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  • milwaukee mike
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    • 08-22-07
    • 26914

    #5181
    Originally posted by Madison
    Holy crap! Appreciate all the info but I try to overcome my OCD daily. I can refer you to my therapist.

    Seriously though I refer to ???? post as to why it's spreading seemingly undeterred in the South.

    Thanks for the input though!
    well the media has to tell you that "it is spreading like wildfire in the south" because in democrat-cities the narrative went from pandemic lockdowns to riot curfews... the south was starting to have some good old redneck fun again, weddings, get togethers, picnics, don't forget... fun is outlawed!

    what a coincidence that we seamlessly went from lockdowns to curfews, another coincidence that "george floyd" is an anagram for "edge of glory" (moment of death)
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    • Madison
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-16-11
      • 6438

      #5182
      Originally posted by milwaukee mike
      if you look at the correction in garbage stocks like chk/htz it's been pretty unreal (so was the run up)... and even the higher quality names in hospitality/retail have given quite a bit back in just 2 days

      weird times, i never thought that airlines/oil/retail/hotels/casinos would trade like penny stocks
      Mike,

      I'm preservation of capital more buy and hold. I have WM and one other (To late to look up RSG?) but similar to waste mgmt. Opinion appreciated.
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      • Madison
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 09-16-11
        • 6438

        #5183
        Originally posted by navyblue81
        I pulled out of some stocks today and am doing no penny stocks for a while. Sadly, it’s best if the market sinks for a bit and then you get your engines ready for another surge. But it went up too high too fast and needs to pull back a bit. Still good bargains out there.
        Trimming as well, even with my longer term holds (realizing profits).
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        • milwaukee mike
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 08-22-07
          • 26914

          #5184
          Originally posted by Madison
          Mike,

          I'm preservation of capital more buy and hold. I have WM and one other (To late to look up RSG?) but similar to waste mgmt. Opinion appreciated.
          i think there's still some great opportunities in corporate debt/preferred stocks... a lot of those paying 8-12% or so... more protection than the common with the same kind of long-term return

          secured amc bonds, the newer cruise bonds, those are paying 12% (with some risk of course, but way less risk than the older bonds and especially the common stock)... you can find bank preferreds and safer stuff paying 8%
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          • Madison
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-16-11
            • 6438

            #5185
            Originally posted by milwaukee mike
            well the media has to tell you that "it is spreading like wildfire in the south" because in democrat-cities the narrative went from pandemic lockdowns to riot curfews... the south was starting to have some good old redneck fun again, weddings, get togethers, picnics, don't forget... fun is outlawed!

            what a coincidence that we seamlessly went from lockdowns to curfews, another coincidence that "george floyd" is an anagram for "edge of glory" (moment of death)
            Mike, you would be an interesting drink and dinner date. You have always had interesting (almost always intelligent) commentary in our chats in this and other forums.
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            • Madison
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-16-11
              • 6438

              #5186
              Originally posted by milwaukee mike
              i think there's still some great opportunities in corporate debt/preferred stocks... a lot of those paying 8-12% or so... more protection than the common with the same kind of long-term return

              secured amc bonds, the newer cruise bonds, those are paying 12% (with some risk of course, but way less risk than the older bonds and especially the common stock)... you can find bank preferreds and safer stuff paying 8%
              You're way over my intellect when it comes to day to day trading. I understand options to some extent but my days of gambling are far behind me and my intellect is 10% of what it was. LOL
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              • Madison
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-16-11
                • 6438

                #5187
                Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                i think there's still some great opportunities in corporate debt/preferred stocks... a lot of those paying 8-12% or so... more protection than the common with the same kind of long-term return

                secured amc bonds, the newer cruise bonds, those are paying 12% (with some risk of course, but way less risk than the older bonds and especially the common stock)... you can find bank preferreds and safer stuff paying 8%
                Are you referring to something related to CLO's? If so, see the link I posted earlier. Interesting read IMHO.

                I have to get some sleep. LOL
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                • milwaukee mike
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 08-22-07
                  • 26914

                  #5188
                  Originally posted by Madison
                  Are you referring to something related to CLO's? If so, see the link I posted earlier. Interesting read IMHO.

                  I have to get some sleep. LOL
                  no, i'm talking about buying bonds or preferred stocks in companies... for example if you think ford will survive, you can buy ford's preferred stock and get about 8%/year return... if they fail you still get something (when gm went bankrupt the preferred's got about 1/2) unlike the common stock where you usually get nothing

                  a lot of banks have the same thing, a common stock and a preferred stock. yes if clo's crash the banking industry those would be in trouble, but we're all pretty doomed at that point anyway
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                  • guitarjosh
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-25-07
                    • 5763

                    #5189
                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                    no, i'm talking about buying bonds or preferred stocks in companies... for example if you think ford will survive, you can buy ford's preferred stock and get about 8%/year return... if they fail you still get something (when gm went bankrupt the preferred's got about 1/2) unlike the common stock where you usually get nothing

                    a lot of banks have the same thing, a common stock and a preferred stock. yes if clo's crash the banking industry those would be in trouble, but we're all pretty doomed at that point anyway
                    We need to remember that if there's a bankruptcy, the preferred stock won't be paid off until the creditors are paid, and if you can't pay off all of the creditors, the preferred and common stockholders get nothing.
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                    • chico2663
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                      • 09-02-10
                      • 36915

                      #5190
                      Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                      no, i'm talking about buying bonds or preferred stocks in companies... for example if you think ford will survive, you can buy ford's preferred stock and get about 8%/year return... if they fail you still get something (when gm went bankrupt the preferred's got about 1/2) unlike the common stock where you usually get nothing

                      a lot of banks have the same thing, a common stock and a preferred stock. yes if clo's crash the banking industry those would be in trouble, but we're all pretty doomed at that point anyway
                      Bite your tongue. Mom has 812 shares of F. Tried to talk her in selling but that was no go.
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                      • dlowilly
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-09-16
                        • 13862

                        #5191
                        Looks like a bloodbath tomorrow...
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                        • milwaukee mike
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 08-22-07
                          • 26914

                          #5192
                          Originally posted by guitarjosh
                          We need to remember that if there's a bankruptcy, the preferred stock won't be paid off until the creditors are paid, and if you can't pay off all of the creditors, the preferred and common stockholders get nothing.
                          absolutely

                          but preferred stockholders usually get something... and when a company stops paying a preferred dividend, it counts as a default (and they still owe it, those are cumulative)... so usually unless a company goes bankrupt soon you're at least made close to whole on the preferred... my problem is i have way too much exposure on the hotel side, i should've sold some of those a few days ago before this big takedown

                          today looks really ugly in the "back to normal" trade, all because a few fearmongers use a spike in the south (based on people being INSIDE due to the heat) to blame the end of lockdowns
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                          • JAKEPEAVY21
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 03-11-11
                            • 29240

                            #5193
                            Holding AMZN, TSLA, GOOGL, MSFT and INTC.

                            After reading some suggestions, keeping an eye on DKNG, LEO.ST, EA and TSGI.TO
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                            • navyblue81
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-29-13
                              • 4143

                              #5194
                              OMG. XSPA. Figures. I sold my stock and that happens. I'm sick to my stomach. I saw that news yesterday of the split and got the hell out.
                              Last edited by navyblue81; 06-11-20, 07:28 AM.
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                              • JAKEPEAVY21
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 03-11-11
                                • 29240

                                #5195
                                Originally posted by navyblue81
                                OMG. XSPA. Figures. I sold my stock and that happens. I'm sick to my stomach. I saw that news yesterday of the split and got the hell out.
                                Ouch. This is exactly why i prefer to find what I think will be profitable long term and just hold. Whenever I try and get cute or veer off course, this type of thing seems to happen. Hang in there, just a bump in the road.
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                                • navyblue81
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-29-13
                                  • 4143

                                  #5196
                                  Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                  Ouch. This is exactly why i prefer to find what I think will be profitable long term and just hold. Whenever I try and get cute or veer off course, this type of thing seems to happen. Hang in there, just a bump in the road.
                                  Yup. It's why I got out of all penny's yesterday. Just did it one day too early. Airline stocks taking a hit pre-market. Some down nearly 20%. Ouch. Well, really most everything is taking a hit.
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                                  • whydubya
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 10-02-10
                                    • 136

                                    #5197
                                    Originally posted by navyblue81
                                    OMG. XSPA. Figures. I sold my stock and that happens. I'm sick to my stomach. I saw that news yesterday of the split and got the hell out.
                                    You realize shareholders now own only 1/3 of their original shares from yesterday right? So 6 dollars today is equivalent to 2 yesterday.
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                                    • navyblue81
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-29-13
                                      • 4143

                                      #5198
                                      Originally posted by whydubya
                                      You realize shareholders now own only 1/3 of their original shares from yesterday right? So 6 dollars today is equivalent to 2 yesterday.
                                      Seeing that now. I just saw the price and the % it went up and it didn't sink in. Makes me feel better although seeing all my other stocks pre-market this morning brings me back to feeling sick. What a rough week.
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                                      • homie1975
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-24-13
                                        • 15453

                                        #5199
                                        here come buying opportunities for those who have FOMO and missed the big run up
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                                        • d2bets
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 39993

                                          #5200
                                          Originally posted by homie1975
                                          here come buying opportunities for those who have FOMO and missed the big run up
                                          Not yet. Not even close.
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                                          • navyblue81
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-29-13
                                            • 4143

                                            #5201
                                            Originally posted by homie1975
                                            here come buying opportunities for those who have FOMO and missed the big run up
                                            Yup. Don’t think it will happen til at least next week or the week after but now is the time to research. But if you missed out on oil, it’s plummeted back down. Waiting for OAS to drop back down to $1. Almost there.
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                                            • d2bets
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 39993

                                              #5202
                                              Originally posted by navyblue81
                                              Yup. Don’t think it will happen til at least next week or the week after but now is the time to research. But if you missed out on oil, it’s plummeted back down. Waiting for OAS to drop back down to $1. Almost there.
                                              You're likely to get back in too early and will see early losses.Just be aware of that.
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                                              • navyblue81
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-29-13
                                                • 4143

                                                #5203
                                                Originally posted by d2bets
                                                You're likely to get back in too early and will see early losses.Just be aware of that.
                                                Could be. I think it will be more of a roller coaster effect for a little while where it goes up and down with more downs than up.

                                                By the way, did purchase 12 shares of MRNA this morning. One stock with some good news. Moving forward on final phase of vaccine testing. Got it at 61. Up to 64 now.
                                                Last edited by navyblue81; 06-11-20, 08:39 AM.
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                                                • milwaukee mike
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 08-22-07
                                                  • 26914

                                                  #5204
                                                  Originally posted by d2bets
                                                  Not yet. Not even close.
                                                  i disagree... a lot of these stocks got a 50% retracement from monday to the open today

                                                  kss opened 21.51 now 22.64
                                                  play opened 15.14 now 16.34
                                                  penn opened 28.13 now 30.30

                                                  pretty quick and easy 5-10% in a half hour on a lot of stuff
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                                                  • homie1975
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                    • 15453

                                                    #5205
                                                    Originally posted by d2bets
                                                    Not yet. Not even close.
                                                    not today but soon.

                                                    you are too Bearish, it is costing you money. i have friends who are Bearish AF and they are losing money while the rest of us rode this wave up the past 2.5 mos
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                                                    • navyblue81
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-29-13
                                                      • 4143

                                                      #5206
                                                      Looking at analyst buy ratings, the top buys right now are Alibaba, Amazon, Viking, Moderna, Microsoft, DKNG, Plug Power, and VIS. Saw good news on Alibaba today.
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                                                      • homie1975
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 12-24-13
                                                        • 15453

                                                        #5207
                                                        Originally posted by d2bets
                                                        You're likely to get back in too early and will see early losses.Just be aware of that.
                                                        no...one....can.....time.....markets! if you are long, get in ASAP and if need be average down on your positions
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                                                        • pavyracer
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 04-12-07
                                                          • 82611

                                                          #5208
                                                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                          I think next week we could have a sell off. I think we should sell some stocks and secure profit and have cash for next drop.
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                                                          • Snowball
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 11-15-09
                                                            • 30047

                                                            #5209
                                                            gonna be bad a couple weeks

                                                            they are shaking out the speculative excess.

                                                            rest of this month no good overall
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                                                            • CanuckG
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-23-10
                                                              • 21979

                                                              #5210
                                                              Just holding. No weak hands here.
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                                                              • CanuckG
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-23-10
                                                                • 21979

                                                                #5211
                                                                Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                hope you shorted a bunch of stuff
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                                                                • homie1975
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-24-13
                                                                  • 15453

                                                                  #5212
                                                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                                  the timing is the tricky part.

                                                                  as Canuck alluded to, did you sell before today and short the market? I doubt it.
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                                                                  • homie1975
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                                    • 15453

                                                                    #5213
                                                                    Originally posted by CanuckG
                                                                    Just holding. No weak hands here.
                                                                    Bingo. and if you have the extra cash, average down if your position drops X percent. of course this is only if you believe in the company long term.
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                                                                    • navyblue81
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 11-29-13
                                                                      • 4143

                                                                      #5214
                                                                      Anxious to see how this Moderna trial goes. I’m hoping I’ve got a lottery ticket here. If it passes, you will see a major explosion on that stock. They’re entering into phase 3.
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                                                                      • milwaukee mike
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 08-22-07
                                                                        • 26914

                                                                        #5215
                                                                        gnus offering another 60 million shares? there are only 96 million shares to begin with

                                                                        all the recent pump-and-dumps are really getting slaughtered
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