Active shooter at Mandalay Bay

[jayfly]

Another video... different vantage point. I don't see a flash at all coming from that area.

Check video around 0:38 mark

Do you know how to read? There are places everywhere that this has been explained.

[jjgold]

owning guns is an addiction

The most you need is 3 or tops 4

Automan addicted to them

Here is what you need

1 or 2 handguns and maybe one shotgun

[Grits n' Gravy]

let's see that evidence....

and jayfly, we all know the f'n casinos can pretty much track your ass down at any time due to eyes in the sky everywhere....

the shooter had to get the shit into his room somehow.... it didn't just magically appear there.....

thus, there is no doubt video of him (lobby, elevator, parking garage at a minimum, possibly hallway on floor).... thus, it will be easy for law enforcement to release these vids and lay the hundreds of conspiracy theories to rest by simply producing the vids of the alleged shooter ....

no videos = total bullshit

Casinos do not have to release videos to anyone. There is no legal obligation. Why release anything until they have completed the investigation? I would rather they are accurate with their work rather than throwing something on tv real quick to satisfy the public.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

owning guns is an addiction

The most you need is 3 or tops 4

Automan addicted to them

Here is what you need

1 or 2 handguns and maybe one shotgun

That sounds right. Shit hits the fan tho and youll need 10 or 20.

[TheMoneyShot]

at that trajectory he could still pull it off Moneyshot, not like hes shooting directly down
think about being 30+ stories up , where it puts you comparable to people lookin upwards on street level
there is a reason why this is a tactic during war , vantage position, they cant shoot you but you can drop them all day
and the goal is usually just to get a few stories up on your target, let alone 30
Him being so far away saved a lot of lives to as even though the caliber of those guns where big
at 3 + football field distance they lose their velocity to a certain extent

I dont think this one is a conspiracy, just a quack job that was ready to die but chose to bring pain on to others b4 he went

but wtf do I really know

Fidel... bro... you know I'm not fighting with you. We've always been cool with each other. I'm just asking a question. Technically you would have to be... let's say at least 5 feet from the ledge or window. Would that be a good assessment? Then... how long is the weapon? About 2 feet roughly? Honestly I don't exactly know. My point is... you would have to be relatively close to the window to fire downward. You are 32 floors in the air... not 4-5 floors....

Why aren't we seeing one single flash?

Remember that cab driver who spotted that strobe light or whatever it was on the 4th floor? We can see that damn thing... but we can't see a flash from a heavy military weapon? Not a peep?

That's all I'm saying man.

Those videos aren't focusing on that area of the hotel, at that time everyone was scrambling and no one knew where the shooter was, so we end up with a second here and a second there, and then people are trying to make definitive statements based upon that.

So while no one can give a definitive answer to your question, the evidence we have is overwhelming at this point.

I guess I'd have to ask you, if your questioning why there was no flash in that room and going down the road that there was no shooter in that location, then what is your alt theory as to where the shooter/s were and why didn't we see flashes from anywhere?

Well... first things first. I want to know why we can't see flashes of anything near or around the 32 floor. Secondly... your guess is as good as mine. I don't know if shots are being fired elsewhere? I don't know if it's a sound effect? Again... I'm not being an asshole here... I want to see some form of evidence... shots were coming from the 32 floor. So many camera phones are pointed to the building.... we see lights everywhere coming from Mandalay Bay... but we do not see FLASHES except for that stupid strobe light on the 4th floor. I am not saying this is gun fire... but what I'm am saying... if we can see that dumb strobe light... why in the hell can't we see gun fire from the 32nd floor area? At this time... it doesn't make sense to me.

Theories about other things.... I have no clue. I'm just looking for evidence to support what the media has dictated to me.

tms raising good point about lack of flash or at least reflection of flash off the ceiling /walls of that room he was firing from, and the need to be somewhat close to the window fire downward into the crowd below, particularly when you think about the amount of flash a near-fully auto gun should be putting out.... (see vid someone posted of the flash at night).....

strange shit, as that room is depicted in numerous vids while the shooting is occurring, yet no flash or reflection is seen...

Just trying to figure this out.

[d2bets]

RonPaul and I were both there this weekend for concerts - not the Route 91.

We had just gone up to our room at MGM at 10pm getting ready to go back out. Our room had direct view of MB and could hear the festival and see about half of the stage and the video screen on the right side, from a distance. I was sitting at the window looking out that way when I heard the shots. I knew it was either fireworks or gunfire. When I heard it a second time I knew it was gunfire and then saw an endless stream of police and ambulances going in same direction. Then saw a group of people frantically running across street toward MGM. I only recall hearing two bursts so maybe I missed the beginning or went down before it was over.

When we went down we saw a lot of people coming in from the festival that were pretty much collapsing and crying and frantic, some with blood. Just pure terror. Because we're both geniuses we headed out across toward NYNY and saw the emergency tents and police activity. Headed over bridge towards Excalibur. Then people started running out from NYNY saying there was a shooting there. More frantic people everywhere. So we headed into Excalibur. Maybe a bad idea. We were there for the next 6 hours or so. Shortly after entering we got caught in a panic with people running for cover like there was a shooter. People hiding under the bars, huddled everywhere. Went outside, told to come back in. Mayhem for awhile. There were rumors that there were other shooters and a car bomb. As we sit in casino waiting, twice full swat teams came through demanding hands up. We weren't allowed to leave toward MGM until after 4:30am.

At Excalibur we also talked to a guy who had blood on him who said he was there, saw people shot, helped them...he swore that there were multiple shooters including on the ground. I asked him though if he saw a shooter on the ground and he said no. I can understand his perspective, but not sure I'd trust it.

[slambam]

Two things, the cameras in these videos are not good, or at least not focused on where the shots came from. Look at the Mandalay sign, it's so blurry you can barely read it. Also, these cameras are probably a quarter mile from the room. Considering the distance and quality of the video, I'd almost be more surprised if we could see anything.

[CWD]

If you were setup several feet back... is it possible to fire in a downward trajectory?

Wouldn't you need to be pretty close to the window in order to fire downward on your target?

Again... just throwing things out there. I appreciate all answers.

yes would have to be high up i would guess - somewhere i heard or read he had built 2 platforms in the room is why i thought this, but have not heard about anything like that since then

[milwaukee mike]

RonPaul and I were both there this weekend for concerts - not the Route 91.

We had just gone up to our room at MGM at 10pm getting ready to go back out. Our room had direct view of MB and could hear the festival and see about half of the stage and the video screen on the right side, from a distance. I was sitting at the window looking out that way when I heard the shots. I knew it was either fireworks or gunfire. When I heard it a second time I knew it was gunfire and then saw an endless stream of police and ambulances going in same direction. Then saw a group of people frantically running across street toward MGM. I only recall hearing two bursts so maybe I missed the beginning or went down before it was over.

When we went down we saw a lot of people coming in from the festival that were pretty much collapsing and crying and frantic, some with blood. Just pure terror. Because we're both geniuses we headed out across toward NYNY and saw the emergency tents and police activity. Headed over bridge towards Excalibur. Then people started running out from NYNY saying there was a shooting there. More frantic people everywhere. So we headed into Excalibur. Maybe a bad idea. We were there for the next 6 hours or so. Shortly after entering we got caught in a panic with people running for cover like there was a shooter. People hiding under the bars, huddled everywhere. Went outside, told to come back in. Mayhem for awhile. There were rumors that there were other shooters and a car bomb. As we sit in casino waiting, twice full swat teams came through demanding hands up. We weren't allowed to leave toward MGM until after 4:30am.

At Excalibur we also talked to a guy who had blood on him who said he was there, saw people shot, helped them...he swore that there were multiple shooters including on the ground. I asked him though if he saw a shooter on the ground and he said no. I can understand his perspective, but not sure I'd trust it.

thank god you guys are alright

[Fidel_CashFlow]

MoneyShot ?

of course we are not arguing lol

you dont gotta keep tellin me that

I love a good discussion , its how you learn more knowledge

to help create your overall projection on things

I just doubt we will ever know most of these questions

Its just one of those things

I just wish the first shot he woulda took was the bullet into his head , instead of it being his last shot

[d2bets]

thank god you guys are alright

Thanks man. It was pretty fukked up. Friday night we were at Downtown LV Events Center for Offspring/Sublime. Same kind of outdoor venue setup with lots of hotels overlooking it.

[Optional]

I'm just asking a question. Technically you would have to be... let's say at least 5 feet from the ledge or window. Would that be a good assessment? Then... how long is the weapon? About 2 feet roughly? Honestly I don't exactly know. My point is... you would have to be relatively close to the window to fire downward.

If you are standing 5 feet from the window and have the rifle fulcrum at 6 foot high (the length of the barrel makes no difference) then you won't be able to aim at anything below an angle of 39.8 degrees.

In other words you 50.2 degrees to work with from level downward. Pretty steep slope still.

[Auto Donk]

Casinos do not have to release videos to anyone. There is no legal obligation. Why release anything until they have completed the investigation? I would rather they are accurate with their work rather than throwing something on tv real quick to satisfy the public.

legal obligation will indeed arise when they get hit with a couple of wrongful death lawsuits alleging negligence on the casino's part for failing to stop a guest from bringin in an arsenal and enough ammo to wipe out thousands of people..... whether valid or not, the lawsuits will give rise to subpoena power, and the plaintiff can easily serve a third-party subpoena duces tecum on MB and they will be forking over the vids....

cops can, and probably have, already obtained them, as well, as the last thing MB would want to do is come off as uncooperative after putting a deranged killer up in a comped f'n sweet.... recall how the fbi confiscated all local business vids that might have shown a jet crashing into the pentagon, then of course never released them....

taxpayers pay lombardo's and the rest of law enforcement's salaries, this prick needs to be one helluva lot more transparent..... yesterday he admitted he'd lie to the very people he supposed to protect and serve.....

[Auto Donk]

owning guns is an addiction

The most you need is 3 or tops 4

Automan addicted to them

Here is what you need

1 or 2 handguns and maybe one shotgun

add to that list at least one good bolt action deer rifle, and a .22 long rifle for rabbits, squirrells, and trespassing chicanos (ratshot only for the chicanos)

after that im good

[TheMoneyShot]

I just ran into this dude's video about the Vegas tragedy. It is way too long.

But... my main focus is looking for "flashing lights" something bright near the 32nd floor... or whatever.

This guy seems to show a good angle of what we're trying to look for... he has the gun fire sound... and lights on the building... decent detail. Where is the flash near or around the 32nd floor? I don't see it.


Now... I don't necessary agree 100% with everything he has said... but... he's just trying to figure out what exactly happened just like we are.

You can use your own judgement after a few minutes of this video.

Remember... my main goal is trying to find a bright light... a flicking light... something around the 32nd floor.


Start the video around 2:45 mark and watch it til at least 18:30 mark.








You can see where the 32nd floor is on this map.... and also the stage setup. No question he would have to be relatively close to the window while shooting. Not to mention.... look how damn long that range is????!??!?! Unbelievable.

You clearly should be able to see "FLASHING" somewhere.... near the 32nd floor... but there isn't any.

[chico2663]

add to that list at least one good bolt action deer rifle, and a .22 long rifle for rabbits, squirrells, and trespassing chicanos (ratshot only for the chicanos)

after that im good

good thing you haven't seen me yet. Call me the invisible fat chicano.

[slambam]

Coincidence or not... it is really fukkin weird.

https://squawker.org/politics/4chanvegas/

[chico2663]

donk we all know it was hillary

[Auto Donk]

donk we all know it was hillary

firing off a bump stock muff buster in this video, sending absolute terror down the spines of the reporters:

[Auto Donk]

good thing you haven't seen me yet. Call me the invisible fat chicano.

[Auto Donk]

I just ran into this dude's video about the Vegas tragedy. It is way too long.

But... my main focus is looking for "flashing lights" something bright near the 32nd floor... or whatever.

This guy seems to show a good angle of what we're trying to look for... he has the gun fire sound... and lights on the building... decent detail. Where is the flash near or around the 32nd floor? I don't see it.


Now... I don't necessary agree 100% with everything he has said... but... he's just trying to figure out what exactly happened just like we are.

You can use your own judgement after a few minutes of this video.

Remember... my main goal is trying to find a bright light... a flicking light... something around the 32nd floor.


Start the video around 2:45 mark and watch it til at least 18:30 mark.








You can see where the 32nd floor is on this map.... and also the stage setup. No question he would have to be relatively close to the window while shooting. Not to mention.... look how damn long that range is????!??!?! Unbelievable.

You clearly should be able to see "FLASHING" somewhere.... near the 32nd floor... but there isn't any.

range was no issue for the .223's involved.... under 300 yds, easiliy, and well within the capabilities of the ar.... and ballistics didn't really mean shit to him, nor did accuracy toward any one person, as he was shooting into a crowd of thousands....

[Roadtrip635]

I just ran into this dude's video about the Vegas tragedy. It is way too long.

But... my main focus is looking for "flashing lights" something bright near the 32nd floor... or whatever.

This guy seems to show a good angle of what we're trying to look for... he has the gun fire sound... and lights on the building... decent detail. Where is the flash near or around the 32nd floor? I don't see it.


Now... I don't necessary agree 100% with everything he has said... but... he's just trying to figure out what exactly happened just like we are.

You can use your own judgement after a few minutes of this video.

Remember... my main goal is trying to find a bright light... a flicking light... something around the 32nd floor.


Start the video around 2:45 mark and watch it til at least 18:30 mark.








You can see where the 32nd floor is on this map.... and also the stage setup. No question he would have to be relatively close to the window while shooting. Not to mention.... look how damn long that range is????!??!?! Unbelievable.

You clearly should be able to see "FLASHING" somewhere.... near the 32nd floor... but there isn't any.

I think most people think that flames roll out of barrels like it does in the movies. It's done like that in movies for effect, but flash suppressors are very effective in well, reducing the flash. The shooter standing farther back in the room also helps obscure any flash, the longer the shot, the farther back in the room he can shoot from. Also the further back in the room, the harder for detection and protects him from return fire from the ground. At the distance he was shooting, he could stand a good ways back from the window. Here's a vid comparing with and without flash suppressors.

[milwaukee mike]

if he stood back from the window then why are there 20 cold shells on the ground instead of 3000 hot ones burning the carpet?

[bigbubbafade]

[QUOTE=Roadtrip635;27253261The shooter standing farther back in the room also helps obscure any flash, the longer the shot, the farther back in the room he can shoot from. Also the further back in the room, the harder for detection and protects him from return fire from the ground. At the distance he was shooting, he could stand a good ways back from the window.
[/QUOTE]

You can't be serious.

[Chi_archie]

what is all this talk about where the shooter was standing...

wasn't he laying on platforms?

[TheMoneyShot]

I think most people think that flames roll out of barrels like it does in the movies. It's done like that in movies for effect, but flash suppressors are very effective in well, reducing the flash. The shooter standing farther back in the room also helps obscure any flash, the longer the shot, the farther back in the room he can shoot from. Also the further back in the room, the harder for detection and protects him from return fire from the ground. At the distance he was shooting, he could stand a good ways back from the window. Here's a vid comparing with and without flash suppressors.

Thanks for the post RT. I guess I'm trying to figure out why would a killer go through all that trouble to suppress a shot? Also, I wouldn't see any type of spark.... in a pitch black area with one attached?

what is all this talk about where the shooter was standing...

wasn't he laying on platforms?

I'm still confused about the platforms... or tripods for these guns? He has to somehow angle the shot downward.... at least a few degrees. With that gun in the photo... how is it possible to shoot downward using that platform... and being further back in the room?



I'm so curious at this killer's angle... or supposed angle... I really want to rent a room for a night over there.... near same location.... and see how close I need to be to the window... to target front of stage.

You're 64 years of age.... there's a broken window right in front of you.... you're 32 floors up in the air... I mean sh#$ you could lose your balance and fall out. You have to be right near that window to fire down. Like I said... just throwing my opinion out there... I am VERY CURIOUS to go out there one day... and Video Record everything.

I'm sure someone like myself is thinking the same thing.... and will post their video on youtube someday. Would love to see it.

[funnyb25]

I will ask tomorrow about all...Keep you updated

[TheMoneyShot]

Now they are saying... since he was a professional gambler... he was a VERY GOOD BLUFFER!

I think I'm done here. I'm tired of the bullsh#$ with this media.

[brooks85]

it does seem he would have to be at the window, he isn't far enough to be shooting prone and having the bullets land into the crowd.


also this is a good read

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-the-trigonometry-of-terror-why-the-las-1507085772-htmlstory.html

[Chi_archie]

it does seem he would have to be at the window, he isn't far enough to be shooting prone and having the bullets land into the crowd.




also this is a good read


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html

if you are on a raised platform you can be prone

also the angle is not steep, if he is shooting at people 4 football fields away

[The Kraken]

Ya, the spin that's about to take place will be unreal. It's gonna focus on gambling, money movement and eventually meds. I would bet a large amount of money he was on benzos or opiates at the time of the shooting, or in full blown withdrawal. But the focus will be on the fact he filled controlled prescriptions. There are plenty of scapegoats here for the gov't to get themselves off the hook.

As for the no flash, I can't answer that. I go back to the large amount of evidence we do have which is dead people, pics of a dead guy on floor 32, windows missing and tons of spent ammo rounds in that room. Why there was no flash evidence in those videos though, I'm not sure. Tons of cameras in Vegas, hopefully one had that part of the MB in view.

[brooks85]

if you are on a raised platform you can be prone

also the angle is not steep, if he is shooting at people 4 football fields away

was he on a raised platform? I have yet to see one or hear it mentioned again. Nothing but bipods so far. What was the the platform made out of?

Also, the angle would have to be very sharp at only 1000 ft. Bullets don't drop that much at 300-400 yards especially when you're 320ft in the air.

[The Kraken]

was he on a raised platform? I have yet to see one or hear it mentioned again. Nothing but bipods so far. What was the the platform made out of?

Also, the angle would have to be very sharp at only 1000 ft. Bullets don't drop that much at 300-400 yards, plus when you;re 320ft in the air...

The platform may have been the sofas that seemed to be in weird positions. Obviously speculation but I didn't see anything else in the pics

[brooks85]

The platform may have been the sofas that seemed to be in weird positions. Obviously speculation but I didn't see anything else in the pics

yeah, the sofas could certainly work. Seems kind of half-ass given all the care this guy went through. When I heard platforms I was thinking this guy built something with some 2x4's and laid prone which would work.

But if there are not platforms then it doesn't make sense how this guy could lay on the ground, back in the room, 320 ft in the air and have his bullets fall to the ground only 1000 feet away.

[Auto Donk]

fbi transparent as always during the f'n news conf. goin on right now.... told us not one damn thing......

fukin bullshit this f'n smug, pompous f'n fukhead....

then they wonder why that trust he spoke of is so f'n eroded...... fbi needs work