John Morrison 2011-12 NBA Thread

[1gamer]

We have Chase -110 of which, Wallco started the thread
We have JM V1, V2 and V3 Picks with 3 Points Bought
We have JM V1, V2 and V3 Picks with No 3 Point Bought
We have JM V1, V2, and V3 starting only with the (B) & (C) bets with or without 3 Points Bought...I still haven't figured this one out.

Anything else?

[knugen]

Exactly! Keep your system out of here

[knugen]

Thanks!

Indiana pushed with me too. I will be playing it as a loss and betting the C bet tomorrow. However I will most likely only bet the amount usually assigned to the B bet. Another great thing about the 5/7 method is, when your unit amount is set correctly (recommended 1% or below) you can take a great deal of losses. The way I'm playing it now, my base roll can take 11 losses without going bust, and that's without any bets winning. Just 11 series losses right from the get go. It is very unlikely such an event would ever happen.

Thx for your work limit

Can u start when u post the daily JM picks to make à little note with the 5/7 way to bet,? Just to make everything clear, and we can skip all this questions Every day??

[patocarranza84]

I also did a test of the 2010-11 season for this under 80 points system, I have to admit, it looked pretty good. But keep in mind, that is only 1 season. It went 96-2 for a net profit of +59.12 units. However, I applied the 1/3/5 and 5/7 methods to this system, and both of them did incredible, the 5/7 (+126 units) outperformed the 1/3/5 (+110 units). This is only playing to C bet, and not playing the (A) bets for the 5/7. You may be on to something with this 5/7, Mr. limit. I am going to continue testing 5/7 for other systems. The only problem I see is seasons which may have a large amount of (A) bet wins, especially if they are coupled with more losses, since they are more expensive. This is the one and only time I am mentioning this under 80 points system, I agree with Steve, a new thread is a wise move.

Thanks a lot. i will start a new thread and post it at this forum...
I prefered the Fade Cleveland because in the next 3 games they have a tougher schedule,
Im new at this any advice on what should i post when something similiar happens?

[Wallco99]

Thanks a lot. i will start a new thread and post it at this forum...
I prefered the Fade Cleveland because in the next 3 games they have a tougher schedule,
Im new at this any advice on what should i post when something similiar happens?

Open your thread and I will answer your question. No more responses from me about that system in here.

[patocarranza84]

I already started my thread is under the name Pato's system thanks a lot wallco for your help, i have been following your systems unanimous for long time see you guys!

[knugen]

good tha u started your own thread

[petters72]

We have Chase -110 of which, Wallco started the thread
We have JM V1, V2 and V3 Picks with 3 Points Bought
We have JM V1, V2 and V3 Picks with No 3 Point Bought
We have JM starting only with the (B) & (C) bets with or without 3 Points Bought...I still haven't figured this one out.

Anything else?

I really hope not. I follow two systems in here and need no more.
But it would be very interesting to se the different system go head to head at the end of the season. I will follow this thread and I look forward to see the results for future investment. (I probably wont tell that I do a different labby with the B and C bets, guess that is a system in itself???)

Anyway, I really enjoy reading the differents posts and I like the atmosphere...keep up the good work and thanks everybody and good luck

[adidas-b 88]

I have a question for the serious sports investors in this forum, how many of you make a living from this or even a side income? And, how long have you been doing it for? I can understand if people don't want to answer.

[stevex]

You need a huge bankroll to actually make a living out of this and really I would think you would want to live in Vegas. Who would want to have hundreds of thousands of dollars offshore?

[patocarranza84]

Open your thread and I will answer your question. No more responses from me about that system in here.

Wallco i have a question ...do you think only betting a C chase on my system will be better?...
I didnt get the 1-3-5 or 5-7 that its avoiding the D bet or starting the 1-3-5 in the B bet? thanks

[DustyDiamond]

Do any vegas sportbooks allow you to buy 3 points?

[juice050]

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[thelimit0310]

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I can include when to bet the 5/7 method in the play post, but really it is very simple. Whenever we have an official B bet, and you can check my play posts to be sure, just bet to win 5 units. If the series goes to a C bet, bet to win what you lost on B in addition to 7 units. If the C bet loses, that's it. That said, I can make note of when to play it the next time the opportunity comes around (the next official B bet).

And Wallco, thank you! My method would never have existed had you not created 1-3-5 a few weeks before, as it only came around from looking deeper into your method. Similar credit goes to Wilba for originally coming up with a B/C method as well. So again, thanks! I hope the 5/7 method proves itself with other systems as well!

[juice050]

I have a question for the serious sports investors in this forum, how many of you make a living from this or even a side income? And, how long have you been doing it for? I can understand if people don't want to answer.

im up only 20 grand so far. i dont think its that serious though. its a decent income i make yearly off these systems. wallcos system is nice money cant front.

[thelimit0310]

I have a question for the serious sports investors in this forum, how many of you make a living from this or even a side income? And, how long have you been doing it for? I can understand if people don't want to answer.

It takes time, roughly 2 years of playing both the winter sports and summer sports. Like stevex already said, to make a living off of it your best bet is to move to Vegas as well, as the sportsbooks are local and they don't really have wager limits. High rollers often make $5,000+ wagers, I've seen a wager receipt at $11,000 before, you have to as well to make a decent living. A side income is much more realistic however and there's living proof all over this forum as far as that goes. Just build up your funds one season at a time.

I am actually friends with a guy who lives up near Buffalo, NY. He goes to the Indian casinos they have over there and plays Blackjack, chasing his hands. Again this takes money to be of any worth. But he tries to win $1,000 a day, going every day. Sometimes he plays more hands than is comfortable, and sometimes he has to walk away, but he makes a nice living off of it.

[thelimit0310]

im up only 20 grand so far. i dont think its that serious though. its a decent income i make yearly off these systems. wallcos system is nice money cant front.

You can be up another 20,000 by seasons end if you play your cards right!

[juice050]

You can be up another 20,000 by seasons end if you play your cards right!

thanks bro im trying.

[juice050]

knicks are bout to blow it, i hope not

[thelimit0310]

The only problem I see is seasons which may have a large amount of (A) bet wins, especially if they are coupled with more losses, since they are more expensive.

While this could hurt potential profits I doubt it will ever cause a bad season. Now, if there's a system that consistently performs like that, you could simply apply the 5/7 method to different bet levels. I've been experimenting, but I've found you can apply 5/7 to any bets in a system you like as long as the bet to win 7 follows a losing bet to win 5 (ie you can't play A bets and D bets, it would have to be A/B or C/D). The key to the 5/7 is effectiveness of the levels they are assigned to. So you would have to find the 2 conjoined bet levels that win enough to cover the losses the most effectively. It doesn't matter whether that's A/B bets or the B/C bets or so on.

Chase -110 is a perfect example of this. During my experimenting of this method I slapped 5/7 onto the A and B bets of Chase -110s 2007-2008 season. I picked that season by random. The system as created won +30 units that season. However applying the 5/7 method and only playing the A and B bets the system won a net +182 units, even though there were 13 B bet losses that season! Of course this was fast math and there is probably some discrepancy especially because of the M/L rule however the margin of error is not big enough to invalidate the point - that the 5/7 method applied effectively will always beat a straight chase. In fact if I played Chase -110 in this manner I would just eliminate the M/L filter altogether (which could end up saving the 2008-09 season!). Applying the 5/7 to the A and B bets of JM could even lead to a higher unit gain than playing the B/C in some seasons. To reiterate - Though this is subject to change as more research is done, I have found the effectiveness of the bets that the 5/7 is applied to is the key.

[Maxi_EV]

We'll have a sick (D) bet...

[Wallco99]

We'll have a sick (D) bet...

That was a painful game to sit through

[GGPLAYER]

OT never treats me well.

[juice050]

dam my knicks smh

[Maxi_EV]

That was a painful game to sit through

Yeah...what a shitty night.

[Wallco99]

I ran the backtest for the 5/7 method for Chase 110 A & B bets, here are the results:

2010 - +107 units
2009 - +45 units
2008 - (-82 units)
2007 - +165 units
2006 - +173 units
2005 - +97 units
2004 - +23 units
2003 - +104 units

Total - +632 units

I then took it a step further. I believe you are on to something with this 5/7, but I think you may have it backwards. It seems the most profit can be generated by playing A & B bets, not at 5/7, but rather 7/5. Here are the results.

2010 - +125 units
2009 - +113 units
2008 - (-74 units)
2007 - +219 units
2006 - +223 units
2005 - +150 units
2004 - +81 units
2003 - +104 units ** This season the (A) bets were 48-48, it seems that when the (A) bets are at 50%, both methods will produce the same result.

Total - +941 units

This is quite a difference for only 2.45 extra units per loss. As you stated, the M/L victories are not taken into consideation, so a few more losses may have occurred. But the numbers are staggering, and should well make up for those unknown losses and allow us to play all games at -110 for Chase 110 system. I may soon be proposing the 7/5 method as the new way to play my system, after I check out a few more methods. There will be 10-20 losses this way, but the profits are enormous.

[Riceboi]

wallco or anyone else what site do you guys use to backtest?

[Wallco99]

wallco or anyone else what site do you guys use to backtest?

I use 7 different sites, but Covers.com is a good place to start.

[peeiempee]

Sorry may have missed it, but I tried looking. What is the 5/7 or 7/5?

[knugen]

Hhhmm , i guess knicks will be heavy favs against bobcats in their D bet! High juice on that ML bet

[Nino7]

Sorry may have missed it, but I tried looking. What is the 5/7 or 7/5?

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[Kev the Brit]

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[petters72]

So you mean you skip the c-bet, take the loss and just start over from the A-bet? And the numbers will be as you presented them??? It really look promising....
Do you incorporate the losses into next A-bet in some way?
Just to be clear that this is not JM, system, right? but your chase system...
Guess You could use the same strategy on JM systems, right? and get the same results....

[petters72]

I ran the backtest for the 5/7 method for Chase 110 A & B bets, here are the results:

2010 - +107 units
2009 - +45 units
2008 - (-82 units)
2007 - +165 units
2006 - +173 units
2005 - +97 units
2004 - +23 units
2003 - +104 units

Total - +632 units

I then took it a step further. I believe you are on to something with this 5/7, but I think you may have it backwards. It seems the most profit can be generated by playing A & B bets, not at 5/7, but rather 7/5. Here are the results.

2010 - +125 units
2009 - +113 units
2008 - (-74 units)
2007 - +219 units
2006 - +223 units
2005 - +150 units
2004 - +81 units
2003 - +104 units ** This season the (A) bets were 48-48, it seems that when the (A) bets are at 50%, both methods will produce the same result.

Total - +941 units

This is quite a difference for only 2.45 extra units per loss. As you stated, the M/L victories are not taken into consideation, so a few more losses may have occurred. But the numbers are staggering, and should well make up for those unknown losses and allow us to play all games at -110 for Chase 110 system. I may soon be proposing the 7/5 method as the new way to play my system, after I check out a few more methods. There will be 10-20 losses this way, but the profits are enormous.

So you mean you skip the c-bet, take the loss and just start over from the A-bet? And the numbers will be as you presented them??? It really look promising....
Do you incorporate the losses into next A-bet in some way?
Just to be clear that this is not JM, system, right? but your chase system...
Guess You could use the same strategy on JM systems, right? and get the same results....

[Nino7]

Yeah plz explain the betting strategy what 7/5 actually mean?