Brian Flores sues NFL for racial discrimination

[thomorino]

The Dumb Brian Flores Lawsuit Actually Shows Why the NFL Isn't Racist

Another dumb lawsuit from some people on the left who want to make everything about race.

The key to understanding why Flores didn't get a job is to look at his situation and compare it to Mike Zimmer's.

Mike Zimmer was successful by any definition as the Minnesota coach but he was fired for the same reasons Flores isn't getting a head coaching job.

The 2 kinds of coaches are getting hired are younger coaches and offensive minded head coaches. No one is hirig older defensive coaches because the view on the NFL is that the game favors younger coaches and most of the successful hires in the last 5 years have been younger coaches like Mcvay.

Zimmer was fired because even though he was successful he r fused to adopt to the modern NFL and play more tempo and spread. He wanted to run the ball and build his offense around running the ball. That's why Stefanski left the team, he didn't get along with Zimmer since he didn't run enough.

No one wants older defensive coaches. The trend is to young coaches and offensive minded head coaches. Marcus Freeman just got the head coaching job with notre Dame, he's black.

Most bad teams have bad quarterbacks and they need to draft and develop a quarterback, it doesn't make sense to bring in a defensive coach to do that. It much easier for younger offensive coaches to connect with quarterbacks than it is for older defensive coaches.

Almost 85% of the players in the NFL are black, all but 1 owner is white.

This lawsuit is trash.

[TheMoneyShot]

A reporter screwed up. He was the LB coach, that fat idiot Patricia was the DC

I thought it was always Patricia too.

[budwiser]

Budwiser said it best. A lot of owners want a lapdog. Someone they can tell what to do. They don’t want to yield that power. But when you are receiving local, state, government assistance, you lose some of that autonomy. This might bite them in the ass. I can see congress potentially stepping in here.

yeah it's just sad, for the players who put their heart and souls in the game. it bothers me to see this happen to a guy who took a team that went 8-8 was on fire. reminds me of marty schottenheimer fired from the redskins after taking a bloated team and making them mean and lean winning 5 in a row and why? daniel snyder.

it is what it is, everywhere. no matter where you work, you kiss the /ss of the owner(s). In this case the NFL owners have full control, and there are a lot of them. there is a lot of money, there is a lot of power, and you touch that power you get burned. you go with it, and that's it. there isn't even another f ing LEAGUE to compete-every time they try it gets trashed.

[lakerboy]

The Giants screwed up again. What else is new?

[thomorino]

The dumbest part about this lawsuit is he was hired as a head coach by a white owner in the first place.

[thomorino]

The Giants didn't do anything wrong and nothing that Flores has presented publicly shows the Giants did anything wrong. The Giants obviously knew Daboll was the guy bit they still interviewed Flores.

Knowing someone is the guy does not in anyway that guy had been hired. There is no case here.

[vitterd]

You’re on the wrong side of every issue.

The owner wanted to pay him 100k for every loss. He should be striped of his team and forced to sell.

Flores should not have been fired anyway. The chargers coach cost his team 6 games. If he was black, he’d be gone.

[thomorino]

You’re on the wrong side of every issue.

The owner wanted to pay him 100k for every loss. He should be striped of his team and forced to sell.

Flores should not have been fired anyway. The chargers coach cost his team 6 games. If he was black, he’d be gone.

The fact Flores and his lawyers say he was offered 100k for each loss doesn't make it true.

Flores tried to present some evidence that the Giants hired Daboll before interviewing him, he hasn't presented any evidence to back the claim about being offered money to lose.

Probably because no such evidence exists.

[BuckyOne]

All good points! But, an owner that tells the coach to lose on purpose is the bigger issue.

[trobin31]

When you come across these scandals and issues where they are looking to either cancel contracts or shift power....Always ask...who has the most to gain from all of this..always ask, or else you gonna sheep

[vitterd]

The fact Flores and his lawyers say he was offered 100k for each loss doesn't make it true.

Flores tried to present some evidence that the Giants hired Daboll before interviewing him, he hasn't presented any evidence to back the claim about being offered money to lose.

Probably because no such evidence exists.

Yeah, I’m sure a guy would make this up and ensure he never gets hired again. Think before you type. I know you hate equality but this is pretty clear cut. Giants got caught doing a token black interview and Miami owner tried to lose. These are problems.

[vitterd]

When you come across these scandals and issues where they are looking to either cancel contracts or shift power....Always ask...who has the most to gain from all of this..always ask, or else you gonna sheep

Flores has the most to lose. That can’t be disputed.

[thomorino]

You’re on the wrong side of every issue.

The owner wanted to pay him 100k for every loss. He should be striped of his team and forced to sell.

Flores should not have been fired anyway. The chargers coach cost his team 6 games. If he was black, he’d be gone.

Your comment as usual misses the point as well. Miami's biggest issue is bad quarterback play, they need a coach to who can develop a quarterback and improve the offense, that's not Flores, who is a defensive minded head coach.

Flores wasnt a good head coach and he's not the right one to lead this team forward.

NFL teams want young coaches and offensive minded head coaches, that's why guys like Zimmer and Flores are out. Zimmer won far more than Flores, but he's gone because he isn't viewed as a modern coach who favors tempo and spread.

[thomorino]

Yeah, I’m sure a guy would make this up and ensure he never gets hired again. Think before you type. I know you hate equality but this is pretty clear cut. Giants got caught doing a token black interview and Miami owner tried to lose. These are problems.

The Giants had already interviewed multiple black candidates before interviewing Daboll. Your comments are uninformed as usual.

[RangeFinder]

The issue is not race as council claims. They just want to throw that in there for the attention factor, and it worked. The issue is him not being hired after he was fired for not obeying a crooked owners demands, which looks like to other owners that he is defiant when asked to do certain things, which, hurt his chances of being hired.

This is not about race, at all. The used the race card to gather attention to a crooked owner.

Yes, lawyers do strategize.

[vitterd]

Your comment as usual misses the point as well. Miami's biggest issue is bad quarterback play, they need a coach to who can develop a quarterback and improve the offense, that's not Flores, who is a defensive minded head coach.

Flores want a good head coach and he's not the right one to lead this team forward.

NFL teams want young coaches and offensive minded head coaches, that's why guys like Zimmer and Flores are out. Zimmer won far more than Flores, but he's gone because he isn't viewed as a modern coach who favors tempo and spread.

Head coaches don’t typically develop qb’s. It’s the qb coach and off coordinator that works with the qb most.

Zimmer had years, he didn’t make it. Flores was fired for not losing enough and that has to be addressed.

[pablo222]

I think Zimmer should have done much better considering he had a good defense with a HOF/MVP QB with good weapons.

[thomorino]

I think Zimmer should have done much better considering he had a good defense with a HOF/MVP QB with good weapons.

The Vikings were hammered by injuries this year, Hunter, Griffin, Thielen, Cook.

I'd you look at the teams the Vikings lost to in the playoffs, like th 49ers the year the 49ers went to th super bowl, Zimmer never lost to teams less talented than the Vikings in big games when the team was healthy.

[thomorino]

The issue is not race as council claims. They just want to throw that in there for the attention factor, and it worked. The issue is him not being hired after he was fired for not obeying a crooked owners demands, which looks like to other owners that he is defiant when asked to do certain things, which, hurt his chances of being hired.

This is not about race, at all. The used the race card to gather attention to a crooked owner.

Yes, lawyers do strategize.

Again there is zero evidence that Ross offered Flores money to lose games. Flores lawyers haven't released any evidence to back that claim up.

[thomorino]

Head coaches don’t typically develop qb’s. It’s the qb coach and off coordinator that works with the qb most.

Zimmer had years, he didn’t make it. Flores was fired for not losing enough and that has to be addressed.

Wrong and it makes zero sense to hire an old defensive coach if you want to develop a young quarterback. The Dolphins biggest issue is quarterback play, not defense.

Zimmer and Flores were both fired for the same reason, race wasn't a part of either decision. No one wants older defensive coaches.

[Snowball]

There is an old expression.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Drop the ill-conceived Rooney Rule.

[trobin31]

Flores has the most to lose. That can’t be disputed.

Or does he? The Dolphins franchise is worth close to 4 billion dollars...who has the most to gain by Ross leaving and how much would it take to get Flores to make such a bold move knowing it will essentially end you coaching career...I might be wrong but I don’t buy the social justice angle here...there’s a lot more here than meets the eye and usually the one who comes out on top is not the one you suspect...

[thomorino]

Or does he? The Dolphins franchise is worth close to 4 billion dollars...who has the most to gain by Ross leaving and how much would it take to get Flores to make such a bold move knowing it will essentially end you coaching career...I might be wrong but I don’t buy the social justice angle here...there’s a lot more here than meets the eye and usually the one who comes out on top is not the one you suspect...

Flores has nothing to lose, he has no job and no one wants to hire him.

He also knows the NFL owners fear the discovery process and are likely to settle as they did with Kaepernick.

[manny24]

There is an old expression.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Drop the ill-conceived Rooney Rule.

there's a new expression too Snowy

if you get exposed just double down and ignore the facts

[Mac4Lyfe]

This is where I get off Mac.
Goodell has an Ivy League advanced degree in economics.
He made the NFL so much money off his expansion ideas it's ridiculous.

I'm starting to think now the real racist is here is you.
Prove me wrong.

Huh? What are you talking about? When did Washington and Jefferson COLLEGE become an IVY LEAGUE? He got a bachelors in Economics along with a million other people. Do you consider that an ADVANCED DEGREE??


The real question is how the FUKKK did he get the job in the first place? Affirmative Action? His record is horrible. Some of the cats at SBR are more eligible than he was.


Like I said before, the NFL made money despite Goodell. The guy has a long list of missteps that I won't even get into. His expansion ideas??? LOL.


Yep, Mac the racist holding the white man Goodell down.

[stevenash]

I stand corrected.
It was my understanding he graduated Penn.
Good eye Mac.

[ridgeway]

So Flores after being fired ratted everyone out. The owner, Bill B and other coaches on the team. What a punk!!

[JIBBBY]

Give the black man a coaching job of his choice I say! Call it reparations. After all it's black history month right?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Ray Rhodes got rehired? I’m not 100 percent but I thought he was hired again. This guy was like 40 years old. Of course he gets another chance if he does good somewhere else as a DC. It’s almost impossible to get rehired right away if you get canned and have 0 playoff games on your resume, regardless of the color.

Yep, you're right, Rhodes did get hired by GB but that was a rental. He only got hired in the first place because Holmgren left for Seattle. It was not a real hire if you ask me but you are correct. GB ended up 8-8 I think lost the tiebreaker to get in the playoffs and he got canned because they really wanted Mike Sherman. So another brother fired after going 0.500, not even a losing season.


I don't know the details here but IMO Flores should have approached the NFL before coming out with this suit. Maybe he did, I don't know but if he went straight to lawyers, that's not right. But I also don't agree with the NFL to just come out and deny the allegations. They should have not commented on this and just said that they take the allegations seriously and will have more to say once they thoroughly investigate. Both parties are pretty emotional in this.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Again there is zero evidence that Ross offered Flores money to lose games. Flores lawyers haven't released any evidence to back that claim up.

Then what logical reason did Ross fire Flores, who was on an 8 and 1 heater? The team was one of the best teams in the league at the end of the season. Fans, players, coaches all excited and he gets fired??? It makes zero sense.

[RangeFinder]

Again there is zero evidence that Ross offered Flores money to lose games. Flores lawyers haven't released any evidence to back that claim up.

I forgot to use the word "Allegedly". My bad.

[thomorino]

Then what logical reason did Ross fire Flores, who was on an 8 and 1 heater? The team was one of the best teams in the league at the end of the season. Fans, players, coaches all excited and he gets fired??? It makes zero sense.

It does make sense. The Dolphins need a quarterback and to improve offensively. Flores is a defensive coach.

Flores wasn't that good of a coach to begin with and he's not even an offensive coach, the key to the Dolphins taking the next step is to improve their offense, it makes no sense for the Dolphins to have a defensive coach right now.

Zimmer was fired for the same reason as well, he's white. Minnesota wants to go to tempo and spread, they don't want to just play old school football and run and play defense, which is what Zimmer wanted.

[stake1]

So Flores after being fired ratted everyone out. The owner, Bill B and other coaches on the team. What a punk!!

Well all of his contacts will think twice before sending him a text

[Mac4Lyfe]

The 2 kinds of coaches are getting hired are younger coaches and offensive minded head coaches. No one is hirig older defensive coaches because the view on the NFL is that the game favors younger coaches and most of the successful hires in the last 5 years have been younger coaches like Mcvay.

Morino - you are all over the map here. McVay is 36, Flores is 40 and Daboll is 46. Are you telling me that Flores is getting past over because he's too old? Have you looked at the ages of winning SB head coaches? Over the last decade they are around 60+ years old. None less than 55 years old. You have to go back to 2009 to find a young coach. Mike Tomlin at 36.

You do know that Flores started his coaching career as an offensive guy in New England and Daboll started his career as a defensive guy in New England??? Bill Belichick the most successful HC in the NFL started on special teams then moved to defense. He is a defensive minded coach. Harbaugh, Pete Carroll are defensive as well. WTH does that have to do with being a successful HC winning football games???

[Mac4Lyfe]

It does make sense. The Dolphins need a quarterback and to improve offensively. Flores is a defensive coach.

Flores wasn't that good of a coach to begin with and he's not even an offensive coach, the key to the Dolphins taking the next step is to improve their offense, it makes no sense for the Dolphins to have a defensive coach right now.

Zimmer was fired for the same reason as well, he's white. Minnesota wants to go to tempo and spread, they don't want to just play old school football and run and play defense, which is what Zimmer wanted.

Belichick is a defensive coach as well. Flores ended up 1 win less than Belichick and he was told to tank games. That's a fukkking miracle. He's had a winning record with an owner that was purposely trying to tank games and you think that makes him not a good coach? While Belichick is considered a miracle worker because he had Mac Jones. He also got a huge pass last season. I think you are talking about Belichick when you keep talking about offense???

Flores and Miami won their last games by the following amounts. All games by at least a TD. Please find me another coach who won 8 of 9 games by these margins???

8, 12, 7, 23, 11, 7, 17, 9

Are you really trying to compare Flores to Zimmer who was a head coach for 8+ years???