Hes been so great for so long. jordan is an obvious but does kobe get 2nd best ever he might get another championship. if he closes this out is he the second greatest?
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not even in the top ten sonComment -
Kobe is definitely in the top 10 and probably second best Laker of all-time behind Kareem Abdul Jabbar. There is no dounbt skill-wise and athletically he is also just as good if not better than Jordan ever was. Magic Johnson is a close third.
If Kobe gets his 5th ring and most likely the NBA Finals MVP this year....I'd say he is top 6 or 7 of all-time history of the NBA. But then again he has at least 5 good years still left in him to do even more.
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2nd best laker , top 10 all time . probly number 6 or 7Comment -
The 2nd best player of all time wouldnt have a 38 win season and two low 40 win seasons IN HIS PRIME! Kobe wanted out of LA before Pau got there. Lets not forget this. He flat out couldnt get it done FOR YEARS!"This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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Top ten no doubt. He might be the only guy in the western conference that plays defense."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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kobe isn't even the best laker, magic is the best faker of all timeComment -
you're an idiot. I couldnt care less what he went in his first few years in the league with Doug Collins. Even Lebron has been given 7 years to get it done. Im talking once you became a championship team to go back to those kind of number is insane.
You can talk all you want about Scottie Pippen he was a great player. Lets look at the rest of them....Randy Brown, Ron Harper, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, Tony Kukoc, Steve Kerr, John Paxson, Craig Hodges, Brad Sellers.....Kobe couldnt have won 50 games with this team. MJ made EVERYONE better.
Now can u imagine after that first 3 peat all of a sudden MJ goes from that to 30 win and 2 40 win seasons? You honestly dont see the difference in MJs first 3 seasons and kobe having those seasons in his prime?"This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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First of all, Paxson Kukoc Harper and Rodman were all terrific talents on their own. If I remember correctly, the 1993-94 Bulls team win 55 games without Jordan.... so there goes your "talent-less" players argument. MJ clearly had great players around him all those years he won his 6 rings better than what Kobe had when Shaq left. Phil Jackson and his system of running offense and defense was more the reason why those players exceled....not Jordan. Without Phil's coaching system and those talented players surrounding him....Jordan's not getting six rings.
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Kobe has SHAQ! Do you know what MJ would have done without shaq. And seeing as how you are "nysportsguy" obviously you still have nightmares of mj and scottie stuffing charles smith 8 times in a row, or mj dumping 55 in the garden every time. Get over it.
Rodman was a beast, but its not like Shaq couldnt pull down those rebounds too. You act like Kobe had no one around him. He was too ****ing dumb to realize that he could have won a lot more rings with shaq.
Obviously being from Chicago im biased but its become clear to me over the last few years that everyone gets what michael did except people in California and new york."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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I have to question how much you know about basketball to even talk about Kobe and MJ in the same breath.......did you watch game 5 in boston? He wont pass the ball. Hes a total joke."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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Also Jordan came back like 50 games into the 1994-95 season and the Bulls were still 47-35. So yea he did have a 40 win season after his first 3-peat run.Comment -
You're an idiot. No one was saying Kobe is better than MJ. If you read my first post response you'd actually have a clue as to what is going on in the discussion of this thread instead of randomly shooting your mouth off. I know your type....you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.
Sorry, but I can't help the fact that your mother didn't hug you as a child.
PS - Kobe didn't pass the ball in game 5 cause his teammates were so fatigued and couldn't shoot for sh*t. You see how out of sync they were? He practically carried the squad (like legends are known to do) and kept them in the game till the 4th quarter. Seriously, after that statement you're gonna question my basketball knowledge? Haha...Comment -
MJ, Kareem, Bird, Magic and Wilt. Bill Russell, Big O right behind.Comment -
A. Why do you keep changing the color of your font like a 5th grade girl?You're an idiot. No one was saying Kobe is better than MJ. If you read my first post response you'd actually have a clue as to what is going on in the discussion of this thread instead of randomly shooting your mouth off. I know your type....you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Sorry, but I can't help the fact that your mother didn't hug you as a child. PS - Kobe didn't pass the ball in game 5 cause his teammates were so fatigued and couldn't shoot for sh*t. You see how out of sync they were? He practically carried the squad (like Legends are known to do) and kept them in the game till the 4th quarter. Seriously, after that statement you're gonna question my basketball knowledge? Haha...
B. Yes I question someone whos point was well MJ had a few 40 win seasons at the start. It was the end of the 80s with a shitty coach and no team. Once they built the team it was over from then on. Im saying it would be like instead of playing baseball michael had two seasons of 38 wins and 41 wins. It just could have never happened, not to mention the NBA was WAY tougher.
C. Kobe didnt pass to his teammates because he has them so wound up they can hardly breathe. How many times did one of them pass up a wide open 15 footer to try and get it back to him when he is double teamed. He doesnt trust them and they know it.
D. Hysterical line on the mother hugging me, clear indication you have nothing more to bring to this basketball discussion."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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You're argument is that Jordan took teams with crappy role players and supporting cast and them into champions while Kobe in HIS PRIME couldn't.....
I am telling you how those "crappy role players" Jordan has weren't so crappy as compared to what Kobe had to work with when Shaq left. I even showed you how that Jordan-less 1993-1994 Bulls team went 55-27 without him! How can they be so "talent-less" then and go 55-27?
Clearly Jordan always had terrific talent around him throughout his prime championship winning years.....while Kobe didn't for a period after his first 3-peat with Shaq. Once again you're too stupid to recognize this.
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I agree ,at least in my lifetime no one can deny his will to win ha rarely takes game off during the season and that has taking a toll on his bodyComment -
Who are u quoting when you say "crappy role players"? Never once said crappy role players. You showed me they went 55-27 without him? I live in chicago you stupid ****, I saw that whole season. Scottie was one blown call by Hugh Hollins to taking that team the distance. You act like Kobe just had nobody. If he wasnt such an idiot he would have shut his mouth and played with shaq. I just dont understand what you dont get about him wanting out of LA and wanting to come to chicago 3 years ago. Michael never wanted out. You can act like he had All Stars all around him but it was him that made them better. Kobe whines and complains and just isnt half the player michael was."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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duEven now without Kobe....this Laker team, as they are currently,will not ever be good enough to ever go 55-27. Kobe did all he could with the crap he was given....Jordan never had crap since his early years.
PS - Kobe wanted out of LA those years cause he didn't have any talent to work with. The management wasn't respecting his wishes....they finally did and now look at the results you peon! Jordan always had talent on his teams....who is to say he wouldn't have threatened to leave Chicago if Reinsdorf and Krauss didn't provide adequate talent around him during his prime years?
You just assume Kobe is arrogant and a ball hog cause that's how the media portrayed him. The truth is all superstars takes a sh*t load of shots for their teams cause guess what....they are the main talent! Jordan shot like crazy for the Bulls too....
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Kobe would have NEVER done with that team what Michael did. Especially since the NBA was 100 times better than him. Lets also not forget Kobe lost the east in 2008 which is the inferior conference according to most. Michael went into LA and beat Magic and the boys.
This laker team couldnt win 40 games without him because they are never callled on to do anything. Most of the time they just stand there and watch him. Michael made them good enough to win 50 games."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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I said Kobe lost the east in 2008 which is the inferior conference according to most
You took that as me saying the celtics are bad.....hahaha do u have downs syndrome? Kobe would have won 60? You might be the dumbest guy on here. Ask Kobe why he plays the defense he does. Ask him why? He said during these finals he learned it all from playing against michael. Maybe Michael had something to do with making a kid from central arkansas into the defender he is. Kobe isnt a teacher or a leader. Just another great player.
Cool line though with the sit down clown. Are you gonna go green font next little lady?"This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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"twice as better"
This guy is easily still in 7th grade"This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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Great players are always overrated IMO. You could put a lot of players in the position that Kobe has been put in, and they would turn out to be great as well.[B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.
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Last time I checked the Lakers didn't play a conference in the 2008 NBA finals you moron. Seriously debating is not your strong suit. Stick to collecting trash cans for $.05 a pop.
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