The One Thing I Dont Like About Kobe

[tealish]

By the way, Kobe is not the best perimeter defender in the league. He isn't even the best on his team, Artest is.

I won't enter the LeBron v. Kobe debate, but the above is an incorrect statement. Artest is a shell of his former defensive self. His foot speed is so slow this year and he gets blown by at the perimeter on a consistent basis. His strength on the defensive end are his quick hands in the passing lanes, and his strength in bodying up strong players in the post. But that's it. He's not stopping anyone on the perimeter anymore.

[williams22]

You want to discredit a guy who is putting up 30/7/8 (only done by Jordan and Oscar) but call Kobe god because he hit a few buzzer beaters against teams they shouldn't have come down to the wire against anyways? Ridiculous. By the way, the year Oscar put up 30/7/8 (his triple double year), his stats were incredibly inflated in comparison to today's game.

Lebron put up 30+ PPG and 10+ APG in February, amazingly good.

[williams22]

I won't enter the LeBron v. Kobe debate, but the above is an incorrect statement. Artest is a shell of his former defensive self. His foot speed is so slow this year and he gets blown by at the perimeter on a consistent basis. His strength on the defensive end are his quick hands in the passing lanes, and his strength in bodying up strong players in the post. But that's it. He's not stopping anyone on the perimeter anymore.

You haven't watched his resurgence these last few weeks. There is no one in the league better at blitzing a pick and roll than Ron.

[Goat Milk]

We've already established that Kobe is the best 1 on 1 (and perimeter) defender in the league. Multiple coaches have said this and if you ever watch Kobe play D when hes trying how low he gets, he's so quick on his feet when he's really going for the stop. I remember one time when Jason Terry (whose a solid 1 on 1 player) cleared it out against Kobe, and Kobe just abused him defensively, he wouldn't even let terry breath, he had no chance he couldn't even get passed the three point line.

[The_Kid]

These two guys are completely different players. I could get into a big argument about this stuff but it's pointless. Everybody has their own viewpoints/opinions and sometimes, they can't see past that so I'm just going to say that BOTH players have God-given talent/ability. They are physically and mentally different too. I say just appreciate both players for who they are and what they do. You don't have to like either of them. Just appreciate their abilities to play the game and what they have accomplished so far.

[jsmithj88]

ok Oscar Robinson averaged a tripple double how many times? Grant hill averaged like 22 10 boards and 7 dimes one season. And there has been several seasons where 28 ppg was the high scorer, I think Kobe at like 28.7 or something one season was the high. What about Tmac? Tmac averaged 26 8 and 5 one season, and 32, 6.5, 5.5 one season. How about D wade? He averaged 27 6 and 7 one season (i'm rounding up by a few decimal places). How about the fact that D wade is 5 inches shorter than Bron and he's averaged more blocks than Bron almost every season of their careers. And steals as well. Lebron is an overrated defender. D wade obviously deserved def 1st team last year over bron, he averaged more steals and blocks than Lebron, and I'm pretty sure he set the record for most blocks ever in a season by a guard. On sports center, someone makes a shot falling away over the backboard and they say that was "lebronesque." How was that "Lebronesque" when Kobe did it first, and then Lebron copied it? Man some people just need to hop off this guys nuts, if he can't win a championship with this squad, there's definitely something wrong (Cavs are by far the deepest team in the league, Shaq, Big Z, and Verajuo at C?), Jamison, Hickson, Powe. LOOK At THAT FRONT LINE!

haha, are u serious dude? cavs do not have the best front line in the nba, that would be the lakers.
if u tried to trade the cavs front line for gasol, bynum and odom, lakers would say no

i dunno why u are comparing lebron and wade's defense. if wade has more blocks and steals as a GUARD than lebron, who is a SF, he shud be replacing another GUARD on the team like ............. KOBE.

im glad u see my point, it aint easy to score and rebound and assist. u named a couple people who similar stats once or twice in their careers. lebron averages it for this entire career. oscar and magic are prolly the only ones other than lebron to have those types of stats for their careers.

[Goat Milk]

Na- jordan averaged 37 8 and 8. lebron will never do that. no one will ever do that again in this league. and I'm talking about depth. Lakers have a better front line- Gasol, Bynum, Odom. But who else do they have? Mbenga, Powell?

Shaq, Big Z, Varejeou, who have all started in their careers, Hickson, who is starting now, Jamison, who's one of the best PFs in the league, and Powe, who has a championship ring and was a huge part in Celtic success. Are you serious? Powell and Mbenga blow.

[lakerboy]

I won't enter the LeBron v. Kobe debate, but the above is an incorrect statement. Artest is a shell of his former defensive self. His foot speed is so slow this year and he gets blown by at the perimeter on a consistent basis. His strength on the defensive end are his quick hands in the passing lanes, and his strength in bodying up strong players in the post. But that's it. He's not stopping anyone on the perimeter anymore.

Ron was brought in for MElo and LEbron- nothing else.

[tealish]

Ron was brought in for MElo and LEbron- nothing else.

True, but that doesn't make him an elite perimeter defender.

[lakerboy]

True, but that doesn't make him an elite perimeter defender.

I never said he was elite still but he will get the job done when it counts and has picked it up lately like williams was saying. Who is an elite perimeter defender in your mind on a contending team?

[tealish]

My only point is that Artest the defender, is overrated. You may not believe Artest is among the elite defenders in the L, but many many people do.

[Goat Milk]

Bro, Kobe is the best perimeter defender in the league, there's no question about it. Artest is an elite defender, has gotten better, former defensive player of the year. No guard in the nba has had more all defensive first teams than Kobe. He's the best 1 on 1 defender.

When it counts, in final seconds or minutes of a game, artest won't be guarding Lebron or Wade or Vince Carter, it will be Kobe on these guys in the late stages of a playoff game, but in the meantime, we need Kobe to conserve his energy and roam around defensively.

[kobefanatic]

I don't like Jordan as a person either. I actually lost a ton of respect for him after the hall of fame speech. I thought it was incredibly bitter and uncalled for. Jordan did a much better job of hiding just how cruel of a person he was than Kobe does.

This adds to why I like Lebron. I like that he can be a superstar yet still be humble enough to talk to reporters and fans with respect and a smile. Some people don't think that matters anymore. He's the most charismatic star any sport has seen since Magic. Coach K called him the most charismatic person he's ever met and the greatest leader he's ever coached.

kobe didn't do anything to show his cruelty to other when did that really happen?
lebron isn't humble at all look at how he walked out during that loss against Orlando in the playoffs last year, and is dancing after a blowout win makes a person really humble? laughing when your team is leading and walking out when your team loses

[kobefanatic]

kobe is a great defender only when he wants to do it, he has the fundamentals on playing good defense, bottling his man up which doesn't show in the boxscore, unlike lebron and wade which usually gambles to steal and block shots. kobe only defends during crucial stretch, i think at kobe's age he isn't stupid enough to defend 48 minutes