense with some admiration.

Bush's biggest deficiency according to you was

naivete regarding how low and slimy his political enemies really are.

That is a big, big, defense of George Bush because if that is the biggest deficiency he had then he must have been a really good president. One could say this is Obama's biggest problem, he seems to trust that compromising with the republicans is in best interest of the country.

I guess Bush's lack of insight into his political 'enemies' was enough to overshadow (for you) his economic failures (recession), his disregard for torture laws, his response to hurricane Katrina, his environmental policies, and his knack for giving comedians across the world material that they could use for years...and the fact that he deceived, knowingly or unknowingly, the United States into going to Iraq.

You reflexively defended him by postulating that not knowing who his political enemies were was his biggest deficiency. That's laughable.

What's the room temperature where you live?

[guitarjosh]

yah...you are not racist at all. The stupid part is that you don't even see how you just told everyone you are racist.

It is about politics. Look what Clinton went through in 8 years. The GOP was soooooo good to him. If you think if Obama was white, the GOP would be acting different to him, you're dumber then I thought.

[BeatingBaseball]

Tsonga -

I really wish there was a way to get thru to people like yourself - but it really seems hopeless.

At least you characterized it "knowingly or unknowingly" re the WMD issue. You actually took a step towards fair on that one. I would have figured you would surely go with the notion that he knew for sure there were no WMD or maybe that he even master minded the 9/11 attacks personally - along with eating small children in his spare time.

As to being fodder for comedians - Obama has provided every bit as much material - and in only 2 years. "All 57 states" - "My grandma was a typical white woman" - "I don't know how you say that in Austrian" - "The Navy corpse-man" - "I'm the 44th person to take the presidential oath" - etc., etc., etc. The only reason you're not hearing those jokes from Bill Mahr and Colbert, of course, is that they are compelled to protect him and are advocates for the same moronic agenda you are.

Bush also "inherited" a recession, btw. It was one he got us out of with those tax cuts. Of course it was not as big as the current collapse engineered by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd with their Fannie/Freddie piggy bank - but at least even Obama has come to realize that the "Bush" tax cuts are critical to any hope of recovery. So if he's learning - maybe there is hope for you after all.