Would anyone be able to explain this sytem to me or link me a post where it has been explained. Im interested in in is profit making system and i would be extremly thankfull if anyone could help out for a minute.
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At +164 units for last season (playing to win 4/6 units), which is what I came up with on the backtest for your method, it was only 2 units different than my way (which was +162), the big difference is, if there happens to be more (A) bet wins, you will make less, because you are only adding 1 extra unit to your (B) and (C) plays than I am, which means your (B) and (C) total wins must be greater than your total (A) wins to be worth it. That usually isn't the case. Your losses actually cost 15.84 units.Last edited by Wallco99; 01-08-12, 05:35 PM.Comment -
Wallco, qualifying plays would be any and all official B bets. Meaning the A bet has to fail with 3 points bought as well to be considered. This was decided to prevent an extra loss or two, like Milwaukee and Houston, that could have been avoided though I'm not sure if we would be handing over units in the long run this way...
Thanks for the backtest as well! From what I can gather, just compensating for A is not enough to make a clear cut difference between methods. I would have to start higher. I believe 5/7 for B/C would be a great place to start in that case. It is still close to the traditional method in unit cost per series, yet with a greater yield than 4/6.Comment -
JM January 8
V1 ORLANDO -4 @ Sacramento (A) WIN
RESULTS PER VERSION
Version 1
A: 4-2
B: 0-2
C: 2-0
Version 2
A: 0-1
B: 1-0
C: 0-0
Version 3
A: 5-6
B: 5-1
C: 1-0
Totals
A: 9-9
B: 6-3
C: 3-0Comment -
so was there only obe play for today and that was an 'a' play which was orlando -4??Comment -
JM January 9
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Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 7-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +7.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 0
v1 Plays
(A) 6-1
(B) 1-0
(C) -
(D) -
V2 Plays
In production
Games for (1/9/12):
#8 Detroit (+14) @ Chicago (A) (8:05 pm EST)
#9 New Orleans (+13) @ Denver (A) (9:05 pm EST)
We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.Comment -
CHASE 11O
detroit a, new orleans a
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Who do u want to confirm it, the creator of the system confirmed it in the post before yours!Comment -
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Thank you in Advance for your Help and Support.
Wallco99,Kev the Brit,thelimit0310, or anyone That can point me in the right direction, I have read all 608 posts, I am very interested in the Chase 110 system... I just have 2 questions...
Question 1.- Is Wallco99 skipping the (A) Bet on his Chase 110 system and playing 3 units on (B) and 5 unit on (C) or is this just for the JM V-1 V-2 V-3 system?
Question 2. Can someone Please Post any Backtest Results for the Chase 110 system for previous years ie... 2008,2009,2010 Example= 70-2 (A)35w-15L (B)25w 6L (C) 3w 2L . Thanks again for your Support.. Respectfully Soldier4LifeComment -
no skipping the A bet is only for the JM system or any other 3 game chase system.
wallco's chase 110 is a 4 game chase you would need to skip the a + b there which wouldn't be a good ideaLast edited by COYLO; 01-09-12, 12:58 PM.Comment -
Wallco can provide more details but, suffice it for me to say, the chase 110 system is based on chasing 1 unit from the A bet to the D Bet. Stop when you win the unit plus the lost stakes. The 110 system only started last season, but I believe Wallco did some backtesting.Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-09-12, 01:04 PM.Comment -
There is a very detailed backtest is in last year's JM thread, with the exception of 2010-11 season, which went 85-0. I am NOT playing the 1/3/5 method in Chase 110, I am not skipping (A) bets in any system, and Chase 110 is a four game chase system. Hope this answered all your questions.Last edited by Wallco99; 01-09-12, 01:14 PM.Comment -
Thanks for the Support guys, after a ton of reading and research i finally found what I was looking for. For any other Newbies reading this thread, here is some supporting data for Wallco99's Chase 110 system that went 85-0 last year. Go to last years Thread called: John Morrison 2010 NBA, go to page 143, go to post # 5000 and you will find a very detailed backtest and rules for the Chase 110 system. Thanks again Wallco99 for all the hard work backtesting this system, must have taken quite along time and alot of patience. Your Friend Soldier4Life..Comment -
thelimit, any idea how many series in past years would have been saved by playing -110 on only the B and C bets that had lost with the 3 point buy in the A bet? Wallco has said that last year the result would only have been a few units difference, just wondering if this would be the case in all other previous years? I am thinking that after Wallco's numerous back tests showing the success of his 1-3-5 system, it is probably just bad luck that we have copped two C bet losses in a number of days.Comment -
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I can't guarantee how it would work out with the 1-3-5 system (though I say with pretty high degree of certainty it would be the same) but I provided a 5 year back test in last years thread showing how many series which would have been wins with the three points bought, turned into series losses when you didn't buy the points, and I can tell you for a fact that over 2005-2010 that if you bought the 3 points every series for anything better than -200 odds (which everyone can get) then you ended up considerably further up than if you had not bought the points.
In fact I'm pretty sure that there was even one season (2006?) in which buying the 3 points you made about +32 units @ 1 unit per series, and ended up at about -1.5 units over the season if you didn't buy any points and played to win one on every series.
5 years of better results was good enough for me to know that buying the points is the best method for me. However note that the comparison was done based on playing to win one unit every series both ways (I think) and that is maybe a bit of a skewed comparison as the series risks for buying/not buying are quite different when you are playing to win 1 unit each way. I think a better comparison would be playing to win 1 unit on the buying 3 points compared to playing to win 2 units on the NOT buying 3 points, as then the series risks would be about the same.
Feel free to look up the backtest in last years thread, I can't be bothered as it's a mammoth thread and I already know what I need to know to max out system performance. I know the answer was a little vague but I can assure you that it is correct, hope it helps somewhat, if not u can look up last years thread
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Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 8-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +8.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)
(1/9/12):
#8 Detroit (+14) (A) - Loss
#9 New Orleans (+14) (A) - Win
v1 Plays
(A) 7-2
(B) 1-0
(C) -
(D) -
V2 Plays
In production
Games for (1/10/12):
#8 Dallas @ Detroit (+6) (B) (7:35 pm EST)
We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.Last edited by Wallco99; 01-10-12, 06:33 PM.Comment -
I got Pistons +6,5 @ bet365Comment -
JM January 10
V2 SACRAMENTO +12.5 @ Philadelphia (A)
All official plays are posted with 3 points bought. ML will not be taken on favs greater than -3.
NOTE: There is an optional play on the schedule for Cleveland today for those who want more action this season. The optional plays take advantage of the long b2b road trips this season by playing another series during the same teams road trip. This is in no way related to the JM NBA system and is only in place this season due to the lockout. I will personally not be playing these plays, but they have been included on my posted schedule on Pg. 3 of this thread and will be up to you if you wish to play. Play at your own risk.Comment -
Wallco99, or Wilba, or thelimit0310 or Anyone that can please direct me to the best source.
Does anyone know of any Free websites that you can get updated Prior years League Trend Data (I am looking for League Trend Data for the Whole Season in MLB,NBA,NFL,NHL) I know Accuscore has this data but it cost a Monthly Fee. Covers only has current year League Trend Data,Covers does not have prior year LeagueTrend Data ,unless you research each Game Manually.... Game by Game by Game... I am Just looking for a easyier way to run Backtests on Prior League Trends, Thanks again for the Support. Soldier4Life
Here are a couple Examples of what I am looking for .... This is Data based on the whole Prior Years seasons .
NBA Home MoneyLine (ML) when it is -399 to -200 (Last Season) 217 wins 75 loss =74.3%
NHL 2010-2011 Total when picking the Unders (U) (Last Season) were 367 wins 303 loss = 55%Last edited by Soldier4Life; 01-10-12, 01:30 PM.Comment -
Hey Kev The Brit, is there a john morrison NHL sbrforum? How have you been doing from the NHL system?Comment -
Go here: http://forum.sbrforum.com/hockey-bet...hread-p22.html The JM NHL systems (V1 and V2) are recorded by ElCapitan as the "PL" lines for both Versions. The ML lines are his own system for comparison. I strongly suggest you read the first few pages before you ask any basic questions.
Its my 3rd season with the JM NHL. Version 1 is more reliable than V2 and easier to recover losses due to the fewer series failures. Although this season the V1 has got off to a bad start.Last edited by Kev the Brit; 01-10-12, 01:15 PM.Comment -
Games for (1/10/12):
#8 Dallas @ Detroit (+6) (B) (7:35 pm EST)
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These guys should be well rested after taking off the 4th quarter last night!
I thought we had it till that happened. Get it done tonight!
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Soldier4Life,
Try Killersports.com, but I don't think they have NHL.
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Wallco:
can you please go answer our question in your nhl gold thread.
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here is a link to the post if it helps. http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basket...-nba-p143.html
what's up mitchp!Comment
