Amare to the cavs??? O come on

TEViN-BRADFORD · 02-13-10, 11:17 PM

wait...its official?

onlooker · 02-13-10, 11:20 PM

They don't have to give up JJ, Big Z or anyone? I was thinking Antawn Jamison would be a good fit with the Cavs.

Aurelius · 02-13-10, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by TEViN-BRADFORD

wait...its official?

no but could happen

Source: Cavs not alone in bid for Stoudemire

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4911348

The Cavaliers have been in touch for weeks with the Suns about a deal that would bring Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, but several other teams' chances of landing the forward are just as good, a source said.

onlooker · 02-13-10, 11:57 PM

So JJ and a 1st rounder.

THEGREAT30 · 02-14-10, 12:03 AM

People buy championships these days

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:31 AM

There's nothing being bought here. The trade would most like be JJ Hickson, Wally Szczerbiak, and a draft pick. This would be a cap-clearing room mainly for Phoenix. Amare has a larger contract than he deserves and he has been causing locker room troubles for them. Also, they have always wanted JJ Hickson who has shown glimpse of potential. Furthermore, Amare has a player option for next year and could opt out of his contract, leaving the Suns with nothing in exchange. They would at least get young talent with this deal.

I've heard from sources close to the Cavs that the Suns are ready to go ahead with this deal, but it is the Cavs who are hesitating. Cleveland's chemistry right now is off the charts and they aren't sure if they want to tinker with it. Also, JJ has had some great games lately and has a MUCH lower price tag than Amare. If Boston had pulled off the Butler and Jamison deal I think the Cavs would have pulled the trigger on this, but I'm not so sure now.

Let's be honest, this is nothing like how Boston got handed KG by McHale or like how LA got handed Gasol.

mkasad23 · 02-14-10, 01:33 AM

amare doesnt approve playing on the same team as shaq lol he couldnt stand shaq being in his way in phoenix

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by mkasad23

amare doesnt approve playing on the same team as shaq lol he couldnt stand shaq being in his way in phoenix

It would be a very different situation in Cleveland. In Phoenix they both wanted to get the majority of the touches, but neither expects that in Cleveland. The team is very clearly Lebron's and he has a way of making everyone around him happy with being strong role players. Amare's numbers will plummet if he goes to Cleveland regardless of how well he plays simply because he won't have the artificial inflation of the Suns anymore.

Also, if Amare does come to Cleveland I expect to see him play a lot with Z on the court instead of Shaq, as Z is more of a mid-range offensive player.

As a Cavs fan I'm not sure how much I like this potential trade, but apparently Lebron has signed off on it. He's also signed off on Jamison, but not Troy Murphy.

jsmithj88 · 02-14-10, 01:37 AM

i dont understand this trade at all
jamison looks to be the better fit

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by jsmithj88

i dont understand this trade at all
jamison looks to be the better fit

Of course he is, but the Wizards are asking a ridiculous price for him for a few reasons. First, Jamison has requested to be traded behind the scenes, but the Wizards would love to keep him because he is the only model citizen they have and he's a great face for a franchise. Second, the Wizards still think Cleveland is their big rival (don't both teams have to win a few times to have a rivalry?) and are asking a lot to spite Cleveland. Cleveland isn't desperate enough to fall for this, so they have to explore other options. Even further, the Cavs are worried that the Wizards would not honor a verbal agreement to waive Z, again to spite the Cavs.

That being said, I would much rather get Amare than Troy Murphy.

Pensinger1 · 02-14-10, 01:48 AM

that would be gay.

THEGREAT30 · 02-14-10, 01:49 AM

Everyone wants to be the Yankees buying championships these days

williams22 · 02-14-10, 11:46 AM

Just listened to an interview with Cavs beat writer Brian Windhorst who says this deal will likely be finalized on Monday. It would most likely be JJ Hickson and Z for Amare, with the expectation that the Suns will waive Z who can then resign with the Cavs after 30 days.

Rumor has it Lebron and Amare have been hanging out a lot this weekend and both are excited. There have already been talks about a contract extension for Amare, which is basically a confirmation that Lebron will be staying in Cleveland. There's no way the Cavs bring Amare and his contract in without some assurance that it will help Lebron stay.

kahnner · 02-14-10, 11:58 AM

Who cares if this helps them win a championship, thats what you are trying to do!
Also this doesn't mean they will win, amare has played in the run and gun offense in phoenix where his stats are really inflated! Not saying he's not a great player, but it will be interesting to see how he does in a slower paced offense.
Bringing in a guy like this could also mess up the chemistry, like williams22 said! Clev. Is playing great basketball right now. I mean you have to make the trade if your cleveland, but don't give cleveland the championship yet!

lakerboy · 02-14-10, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by THEGREAT30

Everyone wants to be the Yankees buying championships these days

Jeter and Rivera werent bought and they wouldnt have won anything without those 2

williams22 · 02-14-10, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by kahnner

Who cares if this helps them win a championship, thats what you are trying to do!
Also this doesn't mean they will win, amare has played in the run and gun offense in phoenix where his stats are really inflated! Not saying he's not a great player, but it will be interesting to see how he does in a slower paced offense.
Bringing in a guy like this could also mess up the chemistry, like williams22 said! Clev. Is playing great basketball right now. I mean you have to make the trade if your cleveland, but don't give cleveland the championship yet!

If this deal promises to keep Lebron in Cleveland it's a no-brainer for the Cavs. Rumor has it Cleveland is just waiting for the official OK from Phoenix now.

HCBoone · 02-14-10, 12:39 PM

It would be stupid to throw away JJ. Hope this doesn't happen.

squintz4 · 02-14-10, 12:59 PM

I agree with williams, this is how you get Lebron to stay in Cleveland.

brandonlang · 02-14-10, 01:21 PM

cavs

mlb · 02-14-10, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

Jeter and Rivera werent bought and they wouldnt have won anything without those 2

Probably wouldn't have won it though without all the new pieces as well... Burnett, CC, A-Rod, Tex. That's a lot of coinage

Noles506 · 02-14-10, 01:41 PM

Trading Hickson and a first round pick for Amare....well first off, how would that work? One guy makes what? 2 million or less, and Amare is in the 15-17 million dollar category.....They would have to throw in Big Z to even make it work....Why would Phoenix want him for a half a season? And a late pick? why???? lol

You have Big Z @ 11.5 million
Mo Williams @ 9 Million
Varejao @ almost 7

A combination of these guys would have to be dealt as well, just to make it work....I mean you have Lebron & Shaq @ 15 & 20 million...but LBJ is going no where & Phoenix isn't gonna trade for Shaq again!

Jamison & Iglauskas would be a good swap, the salaries match up...probably have to be another player involved on the Cle side.

BillyCostigan · 02-14-10, 01:41 PM

Cavs are on fire right now. Adding Amare could make them the team to beat.

Noles506 · 02-14-10, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by mlb

Probably wouldn't have won it though without all the new pieces as well... Burnett, CC, A-Rod, Tex. That's a lot of coinage

If you add up just those players salaries alone.....its more than what 16 teams spend on there entire payroll....

Noles506 · 02-14-10, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by BillyCostigan

Cavs are on fire right now. Adding Amare could make them the team to beat.

like i said in my post, how would they do it?

lakerboy · 02-14-10, 01:55 PM

Ilgauskas looks like a concentration camp guard.

SamsonSharp · 02-14-10, 02:08 PM

Williams are you from Cleveland? J/w because I noticed your in every in every single thread that mentions either lebron or the cavs

Tsoprano · 02-14-10, 02:09 PM

Cavs will not win it all, even with Amara

eidolon · 02-14-10, 02:13 PM

I think Amare will work great with Lebron. But the trade is so late in the season that I'm not sure if it is worth messing with the chemistry.

ttwarrior1 · 02-14-10, 02:14 PM

amare will be a free agent after the season, shaq, amare, lebron will all be leaving cleveland with a champiionship. If they can win it without amare, they will definetly win with him. The dude is a bad ass

rm18 · 02-14-10, 02:14 PM

Amare really is not that good of a player but would help them get a little better. Both Murphy and Jamison would help more.

spargament · 02-14-10, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by williams22

Of course he is, but the Wizards are asking a ridiculous price for him for a few reasons. First, Jamison has requested to be traded behind the scenes, but the Wizards would love to keep him because he is the only model citizen they have and he's a great face for a franchise. Second, the Wizards still think Cleveland is their big rival (don't both teams have to win a few times to have a rivalry?) and are asking a lot to spite Cleveland. Cleveland isn't desperate enough to fall for this, so they have to explore other options. Even further, the Cavs are worried that the Wizards would not honor a verbal agreement to waive Z, again to spite the Cavs. That being said, I would much rather get Amare than Troy Murphy.

cavs fans are so funny to me. The wizards are asking too much for a double double machine who is a veteran leader that fits perfectly for the cavs? A player in JJ hickson who has a couple decent games and is now the next messiah at PF and a shitty first round pick thats gonna be within the last 5? Jamisons contract size and length isn't nearly bad enough to make those demands unreasonable. The cavs need to win a title this season to make sure for a fact that they keep LeBron, so if that means giving up a player that may one day be a top 15 pf and a low draft pick, so be it.

pats3peat · 02-14-10, 02:50 PM

zydrunas is gonna go too walterwiliams

pats3peat · 02-14-10, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by spargament

cavs fans are so funny to me. The wizards are asking too much for a double double machine who is a veteran leader that fits perfectly for the cavs? A player in JJ hickson who has a couple decent games and is now the next messiah at PF and a shitty first round pick thats gonna be within the last 5? Jamisons contract size and length isn't nearly bad enough to make those demands unreasonable. The cavs need to win a title this season to make sure for a fact that they keep LeBron, so if that means giving up a player that may one day be a top 15 pf and a low draft pick, so be it.

werd to this, good post

jjgold · 02-14-10, 03:19 PM

Amare is more of a sellfish player and Lebron is the man in Cleve, he might kill the chemistry of the team.