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  • eviltsi
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    • 01-19-10
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    #36
    i kind of what lebron to win it with this team they all deserve it after a great last couple of seasons.

    what up big z!!!

    lebrroooon
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    • williams22
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      • 09-19-08
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      #37
      Originally posted by spargament
      cavs fans are so funny to me. The wizards are asking too much for a double double machine who is a veteran leader that fits perfectly for the cavs? A player in JJ hickson who has a couple decent games and is now the next messiah at PF and a shitty first round pick thats gonna be within the last 5? Jamisons contract size and length isn't nearly bad enough to make those demands unreasonable. The cavs need to win a title this season to make sure for a fact that they keep LeBron, so if that means giving up a player that may one day be a top 15 pf and a low draft pick, so be it.
      Word is that Washington is asking for Z, JJ, a draft pick, and potentially even Delonte thrown in. That is definitely too much. The Wizards just want to clear cap right now. Jamison is a huge contract and has passed the peak of career. JJ is not going to be a top 15 PF. If Washington would promise to waive Z, the Cavs would instantly do Z/JJ/Draft pick for Jamison, but Washington is asking for more.
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      • williams22
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        #38
        Originally posted by Noles506
        Trading Hickson and a first round pick for Amare....well first off, how would that work? One guy makes what? 2 million or less, and Amare is in the 15-17 million dollar category.....They would have to throw in Big Z to even make it work....Why would Phoenix want him for a half a season? And a late pick? why???? lol

        You have Big Z @ 11.5 million
        Mo Williams @ 9 Million
        Varejao @ almost 7

        A combination of these guys would have to be dealt as well, just to make it work....I mean you have Lebron & Shaq @ 15 & 20 million...but LBJ is going no where & Phoenix isn't gonna trade for Shaq again!

        Jamison & Iglauskas would be a good swap, the salaries match up...probably have to be another player involved on the Cle side.
        Z would be in the trade, that's how it would happen. Not to mention the Cavs have Wally Szczerbiak they could use as well. Phoenix gets to clear a lot of cap with this move and also picks up a young prospect they love in JJ.

        When you are talking about NBA salary cap you have to keep in mind that the Cavs would have the Bird rights for Amare and Lebron which would allow them to go over the cap to resign these players.
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        • williams22
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          • 09-19-08
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          #39
          Originally posted by SamsonSharp
          Williams are you from Cleveland? J/w because I noticed your in every in every single thread that mentions either lebron or the cavs
          Nope, just a huge Cavs fan.

          Originally posted by rm18
          Amare really is not that good of a player but would help them get a little better. Both Murphy and Jamison would help more.
          Murphy would be awful. If you watch the Pacers play you will see he really tends to get his 3s trailing on fast breaks. The Cavs already have plenty of guys who can do that. Jamsion would be better for this year, but Amare would be better for the future.

          Originally posted by jjgold
          Amare is more of a sellfish player and Lebron is the man in Cleve, he might kill the chemistry of the team.
          It's easy for guys to become selfish on teams that don't win, since that's all they have to strive for is personal accolades. However, apparently both Lebron and Amare are very excited about the possibility of this trade. I don't think it would be tough to get Amare to play second or third fiddle along with Lebron. People underestimate just how badly most stars want to play with Lebron.
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          • The fiddler
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            • 01-27-10
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            #40
            Originally posted by williams22
            If this deal promises to keep Lebron in Cleveland it's a no-brainer for the Cavs. Rumor has it Cleveland is just waiting for the official OK from Phoenix now.
            How would aquiring Staudamire ensure LBJ staying in Cleveland? If that were the case, then I would make the deal. But that makes no sense. Amare will be a free agent at the end of the year.

            Secondly, whereby Staudamire would add another intangible to this team, I think unloading JJ Hickson would be a horrible mistake.

            You seem to know all of the inside doings of the Cavs. With all due respects, I doubt that you actually do.
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            • The fiddler
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              • 01-27-10
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              #41
              Originally posted by williams22
              Word is that Washington is asking for Z, JJ, a draft pick, and potentially even Delonte thrown in. That is definitely too much. The Wizards just want to clear cap right now. Jamison is a huge contract and has passed the peak of career. JJ is not going to be a top 15 PF. If Washington would promise to waive Z, the Cavs would instantly do Z/JJ/Draft pick for Jamison, but Washington is asking for more.

              Jamison stinks...and makes more money than JJ and Anderson V make combined. Thank God he is off the table now.

              There is no such thing as a "promise" to release Big ZZ. It might make economic sense to do so...but a team may not do what they "promise" to do.

              Leave the fuggin team alone...they can win it all this year...and they should have won it last year.
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              • williams22
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                #42
                Originally posted by The fiddler
                How would aquiring Staudamire ensure LBJ staying in Cleveland? If that were the case, then I would make the deal. But that makes no sense. Amare will be a free agent at the end of the year.

                Secondly, whereby Staudamire would add another intangible to this team, I think unloading JJ Hickson would be a horrible mistake.

                You seem to know all of the inside doings of the Cavs. With all due respects, I doubt that you actually do.
                1. The Cavs have already talked to Stoudamire about an extension. They would sign him to a 3-year extension before the end of the season if this trade goes through. Add him to a core of Mo, Delonte, and Varejao and you have a pretty solid young group for Lebron to play with.

                2. I'm not sure what Stoudamire adds that you deem "intangible", but losing Hickson would not be a horrible mistake. Hickson's stock is as high as it's ever been right now due to a few strong performances as of late. What people don't realize is that about 80% of his points come off of assists from Lebron. Any PF that cuts hard to the rim gets rewarded by Lebron. Hickson has not shown any improvement on defense and has too many mental lapses to play a prime role on a contender.

                3. I've got a pretty good grasp of the Cavs. Obviously I'm not sitting inside Ferry's office, but I know the team very well and I understand their strengths and weaknesses.
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                • The fiddler
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                  • 01-27-10
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by HCBoone
                  It would be stupid to throw away JJ. Hope this doesn't happen.

                  ^^^This. JJ Hickson is a very special young talent. He can develop a jump shot later....just like Z did a decade ago.

                  Plus, Hickson is only 21 years old.
                  Leave this team alone.
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                  • ngates815
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                    • 12-01-09
                    • 13845

                    #44
                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                    Ilgauskas looks like a concentration camp guard.
                    Anytime there is a confrontation on the court, I always look to see where he is. He looks like a guy just waiting to get in a fight. I'd be scared of him.
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                    • The fiddler
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                      • 01-27-10
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by williams22
                      1. The Cavs have already talked to Stoudamire about an extension. They would sign him to a 3-year extension before the end of the season if this trade goes through. Add him to a core of Mo, Delonte, and Varejao and you have a pretty solid young group for Lebron to play with.

                      2. I'm not sure what Stoudamire adds that you deem "intangible", but losing Hickson would not be a horrible mistake. Hickson's stock is as high as it's ever been right now due to a few strong performances as of late. What people don't realize is that about 80% of his points come off of assists from Lebron. Any PF that cuts hard to the rim gets rewarded by Lebron. Hickson has not shown any improvement on defense and has too many mental lapses to play a prime role on a contender.

                      3. I've got a pretty good grasp of the Cavs. Obviously I'm not sitting inside Ferry's office, but I know the team very well and I understand their strengths and weaknesses.

                      I will concede that Staudamire is a better all around player, RIGHT NOW. But let's not forget...he has played poorly this year.

                      JJ does a lot more than just cut to the rim. But he does that better than most...and probably does it a lot better than Staudamire. He gets to the rim because of his unbelievable athleticism.

                      Is he a little raw? Of course he is. But so were most NBA players that have turned into stars. LBJ was horrible in certain aspects of his game...his first 2 or 3 seasons.

                      And JJ's defense has improved day by day. His block on Howard the other day was something only a handful of players are capable of doing.

                      Leave the team alone.
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                      • HustleGetPaid
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                        • 10-28-09
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                        #46
                        Obviously Lebron sees more in Stoudemire than Hickson or this trade wouldn't be happening!!!! I like JJ but he doesn't help the Cavs win now and isn't a player teams have to worry about. Now I do think he will put up better numbers in the Suns offense, who doesn't? I just think a frontcourt of Lebron and Amare will be nightmares for a team!!!
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                        • The fiddler
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by HustleGetPaid
                          Obviously Lebron sees more in Stoudemire than Hickson or this trade wouldn't be happening!!!! I like JJ but he doesn't help the Cavs win now and isn't a player teams have to worry about. Now I do think he will put up better numbers in the Suns offense, who doesn't? I just think a frontcourt of Lebron and Amare will be nightmares for a team!!!
                          Ha....they interviewed Stan Van Gundy at courtside during the Cavs/Magic game and he told the national audience "we don't worry about JJ Hickson"

                          And then JJ hung 20 on them in about 15 minutes...and Anderson V added another 17 or so.

                          If you think JJ hasn't helped this team win this year (43 and 11) then you haven't watched them every night.

                          He is a raw talent and a coming star, IMO.
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                          • phillybadboy
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                            • 12-11-09
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                            #48
                            woh thats crazy
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                            • williams22
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by The fiddler
                              Ha....they interviewed Stan Van Gundy at courtside during the Cavs/Magic game and he told the national audience "we fon't worry about JJ Hickson"

                              And then JJ hung 20 on them in about 15 minutes...and Anderson V added another 17 or so.

                              If you think JJ hasn't helped this team win this year (43 and 11) then you haven't watched them every night.

                              He is a raw talent and a coming star, IMO.
                              Clearly you have only looked at box scores. The points JJ gets could be gotten by any mobile PF. It's just a result of Lebron's amazing passing ability. JJ will come off the bench in Phoenix and won't be putting up 20 again anytime soon. The kid is athletic but his basketball IQ is poor to say the least.
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                              • lunchbawks
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                                • 01-31-10
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by The fiddler
                                Ha....they interviewed Stan Van Gundy at courtside during the Cavs/Magic game and he told the national audience "we don't worry about JJ Hickson"

                                And then JJ hung 20 on them in about 15 minutes...and Anderson V added another 17 or so.

                                If you think JJ hasn't helped this team win this year (43 and 11) then you haven't watched them every night.

                                He is a raw talent and a coming star, IMO.
                                gimme a break
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                                • lakerboy
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                                  • 04-02-09
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                                  #51
                                  Getting Amare doesnt guarantee anything, he doesnt fit in with the cavs defense first approach. The Lakers know his gig and we arent worried. Just trying to copy the Lakers by getting more athletic big men that have long arms. Odom is better than him and we still have Gasol and Bynum. The Lakers are the team to beat dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
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                                  • The fiddler
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                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by williams22
                                    Clearly you have only looked at box scores. The points JJ gets could be gotten by any mobile PF. It's just a result of Lebron's amazing passing ability. JJ will come off the bench in Phoenix and won't be putting up 20 again anytime soon. The kid is athletic but his basketball IQ is poor to say the least.
                                    Wrong. I watch every single Cavalier game. I know exactly what Hickson does and doesn't do.

                                    I've conceded points about his short comings. But he's only 21 years old for Christ sake.

                                    As for pure athleticism, Hickson is much greater than Amare. And if Staudamire's defense is as big a libality as others claim here on this thread, than this deal makes no sense to me at all.

                                    Hickson right now is a wild colt. But I'd be very careful in dealing him....especially given that the cavs 2 bigs are fuggin fossils.
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                                    • paco
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                                      • 05-07-09
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                                      #53
                                      healthy Lakers team is still te FAVS to win it all again. Lebron will not win a ring until Kobe retires
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                                      • The fiddler
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by lakerboy
                                        Getting Amare doesnt guarantee anything, he doesnt fit in with the cavs defense first approach. The Lakers know his gig and we arent worried. Just trying to copy the Lakers by getting more athletic big men that have long arms. Odom is better than him and we still have Gasol and Bynum. The Lakers are the team to beat dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
                                        Inspite of the Cavs best record in the league and the 2 game sweep over LA the oddsmakers do favor the Lakers over the Cavs to win it all. So I agree with you.
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                                        • The fiddler
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by paco
                                          healthy Lakers team is still te FAVS to win it all again. Lebron will not win a ring until Kobe retires
                                          Favorites don't guarantee shit. Last year, the books had Cleveland as a 6-1 favorite over the Magic in the EC finals last year.

                                          The Lakers are less than 50-50 in even making it to the finals this year.
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                                          • UNCGQ
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                                            • 09-08-09
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                                            #56
                                            This year . . .

                                            Antawn Jamison - 20.5 pts, 8.8 reb, 1.3 ast, 1.5 TO, 1.0 STL, 34% 3pt, $11.6 mil

                                            Amare Stoudemire - 21.2 pts, 8.6 reb, 1.0 ast, 2.7 TO, 0.7 STL, 0% 3pt, $16.4 mil

                                            All those proclaiming Jamison to be washed up junk and Amare the piped piper bringing a title to Cleveland . . . okay.
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                                            • williams22
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                                              • 09-19-08
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by UNCGQ
                                              This year . . .

                                              Antawn Jamison - 20.5 pts, 8.8 reb, 1.3 ast, 1.5 TO, 1.0 STL, 34% 3pt, $11.6 mil

                                              Amare Stoudemire - 21.2 pts, 8.6 reb, 1.0 ast, 2.7 TO, 0.7 STL, 0% 3pt, $16.4 mil

                                              All those proclaiming Jamison to be washed up junk and Amare the piped piper bringing a title to Cleveland . . . okay.
                                              Who has ever said that Jamison is washed up junk? Jamison is probably a better fit this year. Amare is better for the future assuming they can sign him to an extension.
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                                              • HustleGetPaid
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                                                #58
                                                Second half of the season is gonna be fun to watch. I expect the King to have his ring after this season, with or without Stoudemire!!!
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                                                • The fiddler
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by UNCGQ
                                                  This year . . .

                                                  Antawn Jamison - 20.5 pts, 8.8 reb, 1.3 ast, 1.5 TO, 1.0 STL, 34% 3pt, $11.6 mil

                                                  Amare Stoudemire - 21.2 pts, 8.6 reb, 1.0 ast, 2.7 TO, 0.7 STL, 0% 3pt, $16.4 mil

                                                  All those proclaiming Jamison to be washed up junk and Amare the piped piper bringing a title to Cleveland . . . okay.
                                                  Haven't looked at Staudamire's numbers. But Jamison is in fact junk. I would have blown a gasket had the cavs traded Hickson for Jamison.

                                                  Jamison...shoots .447 from the field carrer and even less this year His 3ball average is less than 35%...which is way below league average.

                                                  In addition, both Verajou and Hickson shoot better than 55% from the floor.

                                                  Couple that with the unarguable fact that both Hickson and Verajou grab more rebounds PER MINUTE than Jamison, and now you can see why that trade would have been horrible.
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                                                  • james4512
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                                                    #60
                                                    omg reading this thread is making me sick williams22 no one cares about your opinion, lebrons gone next year HELLO spike lee
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                                                    • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                      • 01-04-09
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by The fiddler
                                                      Wrong. I watch every single Cavalier game. I know exactly what Hickson does and doesn't do.

                                                      I've conceded points about his short comings. But he's only 21 years old for Christ sake.

                                                      As for pure athleticism, Hickson is much greater than Amare. And if Staudamire's defense is as big a libality as others claim here on this thread, than this deal makes no sense to me at all.

                                                      Hickson right now is a wild colt. But I'd be very careful in dealing him....especially given that the cavs 2 bigs are fuggin fossils.
                                                      I'd rather give up Mo Williams than JJ Hickson. Hickson's upside looks to be huge plus Leon Powe should also give a great boost to PF spot. I'm not so sure Cleveland needs to make a move right now because the entire league is down some. The move that needed to have been made was Shaq last year's trade deadline. That was a huge mistake Ferry made sitting on his thumbs. This time, he may need to sit back and not do anything.
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                                                      • The fiddler
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe
                                                        I'd rather give up Mo Williams than JJ Hickson. Hickson's upside looks to be huge plus Leon Powe should also give a great boost to PF spot. I'm not so sure Cleveland needs to make a move right now because the entire league is down some. The move that needed to have been made was Shaq last year's trade deadline. That was a huge mistake Ferry made sitting on his thumbs. This time, he may need to sit back and not do anything.
                                                        No man...no..please no. Mo had a sub par series in the playoffs...especially against Orlando.

                                                        Hopefully, he will benefit from last year's experience and play better.

                                                        But the Cavs need to keep Mo too.
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                                                        • The fiddler
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by james4512
                                                          omg reading this thread is making me sick williams22 no one cares about your opinion, lebrons gone next year HELLO spike lee
                                                          Odds of Bron Bron leaving Cleveland +350.

                                                          Odds of Bron Bron staying in Cleveland -400.

                                                          I'll book your action up to $300.

                                                          There is no logical reason for him to leave. The owner is rich. The owner will go over the cap to win. Cavs will match any competitive offer.

                                                          And....LBJ will make 99.9% of the money staying here vs. going to a high market like NY or LA.

                                                          NBA is not structured like baseball, where the Yankees buy championships.
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                                                          • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by The fiddler
                                                            No man...no..please no. Mo had a sub par series in the playoffs...especially against Orlando.

                                                            Hopefully, he will benefit from last year's experience and play better.

                                                            But the Cavs need to keep Mo too.
                                                            Mo has never shown up in a big game, ever... College or pro plus the Cav's are on the hook for 9 Million next year with him. Too many other PG's that can deliver can be had at a much lower price. Mo's defensive liabilities does not cover up his scoring. He's a 6th man at best.
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                                                            • 1UP
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                                                              #65
                                                              I think the NBA has looked like a joke since the whole "Big 3" thing. Teams have monopolized the league. You have clowns like Cuban abusing the system and trading players with the knowledge they'll be cut and come right back --- now Cleveland's doing it with Ilgauskus.

                                                              LA "stole" Gasol, and now everybody is trying to follow suit by stacking too many big names and not enough role players. Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland...

                                                              But I can guarantee this doesn't make their Championship prospect any better. They're dropping an untouchable player in Hickson and will be left with 3 oft injured bigs in Amare, Z, and Shaq. That's a big gamble that I don't think pays off.

                                                              Don't be surprised if Orlando still tosses them. And if they don't, LA or Denver is still more dangerous.
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                                                              • whatsgood5
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                                                                #66
                                                                Cavs will be even more dangerous now, hard to imagine.
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                                                                • whatsgood5
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by The fiddler
                                                                  odds of Bron Bron leaving Cleveland +350. Odds of Bron Bron staying in Cleveland -400.
                                                                  Agreed unfortunately. Would love to have him on my Knicks, but really don't think he'll leave.
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                                                                  • zogdog
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                                                                    • 01-29-10
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    According to an insider over on a Cavs board, there's a pretty good chance this happens. Kerr wants more talent back and is interested in something like STAT + JRich for Dalembert + Iguodala, but Sarver (Suns owner) doesn't want to take on that much money I don't think, he's notoriously cheap.

                                                                    A Suns insider on RealGM seems to think Amare is definitely gone, and that it's either Sixers or Cavs. Like I said, I have a hard time believing that the Suns' owner would make a move where he doesn't save any money.
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                                                                    • Mac4Lyfe
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                                                                      • 01-04-09
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by 1UP
                                                                      I think the NBA has looked like a joke since the whole "Big 3" thing. Teams have monopolized the league. You have clowns like Cuban abusing the system and trading players with the knowledge they'll be cut and come right back --- now Cleveland's doing it with Ilgauskus.

                                                                      LA "stole" Gasol, and now everybody is trying to follow suit by stacking too many big names and not enough role players. Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland...

                                                                      But I can guarantee this doesn't make their Championship prospect any better. They're dropping an untouchable player in Hickson and will be left with 3 oft injured bigs in Amare, Z, and Shaq. That's a big gamble that I don't think pays off.

                                                                      Don't be surprised if Orlando still tosses them. And if they don't, LA or Denver is still more dangerous.
                                                                      Orlando has taken a huge step back losing Turkoglu. He was the one guy Cleveland couldn't answer. I don't know how Orlando let him go. Orlando got better to beat the C's but much worse to beat the Cav's. Cav's have a much easier road to win the East but still will be hard pressed to beat the Laker's when they are motivated.
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                                                                      • Grind House
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        They still won't beat the Magic, and Mac we can bet it.
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