Amare Stoudamire to Cleveland

SamsNCharge99 · 02-14-10, 10:30 AM

get rid of Verijo

fukking BUM

2daBank · 02-14-10, 10:34 AM

is this for real?

2daBank · 02-14-10, 10:35 AM

didnt think he liked playing with shaq

SBR_John · 02-14-10, 10:40 AM

Amare is a great talent but still does not know how to tie his shoes. He needs a team of veterans. The suns should deal him to Boston.

ProfaneReality · 02-14-10, 10:43 AM

very real, cavs beat writer said it won't be officially announced til tonight/tomorrow morning

I agree Shaq/Amare didn't look comfortable together last year, but the beat writer for the cavs made a good point...their total time on the court together in Cleveland would be 6-10 minutes a game with the way they rotate Shaq.

blackNgoldjuice · 02-14-10, 10:44 AM

Hickson was starting to come into his own and Z played much better with Lebron than Shaq. Don't know how much this really helps the Cavs. They won 13 straight with the guys they were sendin out there recently. Why mess with that?

2daBank · 02-14-10, 10:47 AM

either way it still a great move for them...should keep Lebron around, whether him and shaq work well together makes them very tough, and you would think this is shaq's last year anyway

jjgold · 02-14-10, 10:47 AM

Bad move Cleve

Hickson was becoming big time

2daBank · 02-14-10, 10:49 AM

yea but hickson isnt gonna keep Lebron in cle

lakerboy · 02-14-10, 10:50 AM

great move by the cavs, making moves for a team that has won 13 straight games will be good for team chemistry. amare was so happy with shaq last year.

Otters27 · 02-14-10, 10:51 AM

dammit wanted the nuggets to get him.

2daBank · 02-14-10, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

great move by the cavs, making moves for a team that has won 13 straight games will be good for team chemistry. amare was so happy with shaq last year.

lol...yea they damn sure didnt play well together

whatsgood5 · 02-14-10, 10:54 AM

Didn't see this trade coming, it'll be nice to lay to rest all of the Amare to NY/NJ rumors though.

whatsgood5 · 02-14-10, 10:55 AM

ESPN bottomline also said that the Cavs are making this trade b/c they think it'll make Lebron want to stay. I really don't think this will have too much of an impact on his decision.

Bluehorseshoe · 02-14-10, 10:55 AM

Can both work moneywise for the cavs next year?

ProfaneReality · 02-14-10, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by whatsgood5

ESPN bottomline also said that the Cavs are making this trade b/c they think it'll make Lebron want to stay. I really don't think this will have too much of an impact on his decision.

Considering Lebron went to Ferry and told him Amare is his top choice, I think it might help.

ProfaneReality · 02-14-10, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Bluehorseshoe

Can both work moneywise for the cavs next year?

Yes, because Cavs will have bird rights to Amare and Lebron and can go over the cap to sign them. Owner has shown he will spend whatever.

ProfaneReality · 02-14-10, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by blackNgoldjuice

Hickson was starting to come into his own and Z played much better with Lebron than Shaq. Don't know how much this really helps the Cavs. They won 13 straight with the guys they were sendin out there recently. Why mess with that?

Phoenix wanted Z solely for his expiring deal. He will be bought out and return to the Cavs after 30 days. Ala Mcdyess a few years ago with Detroit

JohnAnthony · 02-14-10, 11:06 AM

Stoudamire isn't today what he was 18 months ago.

2daBank · 02-14-10, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by whatsgood5

ESPN bottomline also said that the Cavs are making this trade b/c they think it'll make Lebron want to stay. I really don't think this will have too much of an impact on his decision.

this move is clearly being made to keep Lebron...even more so then trying to win this year as all they doing is fukkin up what is already almost the best team....so id say you crazy if this doesnt help keep him id guess this seals the deal

whatsgood5 · 02-14-10, 11:10 AM

Yeah, I know the trade was made to keep Lebron, but I really just don't think it will have an impact on his decision. Personally I feel like he's definitely going to stay in Cleveland, and was going to anyways. This might sweeten the deal a little bit, but I really don't think he would have left anyways.

That being said, please come to NY!

james4512 · 02-14-10, 12:15 PM

this is an extrmely bad move by the cavs. All the premiere eastern conference teams have good big men, shaq can only defend the post and amare couldnt defend an 83 year old women. Cleveland is going to be weak inside, not worth trading scoring for defense in this situation, they should have tried to get butler

williams22 · 02-14-10, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by james4512

this is an extrmely bad move by the cavs. All the premiere eastern conference teams have good big men, shaq can only defend the post and amare couldnt defend an 83 year old women. Cleveland is going to be weak inside, not worth trading scoring for defense in this situation, they should have tried to get butler

Um?

Have you seen Hickson play defense? He's horrible.

Lebron has said that getting Amare will keep him in Cleveland. The Cavs have already discussed a contract extension with Amare. The Amare/Shaq issue is WAY overblown. They were fighting on Phoenix because both wanted to be the go-to guy, but neither will be in Cleveland and they know that.

FreeFall · 02-14-10, 12:36 PM

It's time for amare to leave my team, I'm glad to see this happening.

james4512 · 02-14-10, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Um?

Have you seen Hickson play defense? He's horrible.

Lebron has said that getting Amare will keep him in Cleveland. The Cavs have already discussed a contract extension with Amare. The Amare/Shaq issue is WAY overblown. They were fighting on Phoenix because both wanted to be the go-to guy, but neither will be in Cleveland and they know that.

i have actually, and hes a high energy guy, whose a good rebounder and plays pretty solid defense, amare is soft and isnt a winner bottom line, caron butler was the move and yet again the cavs make the wrong move

EmpireMaker · 02-14-10, 12:54 PM

Shoulda traded Shaq to anyone that would be stupid enough to take him and moved forward from there !!!

Team Ramrod · 02-14-10, 02:17 PM

probably wont even go down cuz of all the hype

williams22 · 02-14-10, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by james4512

i have actually, and hes a high energy guy, whose a good rebounder and plays pretty solid defense, amare is soft and isnt a winner bottom line, caron butler was the move and yet again the cavs make the wrong move

He's high energy, not high IQ. He misses rotation constantly and doesn't stand a chance guarding stretch 4s. Amare isn't a winner because he's been on Phoenix, a team that will be entrenched in it's losing ways for quite some time. Caron Butler would have been a horrible pick up. What does he give the Cavs that they don't already have? Danny Ferry has made some damn good moves lately (Mo, Shaq for nothing, being able to dump Larry Hughes, getting J-Moon, Parker, and Powe for cheap).

Originally posted by EmpireMaker

Shoulda traded Shaq to anyone that would be stupid enough to take him and moved forward from there !!!

You realize Shaq has been playing great ball for the last months right? So much so that a few analysts and announcers even uttered "all-star" in reference to him.

suicidekings · 02-14-10, 03:37 PM

Amare is playing some great ball this season. He's been finishing and drawing the contact very well, especially late in the game. However, having Steve Nash feed him has had a lot to do with his success. My question is how his game will have to change in Cleveland to fit into the Cavs team dynamic?

On it's own, I feel like picking him up is a good move by the Cavs, however giving up Hickson/Ilgauskas for him is questionable. I feel like it's a fairly lateral move rather than a big addition

HoulihansTX · 02-14-10, 03:38 PM

I wonder what Amare will be without Nash?

williams22 · 02-14-10, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Amare is playing some great ball this season. He's been finishing and drawing the contact very well, especially late in the game. However, having Steve Nash feed him has had a lot to do with his success. My question is how his game will have to change in Cleveland to fit into the Cavs team dynamic?

On it's own, I feel like picking him up is a great move by the Cavs, however giving up Hickson/Ilgauskas for him is questionable. I feel like the Cavs will miss Z...

The only way the Cavs go through with this is if they expect Phoenix to waive Z so they can resign him in 30 days (which multiple sources have said is expected). In the meantime, it allows Z to get some rest before the final stretch.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

I wonder what Amare will be without Nash?

Lebron's passing and presence in drawing help defenders on the offensive end will certainly make up for it. The bigger question is how much his numbers will drop going from a stat-inflating Suns offense to the Cavs. If Amare is focused on winning rather than personal accolades this could make the Cavs one damn scary team.

suicidekings · 02-14-10, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by williams22

The only way the Cavs go through with this is if they expect Phoenix to waive Z so they can resign him in 30 days (which multiple sources have said is expected). In the meantime, it allows Z to get some rest before the final stretch.

Sounds solid. Sorry I edited above. We'll see how it plays out. It honestly could go either way as to how much it benefits the Cavs, but that's what I thought about Shaq as well initially.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Sounds solid. Sorry I edited above. We'll see how it plays out. It honestly could go either way as to how much it benefits the Cavs, but that's what I thought about Shaq as well initially.

Agreed. However, if the trade would guarantee that Lebron stays I think Cleveland would have to be crazy not to do it.