US Presidental Election at SBR, currently: Romney 46.7% Obama 53.3%

[jgilmartin]

Why are the only canddates listed are the two who represent the 2 political parties who have, hand in hand, driven America to the brink over the past several decades. You do realize that doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity don't you?

I will vote for Gary Johnson.

http://lp.org

This. How people that consider themselves fiscal conservatives are voting for Romney is beyond me. But when you have people, who make a huge percentage of their living from Americans betting online, encouraging Americans to vote for someone who wants to pass a federal law banning online gambling, I guess anything is possible.

[mikejamm]

I understand mikej. I voted democrat when I was a broke dik. Then I realized that taking from the rich and redistributing their money slows the economy and eventually leads to economic ruin. Sort of like we are seeing now.

I have nothing against Obama. He is a career politician with zero business experience. It's not his fault that he has no clue how to fix the economy. And its not your fault that you do not realize that socialism is not the answer. I'll bet the day you make something happen you will rethink your opinion on redistribution.

And I have nothing against Romney, except that he's a lying slime ball who will say and do anything to be president, bankrupted companies and put good honest hard work'in people out of work just to make a fuk'in buck! You really think this guy is a "good" businessman, John? Have you actually read about any of the companies he managed under Bain Capital? I guess not. Then again, ignorance is bliss when you think some rich fuker who made his money destroying other peoples lives, has all the answers.

So you voted Democrat when you were a "broke dick" huh? So now since you feel you supposedly have money, that you're too good to hang with the common folk huh? And your comment about redistribution, here's a fuk'in clue to that tired old redundant statement, nobody who works hard for their money and just wants the same opportunities to "earn" a living like everybody else, gives a rat's ass about gett'in a fuk'in hand out from the rich. In fact, it's the last thing a respectable American wants. You republicans said the same redistribution shit all during the Bush years, so how much money did you actually lose under that asshole and his tax cuts for the wealthy?

Yep you're right John, I'm not rich. I own my own home though, I'm putting my kids through college, and there's food on my table every night. Yeah it's not much, but I sleep good at night and with a clear conscience, because considering how much good honest hard work'in people have lost because of the narrow minded thinking of people like you, Bush and the Romneys of the world, I'm still ahead in the game. I even give some of what I have to my local food bank, because I'm well aware someone's kids out there are going hungry tonight and by a simple twist of fate, it could easily be you or me.

Glad to hear you were "once" a player for the common man John. At least you weren't born dick rich and obviously worked your way up, I'd like to thing that's how you did it anyway. There is an old saying though, "Don't forget where you came from and who helped you get to where you are now." Pretty much a mantra for me. We can only live in one house, drive one car, and eat till we're full. Anything else is just glutton and waste. He who dies with the most toys doesn't really win, he was just a greedy fuk who wasted his chance to do something good for mankind and the environment that gave him life.

And the question still remains, Why would a guy who made millions "firing people" and "closing companies", (Romney's exact words), want a job that only pays 400K a year? Just to stroke his rich fuk'in ego and nothing more. He couldn't get passed McCain in '08, and common sense will prevail here in 2012. But hey, Romney can always try to buy his way in again in 2016, he's got nothing else worthy to waste his ill gotten millions on. Building mansions and car elevators probably does get pretty fuk'in boring after a while.

[RogueScholar]

I understand mikej. I voted democrat when I was a broke dik. Then I realized that taking from the rich and redistributing their money slows the economy and eventually leads to economic ruin. Sort of like we are seeing now.

I have nothing against Obama. He is a career politician with zero business experience. It's not his fault that he has no clue how to fix the economy. And its not your fault that you do not realize that socialism is not the answer. I'll bet the day you make something happen you will rethink your opinion on redistribution.

Let's cut the shit, John. You don't oppose redistribution of wealth because you give two shits about the American economy. You're greedy and you think your "work ethic" or your willingness to take risks with money in search of prosperity somehow makes that greed a virtue. That's the end of my criticism of you though, because I can articulate an opinion without stooping to calling the other side "broke diks" and dismissing their opinion because they have different priorities than I do. You've given me many examples here of how awful that looks, so I'm gonna be the bigger man this time with you and teach you why you're wrong rather than call you names.

The fact is that redistribution of wealth is a vital component to any capitalist economy, because like any pyramid-shaped structure, that tiny gold capstone at the top comes tumbling down the minute the foundation erodes from underneath it. At its core, the generation of wealth is made possible by leveraging the resources of many people into the creation of value. This means that any economy is fundamentally dependent on the ability of its poorest members to generate productivity, because it's those smallest of currency units that define value for the rest of us.

A healthy capitalist economy is an essentially decentralized one, which is why—in theory at least—we have to prevent monopolies from occurring at any cost. When America was at its most prosperous, just cooking a burger involved the efforts of a grain farmer, cattle rancher, butcher and a grocer, all working independently and sometimes at odds with each other for their own prosperity. Each person along the line served as a check on prices and inflation, because their survival depended on being competitive with their counterpart one town over. That kind of fighting for pennies at each step along the way meant that average consumers were spending as little as possible on the necessities of life, leaving them with extra money to spend and giving the country a huge middle class.

The system begins to break down once the process becomes streamlined and one man, in the effort to sell that same hamburger, buys out the grain farmer, the cattle rancher, the butcher and the grocer, replacing them with the cheapest labor available and keeping the profits once made and spent by the farmer, rancher, butcher and grocer for himself. He's only one man though, so he's not spending that money locally like they did on haircuts and drinks at the pub, rather he's buying a jet in France and hookers in Thailand. As a result, the barber can't make enough cutting hair and the pub owner can't sell enough drinks to stay afloat, so they have to take worse jobs as cogs on Mr. Burger's gears, while he then opens up a Supercuts franchise and Buffalo Wild Wings to replace their services in town. The downward spiral continues until only two classes of people are left, Mr. Burger and the people working for next to nothing to feed his greed.

Back to my point of an economy being limited by the potential of its poorest members, we now see why that is. Mr. Burger didn't really make all those profits out of thin air, he took them from the farmer, rancher, butcher and grocer to put in his own pocket. As a result, the ranks of the impoverished swelled as their skills were assiduously devalued to fuel the greed of Mr. Burger and his shareholders.

The conservatives are right that there's a moral crisis at the heart of our current economic woes, but it's not gays getting married and teen girls having babies out of wedlock or getting abortions. The crisis is, in fact, the greed exhibited by the people who already have more money than they could spend in a lifetime. As a society, we create those outrageous tax brackets at the top of the pyramid in order to discourage that greed, to make clear that we are aware that every millionaire in America got his fortune on the backs of the poor and middle class, and that comes with a responsibility not to turn them into de facto slaves. Our message, borne of a simple understanding of human nature and history, is that we want people to work hard, innovate and compete, but that there should always be limits on wealth, because with it comes corruption.

Thomas Jefferson said it best, I think, when he wrote:

“We have no paupers. The great mass of our population is of laborers; our rich, who can live without labor, either manual or professional, being few, and of moderate wealth. Most of the laboring class possess property, cultivate their own lands, have families, and from the demand for their labor are enabled to exact from the rich and the competent such prices as enable them to be fed abundantly, clothed above mere decency, to labor moderately and raise their families. Can any condition of society be more desirable than this?”

All of you who denounce redistribution of wealth by high taxes on the rich also forfeit your claim to a virtuous work ethic. When you decided that your skill at taking money out of someone else's pocket to place in your own absolved you of a responsibility to reinvest in your own economy, all you had left was a greed ethic. Paying high taxes is your investment in our economy, ensuring that society can help the poor to become middle class, and the middle class to become rich, which keeps the prosperity cycle alive, diverse and competitive. We suffer now because you refuse to honor that sacred responsibility.

[ACoochy]

What is this crimes? Your gonna tell me he didn't make the right decision by going to Afghanistan?

JD, the world is still waiting on those WMD's...Where are they exactly??

[stevenash]

Florida ain't happening for Obama

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6:00AM		1104 Mitt Romney wins Florida		<input id="editx" name="M2_2" size="4" maxlength="5" style="font-size: 1em; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); "> -230

Colorado is a pick

Tue 11/6		1101 Barack Obama wins Colorado		<input id="editx" name="M1_1" size="4" maxlength="5" style="font-size: 1em; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); "> -115
6:00AM		1102 Mitt Romney wins Colorado		<input id="editx" name="M2_1" size="4" maxlength="5" style="font-size: 1em; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); "> -125

[shari91]

I understand mikej. I voted democrat when I was a broke dik. Then I realized that taking from the rich and redistributing their money slows the economy and eventually leads to economic ruin. Sort of like we are seeing now.

I have nothing against Obama. He is a career politician with zero business experience. It's not his fault that he has no clue how to fix the economy. And its not your fault that you do not realize that socialism is not the answer. I'll bet the day you make something happen you will rethink your opinion on redistribution.

This is a very close-minded way of thinking and although I'm being pedantic now, it's a pet peeve when I hear people saying that this country or that might become socialist if xxx is the leader. There is no hope of the US becoming a socialist country and Obama hasn't suggested anything to make it so. Socialist countries in 2012: China, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba.

Using socialism as a dirty word is fine if that's your belief and if it's used in the correct context. That is not the case in the US now or in the foreseeable future unless you believe the Democratic Socialist Party of America with their 10k members will likely win the presidential election any time soon.

[aceking]

Can we have Obama -110 instead of -300 in the SBR Sportsbook ?

[slacker00]

Lame poll. I'm voting for Ron Paul. Anyone voting for either one of these figureheads is brainwashed.

[Thor4140]

I understand mikej. I voted democrat when I was a broke dik. Then I realized that taking from the rich and redistributing their money slows the economy and eventually leads to economic ruin. Sort of like we are seeing now.

I have nothing against Obama. He is a career politician with zero business experience. It's not his fault that he has no clue how to fix the economy. And its not your fault that you do not realize that socialism is not the answer. I'll bet the day you make something happen you will rethink your opinion on redistribution.

These comments are just showing that Texas ignorance. Redistribution of wealth has taken place under Obama? Could you explain to us when? He has continued all the same tax breaks under the Bush plan. You throw out shit that is so far from the truth it just makes you look like a retard. Redistribution of wealth is taking place right now and it is completely the opposite to what you say. Warren Buffet said "we have class welfare in this country and my class is winning" I tend to listen to him rather than some misinformed person from Texas who has no other news sources than Fox News and nitwit neo-con radio. You see here lies the problem. You get fed that garbage over and over again and you are to gullible to actually see if it is factual. Taxes are at a historical low yet u somehow come up with redistribution of wealth taken place. Priceless. Just like how you think you built this business on your own but without the Gov't creating the internet u don't build shit. I know your party doesn't like to hear about the gov't creating jobs but there are a lot of rich folks out there who made it because the gov't created the platform for them to get rich. Your post is so full of bullshit you u should be embarrassed you posted it.

[Thor4140]

This is a very close-minded way of thinking and although I'm being pedantic now, it's a pet peeve when I hear people saying that this country or that might become socialist if xxx is the leader. There is no hope of the US becoming a socialist country and Obama hasn't suggested anything to make it so. Socialist countries in 2012: China, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba.

Using socialism as a dirty word is fine if that's your belief and if it's used in the correct context. That is not the case in the US now or in the foreseeable future unless you believe the Democratic Socialist Party of America with their 10k members will likely win the presidential election any time soon.

Exactly. He hears this garbage on Fox News and he takes it as gospel. Pity really.

[Thor4140]

Let's cut the shit, John. You don't oppose redistribution of wealth because you give two shits about the American economy. You're greedy and you think your "work ethic" or your willingness to take risks with money in search of prosperity somehow makes that greed a virtue. That's the end of my criticism of you though, because I can articulate an opinion without stooping to calling the other side "broke diks" and dismissing their opinion because they have different priorities than I do. You've given me many examples here of how awful that looks, so I'm gonna be the bigger man this time with you and teach you why you're wrong rather than call you names.

The fact is that redistribution of wealth is a vital component to any capitalist economy, because like any pyramid-shaped structure, that tiny gold capstone at the top comes tumbling down the minute the foundation erodes from underneath it. At its core, the generation of wealth is made possible by leveraging the resources of many people into the creation of value. This means that any economy is fundamentally dependent on the ability of its poorest members to generate productivity, because it's those smallest of currency units that define value for the rest of us.

A healthy capitalist economy is an essentially decentralized one, which is why—in theory at least—we have to prevent monopolies from occurring at any cost. When America was at its most prosperous, just cooking a burger involved the efforts of a grain farmer, cattle rancher, butcher and a grocer, all working independently and sometimes at odds with each other for their own prosperity. Each person along the line served as a check on prices and inflation, because their survival depended on being competitive with their counterpart one town over. That kind of fighting for pennies at each step along the way meant that average consumers were spending as little as possible on the necessities of life, leaving them with extra money to spend and giving the country a huge middle class.

The system begins to break down once the process becomes streamlined and one man, in the effort to sell that same hamburger, buys out the grain farmer, the cattle rancher, the butcher and the grocer, replacing them with the cheapest labor available and keeping the profits once made and spent by the farmer, rancher, butcher and grocer for himself. He's only one man though, so he's not spending that money locally like they did on haircuts and drinks at the pub, rather he's buying a jet in France and hookers in Thailand. As a result, the barber can't make enough cutting hair and the pub owner can't sell enough drinks to stay afloat, so they have to take worse jobs as cogs on Mr. Burger's gears, while he then opens up a Supercuts franchise and Buffalo Wild Wings to replace their services in town. The downward spiral continues until only two classes of people are left, Mr. Burger and the people working for next to nothing to feed his greed.

Back to my point of an economy being limited by the potential of its poorest members, we now see why that is. Mr. Burger didn't really make all those profits out of thin air, he took them from the farmer, rancher, butcher and grocer to put in his own pocket. As a result, the ranks of the impoverished swelled as their skills were assiduously devalued to fuel the greed of Mr. Burger and his shareholders.

The conservatives are right that there's a moral crisis at the heart of our current economic woes, but it's not gays getting married and teen girls having babies out of wedlock or getting abortions. The crisis is, in fact, the greed exhibited by the people who already have more money than they could spend in a lifetime. As a society, we create those outrageous tax brackets at the top of the pyramid in order to discourage that greed, to make clear that we are aware that every millionaire in America got his fortune on the backs of the poor and middle class, and that comes with a responsibility not to turn them into de facto slaves. Our message, borne of a simple understanding of human nature and history, is that we want people to work hard, innovate and compete, but that there should always be limits on wealth, because with it comes corruption.

Thomas Jefferson said it best, I think, when he wrote:



All of you who denounce redistribution of wealth by high taxes on the rich also forfeit your claim to a virtuous work ethic. When you decided that your skill at taking money out of someone else's pocket to place in your own absolved you of a responsibility to reinvest in your own economy, all you had left was a greed ethic. Paying high taxes is your investment in our economy, ensuring that society can help the poor to become middle class, and the middle class to become rich, which keeps the prosperity cycle alive, diverse and competitive. We suffer now because you refuse to honor that sacred responsibility.

He won't read more than 2 paragraphs of your post.

[Thor4140]

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And the question still remains, Why would a guy who made millions "firing people" and "closing companies", (Romney's exact words), want a job that only pays 400K a year? Just to stroke his rich fuk'in ego and nothing more. He couldn't get passed McCain in '08, and common sense will prevail here in 2012. But hey, Romney can always try to buy his way in again in 2016, he's got nothing else worthy to waste his ill gotten millions on. Building mansions and car elevators probably does get pretty fuk'in boring after a while.

Beacause most of his supporters just see him as being rich and they think someday they will be rich. These dim bulbs have no clue how he made his money and couldn't care less. They just don't have it in them to educate themselves about the subject and rather listen to talking points and run with those. Anyone who thinks this guy is a great businessman because he is rich and doesn't know how he became rich is gullible, and anyone who thinks it is great is a despicable human being.

[Wilfred]

The Trickle down theory doesn't work when the Rich aren't spending their money. It especially doesn't work when they are spending their money in another country to save $2000 of their 52,000,000 fortune. Some rich guys know what the right thing to do is and they will be voting for Obama.

[rkelly110]

I find it disgusting a party or people that uses the bible or a religion to put their values in their policies are the one's who
abuse them the most.

Every religion I know of tells you to help the weak. The so called religious Repub party and those that belong
are against the weak? I know some aren't like that, but that's not what I'm seeing. It's do as I say, not what I do.

Mitt made his money stripping companies down and hurting people who had lifelong careers there, while walking
away with millions in his pocket. Giving millions to his church and charity makes it ok that he screwed people for money?

I'm not cool with that and I'm glad others in here agree.

[jarvol]

I find it disgusting a party or people that uses the bible or a religion to put their values in their policies are the one's who
abuse them the most.

Both Repubs and Dems have used their religion for decades to set their policies at federal, state and local levels. It isn't just Repubs fault we have blue laws and a war on drugs and marriage discrimination and constant wars against non-Christian countries.

[rkelly110]

Yes, you are correct. Actions speak louder than words.

Mitt made his millions off the backs of hard workers, 'bama has, by way of policies, shown he is for the hard workers.

Mitt might be religious, but 'bama is living it the way it is intended.

[DwightShrute]

Mitt made his millions off the backs of hard workers, 'bama has, by way of policies, shown he is for the hard workers.

rkelly that is so untrue. WTF are you talking about? Mitt ran a business properly. He saved jobs. What would you rather see, a company that is failing and just do nothing about? just leave it to slowly die and then everyone is out of a job? Then wait for the government to bail the company out using other's tax payer's money? Or hire someone like Mitt to fix it? Unbelievable listening to this stuff. Are you one of these guys that went to school and got "participation ribbons" on sports day? Where do you get this thinking from?

This 16+ trillion debt and failed government ventures like Solynra is for hard workers? Oh my stomach! Who is eventually gonna pay for it? Take a guess? It won't be the poor and it won't be the rich. Ya the middle class. Not to mention the devaluation of the US dollar.

rkelly do me a favor one day. When you have an hour to kill, walk into a bank and go to the loans manager. Tell him or her that you want a loan to start a business. This business will lose money every year and there is no chance I can repay the loan. Tell me what their reaction is.

Mitt might be religious, but 'bama is living it the way it is intended.

huh? (banging head on desk)

[Wrigley]

However Obama would win the electoral vote

http://electoral-vote.com/

Who conducts polls?
Polling companies. These are specialized companies (part of) whose business is conducting public opinion polls. There are a few polling companies that operate nationally and many local ones. A number of universities also have a polling institute since they have an abundance of the key ingredient: cheap labor. The websites of some of the major polling organizations are listed below. Note that most of them do not give much useful data for free. To get the numbers, you have to buy a subscription, in which case a wealth of data is provided.

The Gallup Poll
Mason-Dixon
Quinnipiac University Polling Institute
Rasmussen Reports
SurveyUSA
PPP

[ProfaneReality]

It would be so fun to see the Republicans reaction if Romney wins the popular vote but loses on electoral votes.

[Thor4140]

It would be so fun to see the Republicans reaction if Romney wins the popular vote but loses on electoral votes.

We would hear about it every day for the next 4 years. Completely forgetting this happen with Bush. Remembering something that doesn't favor them is not one of their strong suits.

[BuddyBear]

This is an unscientific poll so nothing much should be read into other than a way to stir up political discussion BUT if you look at the results more carefully and see that it is basically a dead heat among SBR posters who fit the profile of Romney voters (i.e. white, male, uneducated, religious, voters), you can basically see that Obama is going to win.

[Kindred]

Are all the obummer voters too stupid to see how badly obummer has lied about the terrorist attack in Libya

Bunch of useful idiots and more proof that the educational system in this country is a disgrace

[Kindred]

This is an unscientific poll so nothing much should be read into other than a way to stir up political discussion BUT if you look at the results more carefully and see that it is basically a dead heat among SBR posters who fit the profile of Romney voters (i.e. white, male, uneducated, religious, voters), you can basically see that Obama is going to win.

what a tool..yeah those right wingers are all degenerate gamblers who love hookers and drugs when they don't have any games to bet on

[SBR_John]

We got the Karl Marx Fan Club going crazy all of the sudden.

So its ignorant to think when corporate tax rates are more than double that of Canada and the majority of the free world its a bad thing? So ignorant to think its bad to borrow .40 of every dollar the US spends?

Reagan said it best "democrats aim at the rich and always hit the poor". Higher taxes, runway debt and more redistribution will hurt the poor and middle class the most. It slows the economy, investment and forces companies to move. We are headed for a Kral Marx type disastrous ending with Obama smiling and not having a clue. And just watch who will suffer the most.

[CanuckG]

Can we have Obama -110 instead of -300 in the SBR Sportsbook ?

[boeing power]

[Kindred]

Gallup Has Romney Up by 7: Should Obama Panic?

Revenge of the Soccer Moms: Why Are Women Abandoning Obama?

[ttwarrior1]

why are foreigners voting, maybe we should check id for everyone

[Wrigley]

Gallup Has Romney Up by 7: Should Obama Panic?

Revenge of the Soccer Moms: Why Are Women Abandoning Obama?

Obama still would win the electoral vote so he not to worried gallup polls meaningless for president on less you break it down by state and figure out the electoral

http://electoral-vote.com/

[King Mayan]

Are all the obummer voters too stupid to see how badly obummer has lied about the terrorist attack in Libya

Bunch of useful idiots and more proof that the educational system in this country is a disgrace

[Pew Pew]

SBR John is fuucking buried

RogueScholar and mikejam just shit on Old Johnnayyyyy

[DwightShrute]

SBR John is fuucking buried

RogueScholar and mikejam just shit on Old Johnnayyyyy

totally opposite actually

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

[rkelly110]

rkelly that is so untrue. WTF are you talking about? Mitt ran a business properly. He saved jobs. What would you rather see, a company that is failing and just do nothing about? just leave it to slowly die and then everyone is out of a job? Then wait for the government to bail the company out using other's tax payer's money? Or hire someone like Mitt to fix it? Unbelievable listening to this stuff. Are you one of these guys that went to school and got "participation ribbons" on sports day? Where do you get this thinking from?

This 16+ trillion debt and failed government ventures like Solynra is for hard workers? Oh my stomach! Who is eventually gonna pay for it? Take a guess? It won't be the poor and it won't be the rich. Ya the middle class. Not to mention the devaluation of the US dollar.

rkelly do me a favor one day. When you have an hour to kill, walk into a bank and go to the loans manager. Tell him or her that you want a loan to start a business. This business will lose money every year and there is no chance I can repay the loan. Tell me what their reaction is.


huh? (banging head on desk)

So tell me how he ran a successful business by shutting them down and walking away with millions?
Sure, he's had some successes. Now, tell me how you'd feel being on the receiving end of one of his losing "ventures".
You could argue, being on the one of his winning ventures, because that's how you people think.

Listening to Mitt spew his bullshit about how he tried everything to save those companies makes me laugh.
Why? Because if he really tried, guess what, he would've walked away with a loss.

I'm sorry, I can't support anyone who screws people for money, whether it be my Pres or my garage.
I wouldn't be in a repeat business if I screwed my customers.

Solyndra was an oops, can't win 'em all. All the govt waste we have, Solyndra was a drop in the bucket.

You guys look at that 16T and think the black guy did it. Who started with a surplus again? What was the debt at
the end of his term? Most of the 6T added is from interest, tax cuts and 'bama's 1.5T spending.(mostly loans)

The huh part is, 'bama is actually trying to help the hard worker, using his religion as it was intended, not
screwing people for money like Mitt and then giving money to his church as a way for forgiveness.

The bible has a verse that says, it's harder for a man with money to get into heaven than it is to get a camel
through the eye of a needle.

[DwightShrute]

So tell me how he ran a successful business by shutting them down and walking away with millions?
Sure, he's had some successes. Now, tell me how you'd feel being on the receiving end of one of his losing "ventures".
You could argue, being on the one of his winning ventures, because that's how you people think.

Listening to Mitt spew his bullshit about how he tried everything to save those companies makes me laugh.
Why? Because if he really tried, guess what, he would've walked away with a loss.

I'm sorry, I can't support anyone who screws people for money, whether it be my Pres or my garage.
I wouldn't be in a repeat business if I screwed my customers.

Solyndra was an oops, can't win 'em all. All the govt waste we have, Solyndra was a drop in the bucket.

You guys look at that 16T and think the black guy did it. Who started with a surplus again? What was the debt at
the end of his term? Most of the 6T added is from interest, tax cuts and 'bama's 1.5T spending.(mostly loans)

The huh part is, 'bama is actually trying to help the hard worker, using his religion as it was intended, not
screwing people for money like Mitt and then giving money to his church as a way for forgiveness.

The bible has a verse that says, it's harder for a man with money to get into heaven than it is to get a camel
through the eye of a needle.

wow.

how do you have a discussion with someone that thinks 500 million is a drop in the bucket? Obama loves guys like you. You are so desensitized with all this spend over so many years that you think half a trillion here and there is fine. A drop in the bucket. 6 trillion or 20 trillion. Just a number that means nothing. Nothing if your guy does it but a huge issue if the other guy does it. LOL. You criticize someone for being being smart and successful in the free enterprise system like Romney. One who creates jobs. But give a total free pass to an arrogant inept President to blows a half trillion of your dollars so that some other poor bastards will eventually have to pay for it? Solyndra wasn't the only oops, just one of hundreds.

Bush was an idiot for over spending and Obama is more of an idiot because he spent much much more. They both were wrong but you decide to make excuses for one and blame the other. Sorry you can't see that. I know I know .... Obama is great. Romney is evil. Geez.

[newguy]

Cast my vote this morning for Romney in the real election (Voted absentee in person at local election office), and just voted for him here. I can't even imagine how bad things will be if Obama is given another 4 years. In two debates all I have heard is how he is going to take my income and re-distribute it with no thought about why I earn what I do.My sister is a teacher and her hourly salary is higher than mine (I make much much more, but work 1000 more hours than she does a year as well). Yet somehow its cool for me to pay more than she makes in taxes already and STILL be told I am not paying my fair share. For every dollar they rip out of welfare, I will pay an extra dollar. Agree that everyone needs to do more right now, but it can't just be the "rich" (of which I am not even pretending to be a part of)