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  • Z_Wipf
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    #36
    Winner! BY TECHNICAL KNOCK OUT! Williams22! He just ran everything you said into the ground Goat.
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      #37
      Originally posted by Z_Wipf
      Winner! BY TECHNICAL KNOCK OUT! Williams22! He just ran everything you said into the ground Goat.

      I could go on for days about reasons I hate Kobe.

      Here's one I forgot, the game where Phil criticized him for taking too many shots in the first half. Kobe's mature response was to refuse to shoot for the rest of the game.

      Oh, and let's not forget all the whining and the trade demands 2 years ago.
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        I have no comment to make because you just said the dumbest thing ever said. Lebron James has hit more buzzer beaters than Kobe Bryant. Get the hell out of this forum you little twirp. KOBE BRYANT
        Current Total = 27
        Buzzer Beaters = 8
        Game Winning Field Goals = 24
        Game Winning 3-Pointers = 4
        Game Winning Free Throws = 3
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        Dec. 27, 1999: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs w/ 8.6 secs)

        May 09, 1999: Lakers 101 - Rockets 100 (PO, game-winning FTs w/ 5.3 secs)

        May 10, 2000: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (PO, jumper over Jason Kidd w/ 2.6 secs)

        Feb. 07, 2001: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper over Shawn Marion w/ 2.7 sec)

        Feb. 13, 2001: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT layup/and-1 w/ 4.8 secs)

        Jan. 02, 2002: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off-reb and jumper w/ 55 secs)

        Feb. 22, 2002: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (buzzer-beater, jumper over George Lynch)

        May 12, 2002: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (PO, off-reb and put-back w/ 5.1 secs)

        Dec. 06, 2002: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (turn-around jumper w/ 8 secs)

        April 04, 2003: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater, jumper over Shane Battier)

        April 06, 2003: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (OT, game-tying jumper for OT, jumper over Shawn Marion w/ 28.6 sec)

        Dec. 19, 2003: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (buzzer-beater, fade-away over Jon Barry)

        Mar. 21, 2004: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper over Keith Van Horn w/ 25.1 sec)

        April 14, 2004: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT, game-tying 3-pointer for OT, fall-away 3-pointer buzzer-beater)

        Mar. 12, 2005: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (jumper over Keith Bogans w/ 0.9 secs)

        Nov. 02, 2005: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper over Ed Najera w/ 0.6 secs)

        Dec. 04, 2005: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs w/ 7 secs)

        Jan. 12, 2006: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper over LeBron James w/ 8.6 secs)

        April 30, 2006: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (PO, OT, game-tying tear-drop for OT, buzzer-beater jumper over Boris Diaw)

        Jan. 14, 2008: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT jumper over Jeff Green w/ 4.3 secs)

        Jan. 09, 2009: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper over Jarrett Jack w/ 3 secs)

        Dec. 04, 2009: Lakers 108 - Heat 107 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer over Dwyane Wade)

        Dec. 16, 2009: Lakers 107 - Bucks 106 (OT buzzer-beater, jumper over Charlie Bell)

        Jan. 01, 2010: Lakers 109 - Kings 108 (buzzer-beater, 3-pointer)

        Jan. 31, 2010: Lakers 90 - Celtics 89 (jumper over Ray Allen w/ 7.3 secs)

        Feb. 23, 2010: Lakers 99 - Grizzlies 98 (3-pointer over Rudy Gay w/ 4.3 secs)

        Mar. 09, 2010: Lakers 109 - Raptors 107 (fade-away jumper over Antoine Wright w/ 1.9 secs)

        Percentage of GW that are Field Goals: 89 %
        Percentage of GW that are Free Throws: 11 %
        Percentage of GW that are 3-Pointers: 15 %
        Percentage of GW that are Buzzer Beaters: 30 %


        LEBRON JAMES
        Current Total = 12
        Buzzer Beaters = 2
        Game Winning Field Goals = 9
        Game Winning 3-Pointers = 1
        Game Winning Free Throws = 3
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        Mar. 22, 2006: Cavaliers 120 - Bobcats 118 (jumper over Jumaine Jones w/ 0.9 secs)

        April 10, 2006: Cavaliers 103 - Hornets 101 (jumper over Desmond Mason w/ 0.5 secs)

        April 28, 2006: Cavaliers 97 - Wizards 96 (PO, bank-shot over Mike Ruffin w/ 5 secs)

        May 03, 2006: Cavaliers 121 - Wizards 120 (PO, layup w/ 0.9 secs)

        May 31, 2007: Cavaliers 109 - Pistons 107 (PO, layup w/ 2.2 secs)

        Jan. 17, 2008: Cavaliers 90 - Spurs 88 (layup w/ 33.6 secs)

        Jan. 30, 2008: Cavaliers 84 - TrailBlazers 83 (layup w/ 0.9 secs)

        Feb. 22, 2008: Cavaliers 90 - Wizards 89 (game-winning FTs w/ 7.8 secs)

        Jan. 23, 2009: Cavaliers 106 - Warriors 105 (buzzer-beater, jumper over Ronnie Turiaf)

        Mar. 01, 2009: Cavaliers 88 - Hawks 87 (game-winning FT w/ 1.6 secs)

        May 22, 2009: Cavaliers 96 - Magic 95 (PO buzzer-beater, 3-pointer over Hedo Turkolgu)

        Jan. 25, 2010: Cavaliers 92 - Heat 91 (game-winning FT w/ 4.1 secs)

        Percentage of GW that are Field Goals: 75 %
        Percentage of GW that are Free Throws: 25 %
        Percentage of GW that are 3-Pointers = 8 %
        Percentage of GW that are Buzzer Beaters: 17 %

        Even not counting this year, Kobe has more. Don't try and get smart buddy- Lebron James hasn't hit even close to as many buzzer beaters as Kobe.

        The bottom line is, Kobe is better than Lebron, has championships to prove it, and Lebron will NEVER be on Kobe's level until he wins a few rings. Wade is more of a champion that Lebron. You want to talk about a tool? Who walked off the court and didn't even shake hands with the Magic after he lost?

        Get your facts straight.
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          #39
          If you want to do battle with me, you better prepare yourself first son. Next thing your going to say is Lebron is a better jump shooter than Kobe
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            #40
            Originally posted by Goat Milk
            If you want to do battle with me, you better prepare yourself first son. Next thing your going to say is Lebron is a better jump shooter than Kobe
            Which players are the best in the closing moments with a game on the line? 82games.com seeks out the answers in this look at game winning shot stats.


            You can't compare Kobe v. Lebron and then use shots from before Lebron was in the league, genius.

            Here's the clutch stats for this year, please note how Lebron owns Kobe in nearly every category: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

            Lebron currently has a higher FG%, 3FG%, and eFG% as well.

            Also, I'd love to see you defend Kobe as a good teammate and leader, what a joke. Lebron is now at 8.6 APG this year, fyi.
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            • HoulihansTX
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              #41
              Kobe has regressed into being only a scorer. Nothing more or less.
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                #42
                Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                Kobe has regressed into being only a scorer. Nothing more or less.
                Wait, he was more than a glorified volume-scorer at some point in his career?
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                • HoulihansTX
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by williams22
                  Wait, he was more than a glorified volume-scorer at some point in his career?
                  He was a great defender, but his physical talents no longer are what they used to be.
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                    He was a great defender, but his physical talents no longer are what they used to be.
                    True, and he still is, he just can't sustain it for the length of the game anymore. Also, I'm convinced he gets away with more hand-checks than any other perimeter player.
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                      He was a great defender, but his physical talents no longer are what they used to be.
                      Player First Team Second Team Total Defensive Player of the Year
                      1 Michael Jordan 9 0 9 1
                      1 Gary Payton 9 0 9 1
                      3 Tim Duncan^ 8 4 12 0
                      4 Kevin Garnett^ 8 2 10 1
                      5 Scottie Pippen 8 2 10 0
                      6 Bobby Jones 8 1 9 0
                      7 Kobe Bryant^ 7 2 9 0

                      Kobe has been defensive all 1st team 7 times, including like 4 consecutive years or something. How can you say Kobe has regressed into only a scorer? He's attempting less shots than Lebron, Wade, Mello. Kobe was a pure scorer like 4 5 years ago when he averaged 36 a game (fckin sick).

                      Williams, I respect Lebron, no doubt he and wade are right there behind Kobe, but do you know why Lebron shoots a better FG percentage? It's because he drives to the rim like 75 percent of the time, and Kobe's at the age where he simply takes jumpers and fadeaways and wants to save his energy for the post season. You'll see, once the post season comes, Kobe will be driving hard to the rack and drawing fouls when he needs to. Also, Kobe takes WAYYY more tough shots then Lebron. Every other shot Kobe takes is a contested fadeaway. Lebron gets into the paint and gives him way higher percentage shots that way.
                      Last edited by Goat Milk; 03-28-10, 08:43 PM. Reason: Not Kobe "was" a great defender. Kobe is a great defender, the best perimeter defender in the NBA by far.
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by williams22
                        Which players are the best in the closing moments with a game on the line? 82games.com seeks out the answers in this look at game winning shot stats.


                        You can't compare Kobe v. Lebron and then use shots from before Lebron was in the league, genius.

                        Here's the clutch stats for this year, please note how Lebron owns Kobe in nearly every category: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM
                        WAIT WAIT- we're talking this year right. You said "for this year." Are you suggesting that Lebron has been more clutch than Kobe this year? Please say yes so I can just leave this forum for good.
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                          #47
                          NBA 2009-10 season player clutch stats in the fourth quarter and overtime of close games, including points, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage and more.


                          Numbers dont lie
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by Goat Milk
                            WAIT WAIT- we're talking this year right. You said "for this year." Are you suggesting that Lebron has been more clutch than Kobe this year? Please say yes so I can just leave this forum for good.
                            The second link is clutch time stats for this year. Whether you feel that makes him "more clutch" or not is up to you, but it is my feeling that people overvalue buzzer beaters and undervalue production in the final few minutes. If you watch Lebron in close games, he often makes his push about halfway through the game, ensuring the a buzzer-beater isn't needed. I like looking at these clutch stats more than counting buzzer beaters because the number of opportunities is nowhere close to equal. In fact, I can't think of a single game off the top of my head where Lebron has had the opportunity to take a single buzzer beater.
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                              #49
                              So I guess Lou Williams is more clutch than Mello, Billups, Joe Johnson, Durant, etc? Riggggghhhtt....
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                Player First Team Second Team Total Defensive Player of the Year
                                1 Michael Jordan 9 0 9 1
                                1 Gary Payton 9 0 9 1
                                3 Tim Duncan^ 8 4 12 0
                                4 Kevin Garnett^ 8 2 10 1
                                5 Scottie Pippen 8 2 10 0
                                6 Bobby Jones 8 1 9 0
                                7 Kobe Bryant^ 7 2 9 0

                                Kobe has been defensive all 1st team 7 times, including like 4 consecutive years or something. How can you say Kobe has regressed into only a scorer? He's attempting less shots than Lebron, Wade, Mello. Kobe was a pure scorer like 4 5 years ago when he averaged 36 a game (fckin sick).

                                Williams, I respect Lebron, no doubt he and wade are right there behind Kobe, but do you know why Lebron shoots a better FG percentage? It's because he drives to the rim like 75 percent of the time, and Kobe's at the age where he simply takes jumpers and fadeaways and wants to save his energy for the post season. You'll see, once the post season comes, Kobe will be driving hard to the rack and drawing fouls when he needs to. Also, Kobe takes WAYYY more tough shots then Lebron. Every other shot Kobe takes is a contested fadeaway. Lebron gets into the paint and gives him way higher percentage shots that way.
                                Saying Lebron takes 75% layups and Kobe takes WAYYY more tough shots is just blatant generalization. They both take incredibly difficult shots every game. Lebron attacks the rim more than Kobe, which is a good thing. Lebron also attempts more 3s than Kobe and hits at a higher percentage.

                                By the way, Kobe is not the best perimeter defender in the league. He isn't even the best on his team, Artest is.
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                  So I guess Lou Williams is more clutch than Mello, Billups, Joe Johnson, Durant, etc? Riggggghhhtt....
                                  Listen, you can ignore the numbers if you wish. People put FAR too much weight on anecdotal evidence when it comes to discussing "clutch" play. The moral of the story is the most "clutch" players are those produce at the end of tight games.]

                                  Keep in mind the stats do not reflect wins and losses.
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                                    190 NBA players polled; They want Kobe to take last shot
                                    BY CHRIS MANNING | FEBRUARY 12, 2009 |

                                    SI has a Players NBA Poll: With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot? Here are the results…

                                    With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot?

                                    Kobe Bryant, Lakers G…..76%
                                    Chauncey Billups, Nuggets G…..3%
                                    LeBron James, Cavaliers F…..3%
                                    Paul Pierce, Celtics F…..3%
                                    Dwyane Wade, Heat G…..2%

                                    Ask 190 NBA PLAYERS (WHO I THINK HAVE AN OPINION...) 75 percent want Kobe taking the last shot for the win. What does that say about who is more clutch? I'm sure your going to try and argue with this as well...
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                                      #53
                                      BTW: Kobe is a much better defender than Artest, and when it counts, in closing stages of a game, Kobe will be guarding Lebron/Wade/whatever Gaurd/Small Forward it may be he's playing against. Coaches like Jeff Van Gundi have time and time again called Kobe the best 1 on 1 defender in the league.
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                        190 NBA players polled; They want Kobe to take last shot
                                        BY CHRIS MANNING | FEBRUARY 12, 2009 |

                                        SI has a Players NBA Poll: With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot? Here are the results…

                                        With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot?

                                        Kobe Bryant, Lakers G…..76%
                                        Chauncey Billups, Nuggets G…..3%
                                        LeBron James, Cavaliers F…..3%
                                        Paul Pierce, Celtics F…..3%
                                        Dwyane Wade, Heat G…..2%

                                        Ask 190 NBA PLAYERS (WHO I THINK HAVE AN OPINION...) 75 percent want Kobe taking the last shot for the win. What does that say about who is more clutch? I'm sure your going to try and argue with this as well...
                                        Of course I've seen this poll. Lebron has made great progress since then. That being said, I still take Lebron on my team because he closes the game better than anyone and ensures a last shot is never needed.
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                          190 NBA players polled; They want Kobe to take last shot
                                          BY CHRIS MANNING | FEBRUARY 12, 2009 |

                                          SI has a Players NBA Poll: With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot? Here are the results…

                                          With the game on the line, which NBA player would you want to take the last shot?

                                          Kobe Bryant, Lakers G…..76%
                                          Chauncey Billups, Nuggets G…..3%
                                          LeBron James, Cavaliers F…..3%
                                          Paul Pierce, Celtics F…..3%
                                          Dwyane Wade, Heat G…..2%

                                          Ask 190 NBA PLAYERS (WHO I THINK HAVE AN OPINION...) 75 percent want Kobe taking the last shot for the win. What does that say about who is more clutch? I'm sure your going to try and argue with this as well...
                                          Thats only 87% wheres the rest
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                                            #56
                                            In that same poll NBA players voted Lebron as the player they would most like to play with. Kobe also ranked in the top 5 for dirtiest player in the league.
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                                              #57
                                              I'm assuming these were the main ones mentioned, and the other 13% were just all scattered 1%ers like Joe Johnson, Mello, Ginobli, Ray Allen, etc. I think it's clear who players in the NBA fear the most with the seconds winding down.
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                                              • The_Kid
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                                                #58
                                                There was a time when Kobe Bryant was a premier athlete in this league. But even in his prime he would never compare to the Paul Bunyan-esque physical attributes of LeBron James...
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                                                  I never said Kobe is a better teammate than Lebron (though Kobe is still a great teammate in my opinion), we're talking about clutchness, don't change the subject. That poll showed that 75 percent of NBA players want the ball in Kobe's hands with the game on the line vs. only 3 percent for Lebron? Why is that? Because time and time again, Kobe has proven himself.

                                                  Lebron has yet to prove his clutchness- if the stats don't lie, then why arn't more players confident in Lebron? They're more confident in Billups then they are in Lebron. Lebron has missed more game winners then I can remember.
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                    I never said Kobe is a better teammate than Lebron (though Kobe is still a great teammate in my opinion), we're talking about clutchness, don't change the subject. That poll showed that 75 percent of NBA players want the ball in Kobe's hands with the game on the line vs. only 3 percent for Lebron? Why is that? Because time and time again, Kobe has proven himself.

                                                    Lebron has yet to prove his clutchness- if the stats don't lie, then why arn't more players confident in Lebron? They're more confident in Billups then they are in Lebron. Lebron has missed more game winners then I can remember.
                                                    Polls are not stats. Again I repeat myself, Lebron has not had near as many opportunities. Lebron and the Cavs close out games before the final 24 seconds much more often than the Lakers do, especially this year.

                                                    I would take Lebron's clutch production over Kobe's buzzer beaters any day. Logic tells me that the better performer in the final 5 minutes of games will end up with more wins.
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                                                      The Kid,

                                                      Great article, I completely agree. You call LB "The King" even before he gets his 1st ring? Williams22, read that article, going back to the teammate thing now that we have the clutchness cleared up (Lebron will never be as clutch as Kobe...never)...Lebron and Mello were so inspired by Kobe's work ethic, look at what it did to their games this year. Lebron and Mello are putting up the best stats of their careers in the season following USA's win. Kobe is a proven winner, and he'll show you what he needs from you to win. That might be a bad team mate in your eyes because sometimes he'll yell at people and call them out, but at least he knows what it takes to win, and he does what he thinks is necessary to do so, sometimes, that includes taking drastic measures.
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                                                        #62
                                                        I was fairly nervous everytime LBJ was at the line in the playoffs last year
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                                                          No logic doesn't tell you that, the stats tell you that. Now tell me you would take Lou Williams over Billups in the last 5 minutes of the 4th. Based on your "logic," Williams (FYI the backup PG for Philly) would be the clear-cut choice because the stats indicate hes better in clutch time. Your "logic" seems deeply flawed.

                                                          And by the way, Lebron has missed 33 game winners since he's been in the league (so don't say he hasn't had his opportunities). Kobe has missed 42, and has been in the league almost double the time.
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                                                            #64
                                                            Kobe's a bitch. Enough said
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                                                              #65
                                                              williams if kobe is a bad teammate , a bad human being then what can you say about jordan? he punched his own teammate steve kerr in practice, and ripped all of his rivals during his hall of fame speech does that make him a fraud like what your saying about kobe? you didn't even know him personally to judge he's a bad teammate to others, if he's that bad i think no one will ever sign with the lakers, because all of them knows kobe will be with the lakers all the time
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                                Even not counting this year, Kobe has more. Don't try and get smart buddy- Lebron James hasn't hit even close to as many buzzer beaters as Kobe. The bottom line is, Kobe is better than Lebron, has championships to prove it, and Lebron will NEVER be on Kobe's level until he wins a few rings. Wade is more of a champion that Lebron. You want to talk about a tool? Who walked off the court and didn't even shake hands with the Magic after he lost? Get your facts straight.
                                                                -the argument was in the "same time frame". kobe has been in the league longer obviously he should have more game winners
                                                                -kobe is a superscorer, he only leads his team to wins by scoring tons of points. as u said, look at the couple seasons where kobe didnt
                                                                have shaq, the main stats he raised was his scoring.
                                                                -pau gasol was a great player before he got to the lakers, its just nobody cared since he played in memphis

                                                                but lets step back a second. there will always be some1 that averages 30ppg in the league, guarenteed
                                                                but how many of them can average 30ppg with 7-8 rebs and 7-8 assists every year?
                                                                that is rare. thats one of the main reason why i went from saying kobe is the best to lebron is the best.
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by kobefanatic
                                                                  williams if kobe is a bad teammate , a bad human being then what can you say about jordan? he punched his own teammate steve kerr in practice, and ripped all of his rivals during his hall of fame speech does that make him a fraud like what your saying about kobe? you didn't even know him personally to judge he's a bad teammate to others, if he's that bad i think no one will ever sign with the lakers, because all of them knows kobe will be with the lakers all the time
                                                                  I don't like Jordan as a person either. I actually lost a ton of respect for him after the hall of fame speech. I thought it was incredibly bitter and uncalled for. Jordan did a much better job of hiding just how cruel of a person he was than Kobe does.

                                                                  This adds to why I like Lebron. I like that he can be a superstar yet still be humble enough to talk to reporters and fans with respect and a smile. Some people don't think that matters anymore. He's the most charismatic star any sport has seen since Magic. Coach K called him the most charismatic person he's ever met and the greatest leader he's ever coached.
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                                                                    #68

                                                                    whats up buddy?
                                                                    hope all is well
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      By the way, in February Lebron averaged over 30 PPG and 10 APG, becoming the first player to do so since 1973 (which was done in a ABA-weakened league I might add).
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                                                                        ok Oscar Robinson averaged a tripple double how many times? Grant hill averaged like 22 10 boards and 7 dimes one season. And there has been several seasons where 28 ppg was the high scorer, I think Kobe at like 28.7 or something one season was the high.

                                                                        What about Tmac?

                                                                        Tmac averaged 26 8 and 5 one season, and 32, 6.5, 5.5 one season. How about D wade? He averaged 27 6 and 7 one season (i'm rounding up by a few decimal places). How about the fact that D wade is 5 inches shorter than Bron and he's averaged more blocks than Bron almost every season of their careers. And steals as well.

                                                                        Lebron is an overrated defender. D wade obviously deserved def 1st team last year over bron, he averaged more steals and blocks than Lebron, and I'm pretty sure he set the record for most blocks ever in a season by a guard.

                                                                        On sports center, someone makes a shot falling away over the backboard and they say that was "lebronesque." How was that "Lebronesque" when Kobe did it first, and then Lebron copied it? Man some people just need to hop off this guys nuts, if he can't win a championship with this squad, there's definitely something wrong (Cavs are by far the deepest team in the league, Shaq, Big Z, and Verajuo at C?), Jamison, Hickson, Powe. LOOK At THAT FRONT LINE!
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