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  • RAK
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    • 11-29-10
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    #141
    What book has SD -8?
    Last edited by RAK; 12-13-10, 03:49 PM.
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    • ClimbSomeRocks
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      • 11-04-09
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      #142
      Originally posted by BetterBizness
      SSK you're "teaser/round robin/parlay" team really needs to reevaluate what you're doing... You are really going away from any strengths you started to have by putting all sorts of teams in play... and then on top of that you're hedging them...

      You, yourself, even said you weren't projected for a big week.. Yet you touch over 70% of the games in play?

      I'm only telling you this because I know.. I used to do what you do... and still do now to a lesser degree...

      I know you're trying to show everyone what you can do, but put your ego/ambition in check, and figure out games that have an edge and getting the right number/price... You would get WAY more respect touching 2-3 games and betting them strongly, then whatever it is that's going on here the past few weeks...
      Great information here! SSK you're record of ATS picks speaks for itself. Keep those up and be more selective with your plays, I think you're a very profitable capper. Also, your threads are going to continue to get closed if you battle with the haters on this forum. A friend of mine who is becoming a very successful business man said "If you don't have haters... then you're not at the top." Just continue doing what you do best and handicapping games. If you ignore the trolls and haters, they'll fade away. I've seen too many cappers over 60% chased away from this forum because of drama, don't let them add another one to their resume.
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      • ssk13809
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        • 08-25-10
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        #143
        Originally posted by RAK
        What book has SD -8?
        The book I said I've been using all year

        Bookmaker


        Cash this in guys, it's a good one. And I hit 70% on teasers long-term anyways (Avg. Bet odds of +100)

        Originally posted by ssk13809

        2 Team Teaser (6 points)
        Chargers -2
        Raiders -0.5

        Risk 22 to Win 20


        Excellent teaser. Chargers are in do or die mode, and trust me, the 49ers still suck. No way they go into San Diego with Alex Smith and no running game (Seattle shut their running game down) and beat the Chargers. Furthermore, Phillip Rivers is not Hasselbeck, and that is the only reason San Francisco "looked" so dominant. 49ers still have a weak secondary. Finally, 49ers play a lot worse on road vs. home. Lock that in.

        Raiders vs. Broncos? Broncos are arguably the worst team in the NFL. The Cardinals beat them 43-13. This team looked just horrible with new coach, Orton went 19/41 against one of the worst pass defenses. Raiders on the other hand, destroyed the Broncos 59-21 in Denver, and are solid on both ends. Furthermore, Denver already sucks on the road, and Raiders are a good home team this year. Lock this in too.
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        • ssk13809
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          #144
          Originally posted by ClimbSomeRocks
          Great information here! SSK you're record of ATS picks speaks for itself. Keep those up and be more selective with your plays, I think you're a very profitable capper. Also, your threads are going to continue to get closed if you battle with the haters on this forum. A friend of mine who is becoming a very successful business man said "If you don't have haters... then you're not at the top." Just continue doing what you do best and handicapping games. If you ignore the trolls and haters, they'll fade away. I've seen too many cappers over 60% chased away from this forum because of drama, don't let them add another one to their resume.
          You think anyone can chase me away? I chase away haters not the other way around.


          But you're spot on here

          A friend of mine who is becoming a very successful business man said "If you don't have haters... then you're not at the top."
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          • 847jhop10
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            • 10-04-10
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            #145
            SSK who do u like today Gmen or Vikings?
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            • ssk13809
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              #146
              Originally posted by 847jhop10
              SSK who do u like today Gmen or Vikings?
              Slight lean on NYG. I had a slight lean on MINN before they lost Home Court Advantage.
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              • 847jhop10
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                #147
                Originally posted by ssk13809
                Slight lean on NYG. I had a slight lean on MINN before they lost Home Court Advantage.
                Im with you on this one I think the D shuts down Jackson (or Favre) and Eli has a good game in Detroit
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                • GoCougs!
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                  • 07-11-10
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                  #148
                  Have a great trip. Thanks for the insite on your picks.
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                  • Pete0
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                    #149
                    SSK dont u have a 3g/4g phone ?

                    I dont know what makes it so busy to just make a simple post
                    You dont need to bold or fancy ur posts, but u should be able to take 2 min of ur time to log in and say what ur picks are ?

                    atleast post if there is a lock

                    c'mon man , help the forum out
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                    • ssk13809
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                      #150
                      Originally posted by Pete0
                      SSK dont u have a 3g/4g phone ?

                      I dont know what makes it so busy to just make a simple post
                      You dont need to bold or fancy ur posts, but u should be able to take 2 min of ur time to log in and say what ur picks are ?

                      atleast post if there is a lock

                      c'mon man , help the forum out
                      Oh trust me, I will be way too busy to do anything. The recruitment process is quite intense, and besides when you are in another country, the last thing you want to do is post on SBR even if it is just for 2 minutes. I'm going to be living it up and there are many things that come on the list before "post your picks on SBR". I barely will have time to put my own picks in.


                      Nonetheless, I will be posting picks for this week before I leave, and I promise they will be strong. I already posted a couple (check teaser), and will have more. A potential lock.


                      And besides, I will be back for the playoffs stronger and sharper than ever.
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                      • ssk13809
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                        #151
                        I got something on the Ravens too. But I'm not worried. Their the last part of my 10 point teaser. Ravens +7.

                        I must say, fun game.


                        This was the only real SAFE bet. Ravens haven't lost by 7+ all year. My teasers always have strong plays. No wonder they hit 70+% long-term (Avg. odds +100)
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                        • Full Time Hobo
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                          #152
                          Lock in Ravens.
                          Good work
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                          • ssk13809
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                            #153
                            Alrite, so despite everything going wrong, I break even for the week. All my records have been updated.


                            So the story for this week, once again, all my parlays failed. It seems like this is my downfall every week. I continue to hit well on straight MLs, I'm hitting about 70% ATS and 70% on Teasers (Avg. Odds of +115), but my parlays suck.


                            My teasers continue to be strong. I keep saying this and I will say it again, I feel like teasers are very easy to hit. There is no doubt in my mind I can't hit 70+% on Avg. Odds of +100 long-term. Every time I lose a teaser, it's some extreme situation that occurs that causes the loss, such as this week Rodger's injury. Unfortunate and unpredictable. Oh well, still made a good profit on teasers like every week thus far.

                            My ATS rate continues to be pretty high at around 70% for the season, and my LOCK rate is acceptable as well at 86%.



                            So with all this going well, how do I possibly not have a winning week every week? Parlays. Thanks to everything else, I was able to break even for the week. But parlays always take me down. Will have to think about that.
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                            • ssk13809
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                              #154
                              On to next week.

                              I already have 2 bets booked


                              Raiders -6.5

                              Risk 11 to Win 10


                              2 Team Teaser (6 points)
                              Chargers -2
                              Raiders -0.5

                              Risk 22 to Win 20





                              Will talk to my LOCK team to see if the Raiders are a lock or not tomorrow. And might have more ATS plays coming in. Will for sure have more Teasers. And yes I hit 70+% on both long-term.
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                              • ssk13809
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                                #155
                                Also, I was thinking of buying a Ferrari next year


                                My money management team has helped make a Ferrari Plan



                                I was thinking about buying a nice Ferrari. My Money Management team has estimated costs of 200k for a nice enough Ferrari. They say I will need to make a 10% down payment, and I have easily enough for that. But still will have to pay around 5k per month for it. And then add insurance and maintenance, it will probably be around 8k/month estimated from my MM team.


                                So the question really is, can I legitimately own a Ferrari with 50k? I can accumalate that much easily by next year (before the NFL season starts). I make a down payment of 20k, that leaves me with 30k. With

                                - A 70+% Teaser Rate (+100 odds)
                                - A 70+% ATS Rate, with locks hitting 90+%
                                - Some solid income from straight MLs
                                - Less to no Parlays lol

                                And

                                - Account in Matchbook (Betting Exchange)
                                - Multiple Accounts in Different Books (5 Dimes, Bookmaker, Greek, and BetJamaica)


                                So with 30k to bet, with those rates and money in multiple books, I should make a very big return on that 30k. Just look at here I have gone 120+% in 2 months, with all those losing parlays. 8k shouldn't be much, and after that 30k grows, it will be even easier.





                                So what do you guys think? Can SSK (and those who tail him) own a nice Ferrari with just 50k? And this is actually a serious question so please answer appropriately. There might be others wondering "If I tailed SSK can I own a Ferrari with 50k?"

                                Are there any potential problems with this Ferrari Plan? If so, what?
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                                • dugdogg
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                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by ssk13809
                                  Oh trust me, I will be way too busy to do anything. The recruitment process is quite intense, and besides when you are in another country, the last thing you want to do is post on SBR even if it is just for 2 minutes. I'm going to be living it up and there are many things that come on the list before "post your picks on SBR". I barely will have time to put my own picks in.


                                  Nonetheless, I will be posting picks for this week before I leave, and I promise they will be strong. I already posted a couple (check teaser), and will have more. A potential lock.


                                  And besides, I will be back for the playoffs stronger and sharper than ever.
                                  are you getting locked up for 30 days or something??
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                                  • Full Time Hobo
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                                    #157
                                    At the rate youre going and capping you are very capable of owning a Ferrari.

                                    Be careful though. you may be getting a little ahead of yourself. Youre still new to the game.

                                    Good Luck
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                                    • ssk13809
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                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                                      At the rate youre going and capping you are very capable of owning a Ferrari.

                                      Be careful though. you may be getting a little ahead of yourself. Youre still new to the game.

                                      Good Luck
                                      Full Time Hobo you probably have the most knowledge on this topic.

                                      Do you think that plan will work? There are some key questions


                                      1. Will those 70+% rates continue to hit?

                                      2. Will those books actually not only pay me, but on time to make my monthly payments

                                      3. Is 50k a good starting amount? Or should I accumulate more? It will leave me with about 30k to bet with. But that should grow. Granted I will have to withdraw every month, but not everything, only the money I need. In other words, 1st month I will need 25% gain on that 30k to get about 8k, and the rest I can keep to let grow. 25% is not very much. I think I passed that mark in 2 weeks. And is even the estimation of 8k/month a good one?


                                      I think #2 is the one I can see becoming the most problematic. What do you think? It won't matter if I keep winning if I don't get paid. And not just paid, but in a timely fashion.
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                                      • Full Time Hobo
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                                        #159
                                        If i remember correctly this was the topic where i first met you

                                        Betting exchanges are the best option for you. Look into Matchbook. It is definitely a MUST.
                                        Spread your money out across a few books. don't let your amounts build up to high if you're winning and withdraw often.

                                        Youre already at Bookmaker. Get into 5Dimes or BetJamaica. But definitely get into Matchbook. The lines there are crazy good and incredible value. Dont worry about being paid by Matchbook because you are not betting against the book you are betting against other betters. Look into it you will love it with your Math skills. You will learn to shop lines and scalp with multiple books for guaranteed profit.

                                        Youre very focused on making money week by week but it is unfortunately inevitable that you will go cold every once and a while. This week for instance may be a cold week for you... but it could be worse.

                                        Any A rated book on this site you are guaranteed your money. Some problems may occur with getting paid on time but its all relative and is why you should research the books you will invest in.
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                                        • ssk13809
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                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                                          If i remember correctly this was the topic where i first met you

                                          Betting exchanges are the best option for you. Look into Matchbook. It is definitely a MUST.
                                          Spread your money out across a few books. don't let your amounts build up to high if you're winning and withdraw often.

                                          Youre already at Bookmaker. Get into 5Dimes or BetJamaica. But definitely get into Matchbook. The lines there are crazy good and incredible value. Dont worry about being paid by Matchbook because you are not betting against the book you are betting against other betters. Look into it you will love it with your Math skills. You will learn to shop lines and scalp with multiple books for guaranteed profit.

                                          Youre very focused on making money week by week but it is unfortunately inevitable that you will go cold every once and a while. This week for instance may be a cold week for you... but it could be worse.

                                          Any A rated book on this site you are guaranteed your money. Some problems may occur with getting paid on time but its all relative and is why you should research the books you will invest in.
                                          Matchbook does sound great. But it has to have some drawbacks with all these positives doesn't it?

                                          The main one I found was there is not much flexibility at all. From buying points, to even doing teasers, which as you know are a big part of my profit plan. I mean, Matchbook does sound optimal for straight plays, which are also very important, but for everything else it isn't as good. Nonetheless, the other books can take care of that.

                                          With monthly withdraws, I don't think the amount will be built too high anywhere. Greek I know has the best liquidity, in terms of getting your money and on time. That is what their known for. The others, I'm not so sure.


                                          Even if I stick to only selective Straight ATS plays, with LOCKs, and some strong teasers, yes going cold is inevitable in a given week. I mean, it's hard to imagine going cold playing my strengths (ATS/LOCKs/Teasers/MLs) only, but it can happen I suppose.






                                          I guess living a lifestyle like that, using sports betting to pay off your Ferrari, could be pretty intense every week. I mean just imagine it, you have a great week, "Oh don't have to worry about the Ferrari for the rest of the month here is the 8k", but if you have a bad week, as unlikely as it could be, it could be a long month. I wonder if anyone has tried to own a Ferrari for 50k and use Sports Betting as the main way to pay it off.
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                                          • Full Time Hobo
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                                            #161
                                            Matchbook is great for straight bets... as its all you can do with it.
                                            Great value.
                                            Use other books for other bets you make like parlays, teasers, etc.

                                            Its tough. not many make a living off of gambling... which in order to afford a ferrari is essentially what you need to do... pull off enough money to pay it off..
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                                            • ssk13809
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                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                                              Matchbook is great for straight bets... as its all you can do with it.
                                              Great value.
                                              Use other books for other bets you make like parlays, teasers, etc.

                                              Its tough. not many make a living off of gambling... which in order to afford a ferrari is essentially what you need to do... pull off enough money to pay it off..
                                              True, 8k/month is nearly 100k a year. Man it's tough to maintain a Ferrari.


                                              Honest answer now. GIVEN I have 50k by next year, would you honestly recommend I try something like this. And if not, why?

                                              a) You have to prove yourself further. Prove you can hit as well as you do for another 3-4 years (Sample Size ~200-500) before trying something like this.

                                              b) It will have too much hassle with the books. Getting paid how much you are owed on time will just be too big of a hassle.

                                              c) I wouldn't "recommend" it because it's just too stressful. Too much on the line every month.

                                              d)
                                              Something else

                                              e) a and/or b and/or c and/or d




                                              Honestly FTH, given 50k, would you honestly trust this "Ferrari Plan"?
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                                              • Full Time Hobo
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                                                #163
                                                A and D

                                                You need to prove to yourself that you can manage a large sample size before you engage in a project like this.

                                                Look across this forum. Plenty of threads where guys are doing a project where they are going from like 10k to 1 mill in such and such time period. It is very hard to profit so much unless you are on a crazy hot streak. even then you need to assume it wont last long and you may end of burning in the end. Gambling is meant to be a marathon not a sprint.

                                                Essentially you would need to be much further ahead of your payment plan.
                                                Sure you need 8k a month or whatever but you would basically need it a month before to ensure that you have it.
                                                By that point you would basically be starting every month negative, if you didnt make the full amount, even, or even positive.

                                                In the end, I would trust the plan if I had previous results that proved i could do it.

                                                Lets put it this way... your money management team you got going would need a crazy new plan of attack for a project like this.
                                                50k could be enough it could not be... thats where you need to prove yourself with a large sample size and see how you do week to week / month to month / etc
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                                                • ssk13809
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                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                                                  A and D

                                                  You need to prove to yourself that you can manage a large sample size before you engage in a project like this.

                                                  Look across this forum. Plenty of threads where guys are doing a project where they are going from like 10k to 1 mill in such and such time period. It is very hard to profit so much unless you are on a crazy hot streak. even then you need to assume it wont last long and you may end of burning in the end. Gambling is meant to be a marathon not a sprint.

                                                  Essentially you would need to be much further ahead of your payment plan.
                                                  Sure you need 8k a month or whatever but you would basically need it a month before to ensure that you have it.
                                                  By that point you would basically be starting every month negative, if you didnt make the full amount, even, or even positive.

                                                  In the end, I would trust the plan if I had previous results that proved i could do it.

                                                  Lets put it this way... your money management team you got going would need a crazy new plan of attack for a project like this.
                                                  50k could be enough it could not be... thats where you need to prove yourself with a large sample size and see how you do week to week / month to month / etc
                                                  Hmm interesting insight.

                                                  You're right that I might need 8k from the month before to make ensure I will have it for the next month.
                                                  However, other thing that we aren't factoring in, is that will not be my only source of income. The months where I am not able to accumulate 8k, there still will be another source of income that can be used in the rare occasions where I go negative for a month.

                                                  But once again, I am very confident I can pull off what I'm doing at the pace I'm doing it at. I've suffered some bad beats lately (I never get a good beat for some reason), but still have managed to lose practically nothing somehow.

                                                  And once you cut down these parlays that always lose, the future looks very bright.








                                                  At the end of the day, who wouldn't want a nice Ferrari for 50k.
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                                                  • ssk13809
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                                                    #165
                                                    The other thing is NFL is not on all year



                                                    But thankfully I'm pretty strong at the NBA too.
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                                                    • ssk13809
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                                                      #166
                                                      My weekly 10 point teaser winner


                                                      3 Team 10 Point Teaser
                                                      Texans +11.5
                                                      Browns +12
                                                      Ravens +9

                                                      Risk 12 to Win 10


                                                      I also like Browns ML as well. Colt Mccoy should be back.

                                                      Browns +110 ML

                                                      Risk 5.5 to Win 5
                                                      Last edited by ssk13809; 12-14-10, 04:23 PM.
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                                                      • bobbyk1133
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                                                        #167
                                                        I thought you were taking the Orient Express to Asia to recruit a new team of ninja statisticians?
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                                                        • ssk13809
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                                                          #168
                                                          So I talked to my LOCK team, no locks this week. All I have is the Raiders as an ATS pick. Apparently they didn't like it enough for it to be a LOCK.
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                                                          • ssk13809
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                                                            #169
                                                            Some more teasers though (I hit 70% on Teasers Long-Term Avg. Odds of +100)

                                                            2 Team Teaser (6.5 points)
                                                            Saints +7.5
                                                            Jets +12

                                                            Risk 24 to Win 20


                                                            2 Team ML Parlay
                                                            Colts -235
                                                            Buccaneers -260

                                                            Risk 10.3 to Win 10


                                                            7 Team Teaser (9 points)
                                                            Chargers pk
                                                            Colts +4
                                                            Texans +10.5
                                                            Browns +11
                                                            Eagles +12
                                                            Saints +10
                                                            Jets +14.5

                                                            Risk 4.3 to Win 10

                                                            And let me split that one in 2 just in case 1 play loses by a miracle. Instead of losing 15 on 1, I will lose 5 overall.


                                                            3 Team Teaser (8 points)
                                                            Chargers -1
                                                            Colts +3
                                                            Browns +10

                                                            Risk 10.5 to Win 10


                                                            4 Team Teaser (9 points)
                                                            Eagles +12
                                                            Saints +10
                                                            Jets +14.5
                                                            Texans +10.5

                                                            Risk 10 to Win 10




                                                            So only 1 parlay, I think that will work towards my favor. I like my last teaser too. Don't see any of those losing.
                                                            Last edited by ssk13809; 12-15-10, 12:25 AM.
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                                                            • ssk13809
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                                                              #170
                                                              So this is my total action for the weekend


                                                              Week 15 Play Card


                                                              Raiders -6.5

                                                              Risk 11 to Win 10

                                                              2 Team Teaser (6 points)
                                                              Chargers -2
                                                              Raiders -0.5

                                                              Risk 22 to Win 20

                                                              3 Team 10 Point Teaser
                                                              Texans +11.5
                                                              Browns +12
                                                              Ravens +9

                                                              Risk 12 to Win 10

                                                              Browns +110 ML
                                                              Risk 5.5 to Win 5

                                                              2 Team Teaser (6.5 points)
                                                              Saints +7.5
                                                              Jets +12

                                                              Risk 24 to Win 20

                                                              2 Team ML Parlay
                                                              Colts -235
                                                              Buccaneers -260

                                                              Risk 10.3 to Win 10

                                                              7 Team Teaser (9 points)
                                                              Chargers pk
                                                              Colts +4
                                                              Texans +10.5
                                                              Browns +11
                                                              Eagles +12
                                                              Saints +10
                                                              Jets +14.5

                                                              Risk 4.3 to Win 10

                                                              3 Team Teaser (8 points)
                                                              Chargers -1
                                                              Colts +3
                                                              Browns +10

                                                              Risk 10.5 to Win 10

                                                              4 Team Teaser (9 points)
                                                              Eagles +12
                                                              Saints +10
                                                              Jets +14.5
                                                              Texans +10.5

                                                              Risk 10 to Win 10
                                                              Last edited by ssk13809; 12-15-10, 02:18 AM.
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                                                              • ssk13809
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                                                                #171
                                                                Yeah a lot of teasers this week, and have minimized the parlays.

                                                                But I hit 70% (Avg. Odds of +100) on teasers long-term, might as well put my skills to the test. All those teasers should cover.



                                                                If anyone has any questions on any of my picks, or comments, let me know.
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                                                                • dwang0725
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                                                                  #172
                                                                  ATS is where real cappers make their money. Stick to the basics!
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                                                                  • ssk13809
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                                                                    #173
                                                                    Originally posted by dwang0725
                                                                    ATS is where real cappers make their money. Stick to the basics!
                                                                    I can hit 70% long-term on teasers avg. odds of +100. You want me to stop playing teasers?
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                                                                    • bobbyk1133
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                                                                      #174
                                                                      How do you know you hit 70% long-term on teasers if you only started playing them a few weeks ago?
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                                                                      • ssk13809
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                                                                        #175
                                                                        Originally posted by bobbyk1133
                                                                        How do you know you hit 70% long-term on teasers if you only started playing them a few weeks ago?
                                                                        Projections


                                                                        Besides they just naturally feel so easy to me. They fit my style.
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