Sonny,Bean,Buck and Ayo's Hoops thread

[sonnybaby]

Boston College +5.5 5x

[sonnybaby]

NC State +3 5x

[upscope]

YTD: Through 11/29 (NCAA BB Only)
*Top line = Overall
*Bottom line = Current week


Sonny:
56-56-4 = +29.3x
11-4-0 = +38.0x

Buck:
*45-32-0 = +23.8x
6-1-0 = +24.5x

Ayo:
49-39-1 = +12.78x
3-5-0 = -4.3x

Bean:
34-26-2 = +8.55x
3-5-0 = -2.5x

-Any discrepancies report to your local authorities

[rb3b3]

sonny im getting killed on every line on every game your playing...idaho -4,Notre dame same, furman 4.5, fsu same, bc 4.5, and nc state +1 suggestions? fk it im going to gamble and wait to put these in even though im sure ill lose value

[WIZARDOFBEANTOWN]

games of interest tonight

pitt vs duquesne (+6 or +5.5)
uab (-2.5) vs south alabama o/u 127
virginia tech (+2.5) vs Minny o/u 133.5
wisc (+8) vs UNC o/u 134
creighton (+2.5) vs sdst o/u 138.5
UNLV (-2.5) vs cal santa barba o/u 142
USC(-4) vs Cal riverside
indiana ml -135 vs NC st o/u 150
tulsa +5 vs Oak st . o/u 129
penn st -4.5 vs B.C. o/u 123
south fla +5 vs vacomm o/u 123
colorado vs colorado st o/u 144.5 over leaning

[snoopaloop31]

sonny im getting killed on every line on every game your playing...idaho -4,Notre dame same, furman 4.5, fsu same, bc 4.5, and nc state +1 suggestions?

What book? Open up accounts elsewere is your best bet. I dont have the funds to, so i just deal with the shit lines sportsbook.com gives.

[UK_gixxer]

sonny im getting killed on every line on every game your playing...idaho -4,Notre dame same, furman 4.5, fsu same, bc 4.5, and nc state +1 suggestions?

Same here man, Sonny must have
A.) A really good book
B.) He's tracking steam movements and placing the right bets at the right time
C.) He's just the focking man and the gambling God's are like here's another present for being so awesome and helping so many people out of their own shitty capping haha

I bought a couple of them to Sonny's posted lines @ -130, I hate the juice...but after last night I decided to stop trying to do my own thing and follow people who know what's up AS CLOSESLY as possible.

I couldnt get NC State @ even +3 because to buy the points for me it was like -155 so I figure I'll wait and see if the line moves.

[rb3b3]

What book? Open up accounts elsewere is your best bet. I dont have the funds to, so i just deal with the shit lines sportsbook.com gives.

i deal with a local who has a website to make plays on, i used to use all the online sites and they were all a pain in the butt.. if i was up money to get it out was a pain, my local is perfect, i play on credit and at the end of the week if im up he pays if i lose i pay. but to be extra extra sharp i know you should use like 5 different sites.

[RustedVegas]

Or he's shaving to help his Forum record in the long run.

[UK_gixxer]

Or he's shaving to help his Forum record in the long run.

seriously dude? These guy's don't have to post their plays in here. They can keep them for themselves and sit back and rake in the money without sharing the wealth.

There are lot's of guys that appreciate what Sonny, Buck, Ayo, Bean, and all the other good cappers are on here doing for us.

Don't come in to their thread and hate on them just because they are killin it....I mean honestly, what do you think these guys care about more, that some douche bags like you on forums think they are awesome at handicapping, or making money?

At the end of the day, they are providing a service...a service that even terrible handicappers charges hundreds of dollars for.

So my point is, just show some respect before you piss someone off into stop posting and ruin the money making for all of us, ok?

[upscope]

Or he's shaving to help his Forum record in the long run.

There have been plenty of times where these guys have made plays where their # is actually worse than what most every other book has so I don't buy this.

Personally I think Sonny makes alot of his plays based on comparing his lines to sharper lines like Pinny for ex. When his book has -3 but Pinny has -4 Sonny takes the team -3. The reason it's a play for him isn't because he likes the team or spot. He's just trusting the sharper lines that other books have & taking the value that his line is offering. Sonny is likely using a square local book that is slow to move their lines consistent w/ the market. Most of us are stuck using sharper books that adjust their lines quicker & are generally more sharp.

Not always, but in alot of cases I think this is what's going on??

[sonnybaby]

sonny im getting killed on every line on every game your playing...idaho -4,Notre dame same, furman 4.5, fsu same, bc 4.5, and nc state +1 suggestions? fk it im going to gamble and wait to put these in even though im sure ill lose value

i got a local thats the $hit just buy the extra pt and u should be goodie

[sonnybaby]

seriously dude? These guy's don't have to post their plays in here. They can keep them for themselves and sit back and rake in the money without sharing the wealth. There are lot's of guys that appreciate what Sonny, Buck, Ayo, Bean, and all the other good cappers are on here doing for us. Don't come in to their thread and hate on them just because they are killin it....I mean honestly, what do you think these guys care about more, that some douche bags like you on forums think they are awesome at handicapping, or making money? At the end of the day, they are providing a service...a service that even terrible handicappers charges hundreds of dollars for. So my point is, just show some respect before you piss someone off into stop posting and ruin the money making for all of us, ok?

[sonnybaby]

There have been plenty of times where these guys have made plays where their # is actually worse than what most every other book has so I don't buy this.

Personally I think Sonny makes alot of his plays based on comparing his lines to sharper lines like Pinny for ex. When his book has -3 but Pinny has -4 Sonny takes the team -3. The reason it's a play for him isn't because he likes the team or spot. He's just trusting the sharper lines that other books have & taking the value that his line is offering. Sonny is likely using a square local book that is slow to move their lines consistent w/ the market. Most of us are stuck using sharper books that adjust their lines quicker & are generally more sharp.

Not always, but in alot of cases I think this is what's going on??

dead on my slime

[Capybara]

Seems like the whole forum killed it last night... Filmoz, Sonny, Buck... Stars must really have been aligned, cuz I was even hitting my OWN plays!

Great job, Guys, keep it up tonight!

[WIZARDOFBEANTOWN]

[quote=upscope;12572531] YTD: Through 11/29 (NCAA BB Only) *Top line = Overall *Bottom line = Current week Sonny: 56-56-4 = +29.3x 11-4-0 = +38.0x Buck: *45-32-0 = +23.8x 6-1-0 = +24.5x Ayo: 49-39-1 = +12.78x 3-5-0 = -4.3x
Bean: 34-26-2 = +8.5 3-5-0 = -2.5x -Any discrepancies report to your local authorities [/quote







Great job fellas let's keep this good karma train rolling! thanks for that support peeps!

[SpreadSniper]

Not only steam plays here fellas.... guys lay a weaker number with pretty good success from what I've been seeing... Fla St. played @ +5.5, line is now @ +7.5. Basic knowledge of line movement tells us that when the volume is close to split yet the line DOES move one way or the other, typically the team that is "steaming" is the play, especially if you can get it @ the original number.

Now Sonny, Buck, Bean and Ayo come along and blow that fukking theory out of the water.

[dugdogg]

steam during the day is usually referring to the public...and the public is very often wrong...hence the number of towers in vegas! fading steam before tipoff is a popular strategy...

yesterday clemson went from pk to +2 all day...look how they smashed iowa...IN iowa

[SpreadSniper]

steam during the day is usually referring to the public...and the public is very often wrong...hence the number of towers in vegas! fading steam before tipoff is a popular strategy...

yesterday clemson went from pk to +2 all day...look how they smashed iowa...IN iowa

Indeed.... I've noticed that the bulk of the sharp money tends to come in only as tip is approaching, not so much as when the line is first released.

[Dexter]

games of interest tonight

pitt vs duquesne (+6 or +5.5)
uab (-2.5) vs south alabama o/u 127
virginia tech (+2.5) vs Minny o/u 133.5
wisc (+8) vs UNC o/u 134
creighton (+2.5) vs sdst o/u 138.5
UNLV (-2.5) vs cal santa barba o/u 142
USC(-4) vs Cal riverside
indiana ml -135 vs NC st o/u 150
tulsa +5 vs Oak st . o/u 129
penn st -4.5 vs B.C. o/u 123
south fla +5 vs vacomm o/u 123
colorado vs colorado st o/u 144.5 over leaning

wiz - whats up buddy....

[dugdogg]

Indeed.... I've noticed that the bulk of the sharp money tends to come in only as tip is approaching, not so much as when the line is first released.

can you explain to us how you monitor this and how you know money coming in on early lines is sharp money or not??

[cody4548]

N.C. State has went from 3 to PK, still a play? Better jump on before they're -3

[rb3b3]

yooooooo sonny, its got to be a great feeling to be winning everyone money!!! god i wish i knew what the **** i was doing so i can win people money!

[sonnybaby]

yooooooo sonny, its got to be a great feeling to be winning everyone money!!! god i wish i knew what the **** i was doing so i can win people money!

we been doing this for a while this is nothing new hoops football baseball its all good

[thebigd1]

What up fam

[YOUNGBUCK]

Indeed.... I've noticed that the bulk of the sharp money tends to come in only as tip is approaching, not so much as when the line is first released.

I disagree alot of my plays are based off early movement.... Movement during the day doesnt bother me much as was the case of me being on the wrong side of movement on Clemson and NW and both were pretty easy wins but right when Clemson opened as pk it moved to -1 then went other way to + Clemson just an example

[UK_gixxer]

we been doing this for a while this is nothing new hoops football baseball its all good

Hey sonny, do you know what you ended the season with in NCAAB in units? I don't think I saw it, you may not have even tracked it. Just wondering.

[rb3b3]

we been doing this for a while this is nothing new hoops football baseball its all good

i know, but winning money is a whole new world to me lol... thanks again!! what sport you the best at?

[thebigd1]

I disagree alot of my plays are based off early movement.... Movement during the day doesnt bother me much as was the case of me being on the wrong side of movement on Clemson and NW and both were pretty easy wins but right when Clemson opened as pk it moved to -1 then went other way to + Clemson just an example

So wouldnt one expect to take Iowa in that case BUCK? I took Clemson SU but if the line opens -(pts) and goes down +(pts) wouldnt that be in Iowa's favor?

[YOUNGBUCK]

So wouldnt one expect to take Iowa in that case BUCK? I took Clemson SU but if the line opens -(pts) and goes down +(pts) wouldnt that be in Iowa's favor?

It opened at pk and went to Clemson -1 fast then Clemson +

[dugdogg]

So wouldnt one expect to take Iowa in that case BUCK? I took Clemson SU but if the line opens -(pts) and goes down +(pts) wouldnt that be in Iowa's favor?

yes that is buck's point...the line movement during the game doesn't mean anything...the public is betting iowa...and they were dead wrong

[thebigd1]

It opened at pk and went to Clemson -1 fast then Clemson +

Oh didn't see "pk" at first. Makes sense now good looks. Nice catch on the early movement.

yes that is buck's point...the line movement during the game doesn't mean anything...the public is betting iowa...and they were dead wrong

Thanks I got it, he was referring to movement during the day before start off not during live-play.

[SpreadSniper]

can you explain to us how you monitor this and how you know money coming in on early lines is sharp money or not??

How do any of us monitor this? By looking at line history....

POINT SPREADS
TIMEFSUMCHST11/30 11:34 AM+7½ -109-7½ -10111/30 11:34 AM+7½ -111-7½ +10111/30 11:33 AM+7½ -105-7½ -10511/30 11:32 AM+7 -102-7 -10811/30 11:32 AM+7½ -115-7½ +10411/30 11:32 AM+7½ -108-7½ -10211/30 11:31 AM+7½ -111-7½ +10111/30 11:15 AM+7½ -105-7½ -10511/30 11:14 AM+6½ +109-6½ -12011/30 11:13 AM+6½ +101-6½ -11111/30 11:12 AM+6½ -107-6½ -10311/30 11:12 AM+6½ -109-6½ -10111/30 11:11 AM+6½ -103-6½ -10711/30 11:11 AM+6 +106-6 -11711/30 11:11 AM+6 +100-6 -11011/30 11:10 AM+6 -102-6 -10811/30 11:10 AM+6 -105-6 -10511/30 11:10 AM+5½ +102-5½ -11311/30 09:11 AM+5½ -104-5½ -10611/30 07:15 AM+5½ -101-5½ -10911/29 11:38 PM+5½ +105-5½ -11611/29 11:28 PM+5½ -101-5½ -10911/29 09:26 PM+5½ -105-5½ -105

[dugdogg]

How do any of us monitor this? By looking at line history....

POINT SPREADS
TIMEFSUMCHST11/30 11:34 AM+7½ -109-7½ -10111/30 11:34 AM+7½ -111-7½ +10111/30 11:33 AM+7½ -105-7½ -10511/30 11:32 AM+7 -102-7 -10811/30 11:32 AM+7½ -115-7½ +10411/30 11:32 AM+7½ -108-7½ -10211/30 11:31 AM+7½ -111-7½ +10111/30 11:15 AM+7½ -105-7½ -10511/30 11:14 AM+6½ +109-6½ -12011/30 11:13 AM+6½ +101-6½ -11111/30 11:12 AM+6½ -107-6½ -10311/30 11:12 AM+6½ -109-6½ -10111/30 11:11 AM+6½ -103-6½ -10711/30 11:11 AM+6 +106-6 -11711/30 11:11 AM+6 +100-6 -11011/30 11:10 AM+6 -102-6 -10811/30 11:10 AM+6 -105-6 -10511/30 11:10 AM+5½ +102-5½ -11311/30 09:11 AM+5½ -104-5½ -10611/30 07:15 AM+5½ -101-5½ -10911/29 11:38 PM+5½ +105-5½ -11611/29 11:28 PM+5½ -101-5½ -10911/29 09:26 PM+5½ -105-5½ -105

you were talking about sharp money only coming in near tipoff. can you explain to me (who's not in the know)...how you know a line moving is sharp money and not public money?

[thebigd1]

i figured sharp money was when one team has higher % of public on them, but line moves in favor of the opposite team, correct me if i'm wrong.