[TPowell]

Guessing a lot of you live in red states. If you don't comply with Obama's requests, your tax payers don't get the rewards they are supposed to. Also, I agree that Obama should have pushed for single payer. Now, moron conservatives will jump and down and claim its too expensive because they are morons. I'm curious exactly who you people think were paying for all of this healthcare before Obama anyway. SOMEONE was paying for it. Before Obamacare, people stiffed their medical bills and it was added on to the people who actually could/did pay their bills.

[dante1]

Dante, my problem with Obama's plan is where does he get off taking money from the average American if they don't want insurance? What about people who are healthy and don't go to the doctor but once every couple of years for a checkup? His plan forces people to buy insurance or be penalized.
Also, many companies in the state I live in dropped their insurance for their workers because of the hefty increases in coverage, it is cheaper for those companies to just pay the penalty per year. So now you have hard working people with families that now pay hundreds more per month to insure their families or themselves.
I don't really agree with government telling anyone they have to subscribe to something that should be the individuals choice. Meanwhile any illegal alien can walk into a hospital get treatment and pay nothing. There is something wrong with that.

Well, at last we have an individual that makes an intelligent argument without complete BS like Dwightie and Brooks.

Good points my friend 0087. I have answers but you wont like them and I get that you won't like them. This is a debatable issue but at least you have the intellect verbalize it, in this case, print your disagreements.

First, the government be it federal, state or local does compel us to pay for things all the time. Many people need to be licensed to work their job or profession. People need to be insured to drive a vehicle which costs money. When people aren't insured for medical you and I must pay the price for those people in increased insurance and hospital rates. If it is an individual choice other people end up paying and that is strictly against R conservative thought. You do know that this entire idea was the brain child of conservative thinking, it had nothing to do with progressives. Obama stole it.

And if an illegal is getting free care you and I and everybody else is paying for it, no argument from me there.

Listen health care is out of hand, I don't have the answer and it seems nobody does. It is not the fault of obama care, to blame obama care for rising prices is ridiculous. Maybe, if HC wins she and congress can improve the situation. Nobody claimed obama care was going to be a magical fix for health care prices. If you want a capitalistic system you should seldom complain about rising prices. Become a socialist if that is the case.

[Buffalo Nickle]

He who laughs last laughs loudest. Will be like W's second-term victory. Celebrating your own destruction.

Next comes Medicare For All.

[DwightShrute]

Well, at last we have an individual that makes an intelligent argument without complete BS like I always seem to do.

so true.

[grease lightnin]

I have ins through my employer. Heading for a 40% increase next year. Is this Obama's fault?

[dante1]

so true.

now poor dwightie is resorting to 4th grade tactics. poor dwightie, can't debate the issues so he will resort to childish crap.

poor poor dwightie.

[JIBBBY]

I have ins through my employer. Heading for a 40% increase next year. Is this Obama's fault?

Yes he started this OBAMACARE shit and promised lower premiums, etc.. This is clearly not the case... Obama is making excuses now on CNN/FOX saying it's not his fault for the increases.. Lol...

The middle class are getting completely screwed over with Obamacare...

[dante1]

I have ins through my employer. Heading for a 40% increase next year. Is this Obama's fault?

of course it is, you should know this.

insurance rates, drug prices, hospital and doctor costs are skyrocketing. it is totally out of hand but that is the capitalistic system, all these businesses have the consumer/patient by the short hairs and they will extract as much money out of the consumer as possible. that is what capitalism is all about. greed is the foundation of capitalism and until the people have had enough this is what we will need to deal with. who cares if people aren't properly cared for? nobody, not the insurance companies, not the hospitals, nobody. there is no compassion in capitalism and until the people actually have had enough, this bs will continue.

[gauchojake]

Anyone can go the ED and get treatment. Illegals just usually give a false name. Americans usually give their SSN and ID thinking that they need to in order to get care. You don't. FYI the law that let's you do this is called COBRA and was passed by Reagan.

If anyone really thought that meaningful healthcare reform was going to just happen overnight, I have a bridge for sale. The system is and has been broken for a long time and "Obama Care" does a lot to address these issues. Should he have down played the costs? No he lied. Should he have passed healthcare reform, yes.

Here are a few of the things you may not know that "Obama Care" did

No lifetime caps
No denials due to preexisting conditions
Medical loss ratios guarantee money spent on care not admin
Expansion of Medicaid IF the States opted in
Alternative payment models

Does the ACA have issues that need to be resolved and tweaked? Yes! Of course. I would take umbrage with this administration's lack of direction to correcting some of the faults with the law. That will change and the law will be refined.

I stated earlier that you should invest in companies that profit from the law - Take a look at United Health Group - If you would have been forward thinking you would have more than tripled your money in stock gains alone. I didn't bother calculating the dividends. There are more opportunities out there if you look for them. The law isn't going anywhere.

[trytrytry]

Well, at last we have an individual that makes an intelligent argument without complete BS like Dwightie and Brooks.

Good points my friend 0087. I have answers but you wont like them and I get that you won't like them. This is a debatable issue but at least you have the intellect verbalize it, in this case, print your disagreements.

First, the government be it federal, state or local does compel us to pay for things all the time. Many people need to be licensed to work their job or profession. People need to be insured to drive a vehicle which costs money. When people aren't insured for medical you and I must pay the price for those people in increased insurance and hospital rates. If it is an individual choice other people end up paying and that is strictly against R conservative thought. You do know that this entire idea was the brain child of conservative thinking, it had nothing to do with progressives. Obama stole it.

And if an illegal is getting free care you and I and everybody else is paying for it, no argument from me there.

Listen health care is out of hand, I don't have the answer and it seems nobody does. It is not the fault of obama care, to blame obama care for rising prices is ridiculous. Maybe, if HC wins she and congress can improve the situation. Nobody claimed obama care was going to be a magical fix for health care prices. If you want a capitalistic system you should seldom complain about rising prices. Become a socialist if that is the case.

political policy post of the year hands down.

[bettilimbroke999]

Democrats sure know how to spend a shitload of money promising the moon with no hope of success...just get a fuckin job bums quit trying to suck Obama's dick for everything (assuming the Dems have not yet exported them all courtesy of their brilliant free trade agreements)

[JIBBBY]

Trump will wipe out Obamacare Hillary will not.. VOTE TRUMP and see your premiums drop..

[DwightShrute]

political policy post of the year hands down.

[dante1]

Anyone can go the ED and get treatment. Illegals just usually give a false name. Americans usually give their SSN and ID thinking that they need to in order to get care. You don't. FYI the law that let's you do this is called COBRA and was passed by Reagan.

If anyone really thought that meaningful healthcare reform was going to just happen overnight, I have a bridge for sale. The system is and has been broken for a long time and "Obama Care" does a lot to address these issues. Should he have down played the costs? No he lied. Should he have passed healthcare reform, yes.

Here are a few of the things you may not know that "Obama Care" did

No lifetime caps
No denials due to preexisting conditions
Medical loss ratios guarantee money spent on care not admin
Expansion of Medicaid IF the States opted in
Alternative payment models

Does the ACA have issues that need to be resolved and tweaked? Yes! Of course. I would take umbrage with this administration's lack of direction to correcting some of the faults with the law. That will change and the law will be refined.

I stated earlier that you should invest in companies that profit from the law - Take a look at United Health Group - If you would have been forward thinking you would have more than tripled your money in stock gains alone. I didn't bother calculating the dividends. There are more opportunities out there if you look for them. The law isn't going anywhere.

Of course, ACA has improved health care and improved the life of millions. So many more benefits than before that people can now enjoy. And as you so eloquently state it is not perfect, health care will probably never be perfect but it is much better than before. Hopefully, it will evolve into a much better plan but no matter how it improves you will never satisfy the crazies. They will always find fault with it, and the irony is it is a R idea. That is what is truly funny.

[unde0087]

Well, at last we have an individual that makes an intelligent argument without complete BS like Dwightie and Brooks.

Good points my friend 0087. I have answers but you wont like them and I get that you won't like them. This is a debatable issue but at least you have the intellect verbalize it, in this case, print your disagreements.

First, the government be it federal, state or local does compel us to pay for things all the time. Many people need to be licensed to work their job or profession. People need to be insured to drive a vehicle which costs money. When people aren't insured for medical you and I must pay the price for those people in increased insurance and hospital rates. If it is an individual choice other people end up paying and that is strictly against R conservative thought. You do know that this entire idea was the brain child of conservative thinking, it had nothing to do with progressives. Obama stole it.

And if an illegal is getting free care you and I and everybody else is paying for it, no argument from me there.

Listen health care is out of hand, I don't have the answer and it seems nobody does. It is not the fault of obama care, to blame obama care for rising prices is ridiculous. Maybe, if HC wins she and congress can improve the situation. Nobody claimed obama care was going to be a magical fix for health care prices. If you want a capitalistic system you should seldom complain about rising prices. Become a socialist if that is the case.

I don't know man, you go down a slippery slope when you start telling people they have to be insured or pay the price. I agree definitely need car insurance but medical is going too far imo. All I know is before Obamacare health care for my family was a lot more affordable. Now it's not only more expensive but then in many cases the insurer people had, and were happy with, was no longer an option.

I agree no easy answers when it comes to this issue but I am not going to sit here and believe Obama did us any favors or blame insurance companies for following his plan. As far as I am concerned he is the fuk up

[brooks85]

political policy post of the year hands down.

lol the coward talking about an idiot's post... sbr is hilarious

[brooks85]

He who laughs last laughs loudest. Will be like W's second-term victory. Celebrating your own destruction.

Next comes Medicare For All.

I'm still laughing at you calling Qatar civilized and not knowing the difference between native and Native American. The kind of stupid I see on this forum all the time.

[brooks85]

Guessing a lot of you live in red states. If you don't comply with Obama's requests, your tax payers don't get the rewards they are supposed to. Also, I agree that Obama should have pushed for single payer. Now, moron conservatives will jump and down and claim its too expensive because they are morons. I'm curious exactly who you people think were paying for all of this healthcare before Obama anyway. SOMEONE was paying for it. Before Obamacare, people stiffed their medical bills and it was added on to the people who actually could/did pay their bills.

you read something this stupid and you know hillary is counting on the their vote.

[DwightShrute]

[Kermit]

"So you've got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It's the craziest thing in the world." -Bill Clinton

[dante1]

I don't know man, you go down a slippery slope when you start telling people they have to be insured or pay the price. I agree definitely need car insurance but medical is going too far imo. All I know is before Obamacare health care for my family was a lot more affordable. Now it's not only more expensive but then in many cases the insurer people had, and were happy with, was no longer an option.

I agree no easy answers when it comes to this issue but I am not going to sit here and believe Obama did us any favors or blame insurance companies for following his plan. As far as I am concerned he is the fuk up

well you do know the ACA gave patients a bunch of favorable items that most people never had before, it is and was an improvement. Prices are dictated by the market.

[brooks85]

well you do know the ACA gave patients a bunch of favorable items that most people never had before, it is and was an improvement. Prices are dictated by the market.

liar and idiot


do you not realize how much an idiot you look like saying this and having supported obama? Of course you don't. You're not intelligent.


You say shit like "I'm pretty sure those two sentences are correct." lol moron

[Greget]

50% where do you see this?

It says they could go up 20%, but they had increased by just 7.5 percent on average in 2016 and 2 percent in 2015. That's an average of 9.8% over 3 years. Considering the average premium increase before Obamacare was 15%, I don't see how this is bad news.

[dante1]

one thread and brooks is critical of at least three people but has written nothing at all about the issue or the policy, simply name calling. and I say again the guy has not once written a coherent, intelligent rebuttal ever. Not one.

[brooks85]

50% where do you see this?

It says they could go up 20%, considering the average premium increase before Obamacare was 45%, I don't see how this is bad news.

then you're an idiot and would be an excellent target for a scam if you had a job...

[dante1]

50% where do you see this?

It says they could go up 20%, considering the average premium increase before Obamacare was 45%, I don't see how this is bad news.

50% is pure BS, that is what these guys do, complete BS. read brooks if you want complete unadulterated BS.

[brooks85]

one thread and brooks is critical of at least three well established idiots but has written nothing at all about the issue or the policy, simply name calling. and I say again the guy has not once written a coherent, intelligent rebuttal ever. Not one.

try being honest for once

[brooks85]

50% is pure BS, that is what these guys do, complete BS. read brooks if you want complete unadulterated BS.

wrong, for some it is higher than 50% you moron


20% is the average you two idiots


lol and you dumbasses get to vote... hillary is counting on it

[Greget]

Premiums had increased by just 7.5 percent on average in 2016 and 2 percent in 2015, Pro's Rachana Pradhan reports. If they increase 20% in 2017, that's 9.8% average over 3 years.

Much better than before Obamacare.

[Kermit]

50% is pure BS, that is what these guys do, complete BS. read brooks if you want complete unadulterated BS.

Don't know about 50%, but on the news today they said the average was going to be 26%

[Greget]

wrong, for some it is higher than 50% you moron


20% is the average you two idiots


lol and you dumbasses get to vote... hillary is counting on it

The title says premiums going up 50% NATIONWIDE

That's a lie.

[brooks85]

Premiums had increased by just 7.5 percent on average in 2016 and 2 percent in 2015, Pro's Rachana Pradhan reports. If they increase 20% in 2017, that's 9.8% average over 3 years.

Much better than before Obamacare.

posting incorrect bs isn't a good look but one we are used to from you

[brooks85]

The title says premiums going up 50% NATIONWIDE

That's a lie.

well, talk to the OP but for some people like in Arizona they are going up over 100% so shut up child

get back to making hot dog jokes, keep me entertained

[unde0087]

well you do know the ACA gave patients a bunch of favorable items that most people never had before, it is and was an improvement. Prices are dictated by the market.

So pre Obamacare, cheaper insurance and you could pick whatever insurer, post Obamacare prices sky rocket, options limited, and penalty for not having insurance.

And you believe Obamacare had no affect on market? Hmmmmm, looks pretty evident what the problem is to me but to each there own

[Greget]

In 2004, employer-sponsored health insurance premiums grew 11.2% to $9,950 for family coverage, and $3,695 for a single person, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Education Trust. The survey also found that 61% of workers were receiving employer sponsored health insurance.^[3]


So if premiums are only going up 9.8% on average for 2015 through 2017, that is lower than 2004. This is what happens when people just read headlines without informing themselves.