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  • statnerds
    SBR MVP
    • 09-23-09
    • 4047

    #1
    ATTN: Nicky Santoro is Sharper than you
    And I must thank him.

    I liked one play on the board today in the NFL...one, just one fukking play...Over 41 in Jets/Broncos.

    Called my local and got his lines at 12:15.

    This is where I learned much from Nicky about betting bad numbers.

    I liked, as I said, only one game on the board. But I bet all four of these just the numbers were bad

    NE 2.5 -110
    Phi E -110
    Mia +3.5 -110
    KC/Hou Ov 44.5

    And this started last week, when he gave me

    Cle +4.5 -110
    Chi +3 -110
    Was +3 -110
    NYG +3.5 -110
    Bal Ov 39.5 -110

    Two years ago I wouldn't have placed any bets with my local. But after getting just a touch of learning from Nicky, got a 4-0 day which will cover my losses on the Jets' Over.

    Thanks Nicky.
    Phi +3.5 -110
  • RonPaul2008
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-08-07
    • 6741

    #2
    It's all about getting good numbers....for 90% of people handicapping is a waste of time.
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    • DrStale
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-07-08
      • 9692

      #3
      No, apparently he is sharper than YOU. Most of us are already aware of the benefits of betting an off line without needing to be told by someone else.
      Originally posted by Dark Horse
      If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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      • fsugolf
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-17-09
        • 6194

        #4
        as long as you learned something
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        • Grandmaster B
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-05-09
          • 6035

          #5
          Originally posted by DrStale
          No, apparently he is sharper than YOU. Most of us are already aware of the benefits of betting an off line without needing to be told by someone else.
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          • ACoochy
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-19-09
            • 13949

            #6
            Just cos u may know about off lines stale doesnt mean the person next to you does.....Good work statnerd and thanks for sharing ur info to others (newbies) on this board that are less informed...
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            • Nicky Santoro
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 04-08-08
              • 16103

              #7
              for the 1st 12 yrs of my life, i didn't play weak #'s.. i handicapped.. and for 12 yrs, i lived in debt paying off bookies. never had a winning season.. went broke over and over again. i swear i was working 3 jobs just paying off these guys.. and it never ended..i was living with my parents and handing my 3 checks to my local each week.. it fukkin killed me..there was just no way out.. and i studied stats for 6 hrs a day. i knew every angle.. but the more i knew, the more i lost. i had no idea why.. i thought maybe i was just unlucky.. but it really woke me up.

              the last 13 yrs of my life i have ONLY looked for weak #'s and i must say, the result has completely changed. i no longer owe bookies and my life has changed completely.


              THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO MAKE MONEY GAMBLING BESIDES THIS WAY.. IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE ME... KEEP TRYING AND YOU'LL SEE.. YOU'LL LEARN THE HARD WAY.

              these linesmakers CANNOT be beaten. this way is the ONLY way we have any chance.
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              • B1GER1C828
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-31-07
                • 10244

                #8


                how u go about finding so many bad numbers nicky?

                i can usually find one, but 4-5 each weeks is solid.
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                • Slim
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-13-08
                  • 4722

                  #9
                  Nicky is sharper than Bill Gates.
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                  • statnerds
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-23-09
                    • 4047

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DrStale
                    No, apparently he is sharper than YOU. Most of us are already aware of the benefits of betting an off line without needing to be told by someone else.

                    Well, MOST of YOU never share information and only get into cyber pissing contests cause YOU guys are so cool.

                    The funny part is we all start somewhere. None us got into this game knowing every angle and every way to make money. And just by reading through the multitude of threads on SBR, it is obvious that at least 80% of the board thinks that handicapping is the way to beat the market, which is flawed logic because you are operating under the assumption that the market is inefficient.

                    And given the number of cappers on this site, it stands to reason that some will have extended periods of winning that could last 5 or 6 seasons. Apply any distribution model to cappers that you apply to games. most will be average, some will below or above average and some will be way below or way above average.

                    My job is to get people thinking on different tracks. For example, taking the paragraph above and coupling it with the following elicits what reaction:

                    If you ran statistical models covering the number of every game ever played in Major League Baseball history, guess how many 56 game hit streaks there should have been?

                    11.

                    Discuss, or insult, which seems to be the easier route.
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                    • statnerds
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-23-09
                      • 4047

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                      THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO MAKE MONEY GAMBLING BESIDES THIS WAY.. IF YOU DON'T BELEIVE ME... KEEP TRYING AND YOU'LL SEE.. YOU'LL LEARN THE HARD WAY.

                      these linesmakers CANNOT be beaten. this way is the ONLY way we have any chance.
                      I didn't believe you. And two weeks is way too small of a sample to definitively say either way, but it is off to a great start. the linesmakers cannot be beaten cause the market is so damn efficient.

                      And of course I heard about stale numbers and chasing steam and blah, blah, blah. The first thing I key on now is beating the closing number. Did anyone notice I just hit my biggest play on Over in the Jets' game? 5-0 day with 2 opened parlays with the Jets' Over as the front end.

                      What you did Nicky was changed my thinking. I'll never forget last year I loved the Giants on Sunday night or Monday night game and the line was 3. My local gave me 3.5 and I came on here bitching about cause I was pissed over his bad line. But Nicky came in and said yeah, I hate when that happens and explained how I should have hit both sides to make a profit. Giants blew them out, it was Washington and NY won 45-12. but that isn't the point. That moment stuck with me and literally changed the way I look at the lines my local gives me. I don't cap the games. He gives me lines, I go to 5Dimes and compare. Think Philly was Pick -125. Bet that one. I don't cap games cause then I might like one side or another and that will might cause an adverse reaction to one of his lines. If I really like Green Bay at 3 and he gives Miami +3.5, I might not bet Miami. but when I go in with no opinion on the game, and he hangs +3.5, I automatically take the Fins.

                      Anyway, thanks again Nicky.
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                      • Scorpion
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-04-05
                        • 7797

                        #12
                        sick gambler is my hero
                        Sicky has no education, no college degree, but Sicky Santoro understands numbers, he knows what the **** he is talking about
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82839

                          #13
                          He is a hero to all of the losing gamblers of the world.
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                          • fsugolf
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 07-17-09
                            • 6194

                            #14
                            even through all the BS on the site, this is why we are all here, to learn something and to profit. And take our bookies fvcking money
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                            • Sam Odom
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 10-30-05
                              • 58063

                              #15
                              nicky > jj
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                              • Nicky Santoro
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 04-08-08
                                • 16103

                                #16
                                Originally posted by statnerds
                                If I really like Green Bay at 3 and he gives Miami +3.5, I might not bet Miami.

                                major mistake by you.. you should ALWAYS grab any weak # you see.. even if you don't think it'll win.. opinions are so stupid. your opinion or anyone here at sbr's opinion is not better than 200 pro linesmakers and computer software they have..
                                you think a guy like brock landers, or fishhead or richie.. (sorry richie)..is actually smarter than all this research put into these lines?? yeah right.


                                grab any weak # you see..

                                btw, it's not 80% of this site believes handicapping is the only way.. more like 99.3% of this site thinks handicapping is the only way.. well, they will soon learn the wrong way..

                                scorper, what the fukk language was that? i have no idea what you just said..
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                                • TPowell
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-21-08
                                  • 18842

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                                  major mistake by you.. you should ALWAYS grab any weak # you see.. even if you don't think it'll win.. opinions are so stupid. your opinion or anyone here at sbr's opinion is not better than 200 pro linesmakers and computer software they have..
                                  you think a guy like brock landers, or fishhead or richie.. (sorry richie)..is actually smarter than all this research put into these lines?? yeah right.


                                  grab any weak # you see..

                                  btw, it's not 80% of this site believes handicapping is the only way.. more like 99.3% of this site thinks handicapping is the only way.. well, they will soon learn the wrong way..

                                  scorper, what the fukk language was that? i have no idea what you just said..

                                  do you really think you'll be able to get 3.5 at only a few shops? Outside of key numbers, the half point shouldn't be used to make a bet on...... like I wouldn't lay 4 even if the line in most places was -4.5. This thing is more useful for basketball where a HALF POINT ANYWHERE can be the difference
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                                  • Scorpion
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-04-05
                                    • 7797

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                                    for the 1st 12 yrs of my life, i didn't play weak #'s.. i handicapped.. and for 12 yrs, i lived in debt paying off bookies. never had a winning season.. went broke over and over again. i swear i was working 3 jobs just paying off these guys.. and it never ended..i was living with my parents and handing my 3 checks to my local each week.. it fukkin killed me..there was just no way out.. and i studied stats for 6 hrs a day. i knew every angle.. but the more i knew, the more i lost. i had no idea why.. i thought maybe i was just unlucky.. but it really woke me up.

                                    .
                                    Come on Sicky, everybody knows you were working and sleeping in your mothers basement for 12 years. Your mothers basement was the center of your life, that dark basement was all you had Nicky!
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                                    • fsugolf
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 07-17-09
                                      • 6194

                                      #19
                                      he could have just summed it up as illiterate

                                      nicky
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                                      • TPowell
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-21-08
                                        • 18842

                                        #20
                                        example: I just bet Indy/Washington UNDER 45 at -110. Line is at 45 at BM and BetJam. Did I really make a sharp money?

                                        EDIT: Total is 44.5 everywhere else

                                        EDIT: Okay, line is only 45 at BM now, 44.5 at BetJam...
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                                        • empty
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 03-30-09
                                          • 259

                                          #21
                                          Can you clarify
                                          tonights Indy-Skins game is -3 at all the major books and -4 at Bodog and -3.5 at SIA so we should be taking the +4 or +3.5?
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                                          • TPowell
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 02-21-08
                                            • 18842

                                            #22
                                            empty, if you can get 4 at -110 take it now! NO MATTER WHAT
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                                            • Scorpion
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-04-05
                                              • 7797

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by empty
                                              Can you clarify
                                              tonights Indy-Skins game is -3 at all the major books and -4 at Bodog and -3.5 at SIA so we should be taking the +4 or +3.5?
                                              you should take -3
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                                              • fsugolf
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 07-17-09
                                                • 6194

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by empty
                                                Can you clarify
                                                tonights Indy-Skins game is -3 at all the major books and -4 at Bodog and -3.5 at SIA so we should be taking the +4 or +3.5?

                                                99% of the time bodog for dogs, unless it's juiced on a non key number imo
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                                                • jjgold
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388179

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by statnerds
                                                  And I must thank him.

                                                  I liked one play on the board today in the NFL...one, just one fukking play...Over 41 in Jets/Broncos.

                                                  Called my local and got his lines at 12:15.

                                                  This is where I learned much from Nicky about betting bad numbers.

                                                  I liked, as I said, only one game on the board. But I bet all four of these just the numbers were bad

                                                  NE 2.5 -110
                                                  Phi E -110
                                                  Mia +3.5 -110
                                                  KC/Hou Ov 44.5

                                                  And this started last week, when he gave me

                                                  Cle +4.5 -110
                                                  Chi +3 -110
                                                  Was +3 -110
                                                  NYG +3.5 -110
                                                  Bal Ov 39.5 -110

                                                  Two years ago I wouldn't have placed any bets with my local. But after getting just a touch of learning from Nicky, got a 4-0 day which will cover my losses on the Jets' Over.

                                                  Thanks Nicky.
                                                  Phi +3.5 -110
                                                  Yes it worked today but lets just say long term you will still need to get a real job
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                                                  • durito
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-03-06
                                                    • 13173

                                                    #26
                                                    About 20 people tried to explain this to you in the think tank months ago and you told them all to **** off.
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                                                    • durito
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 07-03-06
                                                      • 13173

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by B1GER1C828


                                                      how u go about finding so many bad numbers nicky?

                                                      i can usually find one, but 4-5 each weeks is solid.
                                                      There are hundreds of good #'s out there everyday.
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                                                      • DrStale
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 12-07-08
                                                        • 9692

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by statnerds
                                                        Discuss, or insult, which seems to be the easier route.
                                                        You are the one who started this thread by insulting the entire board there slugger.
                                                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                        If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                                        • statnerds
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-23-09
                                                          • 4047

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by durito
                                                          About 20 people tried to explain this to you in the think tank months ago and you told them all to **** off.
                                                          How many times do I have to admit that I was wrong back then and you are smarter than me?

                                                          In my defense, it was more of an effort to insult and bully than explain. And I quickly picked up that most people on this site are full of shit and egomaniacs. Was still trying to separate the wheat from the chaff as they say.

                                                          Durito is sharp as fukk everyone and has my respect (not that he needs or wants it).

                                                          You must forgive me, I am a slow learner, but I am trying.
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                                                          • statnerds
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-23-09
                                                            • 4047

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by DrStale
                                                            You are the one who started this thread by insulting the entire board there slugger.
                                                            And if I start a thread just titled Thanks Nicky, it would have about 13 views and zero replies, and SBR John and JJ start to wonder why they keep me around. But look at this thread lighting up it up on a Sunday Night...

                                                            A man as sharp as yourself should be wise enough to distinguish between sincerity and sensationalism.
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                                                            • statnerds
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-23-09
                                                              • 4047

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by TPowell
                                                              do you really think you'll be able to get 3.5 at only a few shops? Outside of key numbers, the half point shouldn't be used to make a bet on...... like I wouldn't lay 4 even if the line in most places was -4.5. This thing is more useful for basketball where a HALF POINT ANYWHERE can be the difference
                                                              Allow me to handle this one...

                                                              If the line is 3 everywhere, and we know that ~10% of the time the favorite wins these games by exactly 3 points, what effect does having +3.5 have in this long term?
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                                                              • polskboy
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-29-10
                                                                • 1688

                                                                #32
                                                                nickey is a sharp.he is one of best.
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                                                                • Nicky Santoro
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 04-08-08
                                                                  • 16103

                                                                  #33
                                                                  just take a look at this profit.

                                                                  line is 3.. you get +3.5..

                                                                  for every 100 bets, this is what you will end up with.

                                                                  Land on 3.... 10x.... you win 1,000 each time = +10,000$

                                                                  45x you lose -1050 (-105).... you lose 47,250$

                                                                  45x you win 1,000$ or +45,000$


                                                                  So for every 100 bets of 1k a game, you lose $47,250 and you win $55,000.. for a net profit of 7,750$...



                                                                  and you guys wouldn't bet +3.5 if line is 3??
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                                                                  • fsugolf
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 07-17-09
                                                                    • 6194

                                                                    #34
                                                                    no one looks at the long run nicky, that's why they handicap
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                                                                    • yisman
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 09-01-08
                                                                      • 75682

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by durito
                                                                      About 20 people tried to explain this to you in the think tank months ago and you told them all to **** off.
                                                                      Hehe.

                                                                      I love how when Nicky says something really obvious, some people start praising him for being the sharpest genius on the planet.

                                                                      If you didn't know the things Nicky was telling you, you probably have been ignoring a lot of people in the past.
                                                                      [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                                                      [/quote]

                                                                      [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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