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  • TGoat
    Restricted User
    • 08-07-09
    • 612

    #1
    TGoat's Total Plays
    These are system plays for totals only. Also included are my projected lines, the difference between my line and the official line, and the percentage level of confidence. In other words, going back since the system started, these are the historic winning percentages of the individual plays according to my algorithms.

    Obviously, the greater the disparity between the official line and the projected line the higher the win percentage. Or so it's been thus far.

    I'm going to be considering plays where my line and the bookies line differ by 4 points or more. Everything else will be a pass, even though all differences however tiny have shown a small profit (54%) over 204 games.

    I'll try to post as close to post time as possible, because this would represent when I make my actual bets. Since I live in Las Vegas and bet here, usually around game time, that's when I'll (try) to post my plays. But there will be times when I post early because of time constraints. Either way, early or late, I don't think the results will be affected greatly one way or the other. But whenever I do post them, that will be the line I go by to judge the results.

    I'll be using the Pinnacle lines from SBR Odds. [I had a sports book manger tell me that they often use BetCris or Pinny lines, and I've found the that the sports books lines here closely resemble the Pinny lines, although late money will shift the closing lines somewhat differently at times.]

    Since I recommended not using multiple units for the various plays (even though the evidence strongly suggests some sort of increased unit multiple for the higher percentage plays) for now each play will be one unit. [I'm going to work on an algorithm for various unit sizes and it will probably be some sort of fractional unit increase. Ex: 1 unit, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2.0, 2.25, 2.5, 3.0, etc. But that will come later. After 50 or so games I'll start backtesting that method.]

    12/11/09 11 Games 7 Plays

    [The first total is the official line and the second total is my projected line. The number after that is the difference between the two. In the future I may just post screen shots of my spread sheet--attached--it's easier. The problem is that it's somewhat difficult to see. If anyone can suggest a way to make it bigger or more clear that would be appreciated.]

    New Jersey/Indiana 198, 187, 11.4 (under) 61%
    Houston/Philadelphia 193.5, 187, 6.0 (under) 59%
    Golden State/Chicago 213.5, 192, 21.1 (under) 73%
    Portland/Cleveland 187, 199, 12.1 (over) 61%
    New York/New Orleans 213.5, 209, 4.4 (under) 57%
    Orlando/Phoenix 212.5, 225, 12.1 (over) 61%
    Atlanta/Toronto 209, 193, 15.7 (under) 65%
  • bustabook
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-14-09
    • 737

    #2
    TGoat, glad to see you started a thread up... im looking foward to watching this.

    Also, on the NBA Handicapping page (where it lists the threads).. there is a little icon that shows that there are attachments to this post. if you click on the little attachment link you can enlarge your picture and get a closer look.

    hope this helps.
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    • sonnybaby
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-04-09
      • 9770

      #3
      good looks keep it up you and busta cant go wrong props guys
      LETS GET IT
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      • bustabook
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 11-14-09
        • 737

        #4
        really nice night tonight tgoat.. one thing, though... that New Orleans game total is awfully high, where do you get your lines from?
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        • lyon804
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 11-02-09
          • 6526

          #5
          Nice night TGoat. Had a few of those myself by handicapping.
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          • TGoat
            Restricted User
            • 08-07-09
            • 612

            #6
            Originally posted by bustabook
            really nice night tonight tgoat.. one thing, though... that New Orleans game total is awfully high, where do you get your lines from?
            The New Orleans total is a typo. New Orleans is right next to Golden State on my spread sheet and the GS line is 213.5. I must have just copied down the same line twice. The correct line should be 206.5~ (or within a point or two.) Either way it makes the play an over rather than under and a win.

            I'm going to correct it and count it as a win, because if I went to bet the game I would realize my mistake immediately and adjust accordingly. Also, if it had gone against me I would have made that adjustment as well.

            This happened several times in my other thread and I always made the proper adjustment--and it usually went against me.

            Oh, I just noticed that it would be a non play because my projection was 209 and the total was 206.5. The difference is less than four so I'll count it as a non play.
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            • lyon804
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-02-09
              • 6526

              #7
              TGoat I got you for 6-0-1 on the nite already counting the majic game as a win. You pushed the Indiana/Nets game. However, I got that one too as a winner because I got a better number @199. All in all your system is validated Sir. I didn't see this post earlier, but I went 4-1 with my totals tonite. I am not a system player, but pure totals handicapper. The loss I had was Newyork/Neworleans under 207 1/2. Lost by 1 1/2. Your system with a little line shopping basically was a 7 team parlay.


              Question? Now can I just quit handicapping NBA totals for 4 hours a day and follow your system??

              Either way.. Super Work.
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              • bustabook
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 11-14-09
                • 737

                #8
                even with the no play... still an amazing night.
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                • lcf
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 11-24-09
                  • 367

                  #9
                  looking forward for the picks tomorrow! great results, congratulations!
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                  • TGoat
                    Restricted User
                    • 08-07-09
                    • 612

                    #10
                    Results 12/11/09

                    New Jersey/Indiana 198, 187, 11.4 (under) 61% (
                    PUSH)
                    Houston/Philadelphia 193.5, 187, 6.0 (under) 59% (
                    WIN)
                    Golden State/Chicago 213.5, 192, 21.1 (under) 73% (
                    WIN)
                    Portland/Cleveland 187, 199, 12.1 (over) 61% (
                    WIN)
                    [
                    New York/New Orleans 206.5, 209, 2.6--corrected line--NON-PLAY]
                    Orlando/Phoenix 212.5, 225, 12.1 (over) 61% (
                    LOSS)
                    Atlanta/Toronto 209, 193, 15.7 (under) 65%(
                    WIN)

                    4-1-1 (80%) +2.64 Units
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                    • WhatAboutMeBitch
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-02-09
                      • 1294

                      #11
                      very good job tonight
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                      • TGoat
                        Restricted User
                        • 08-07-09
                        • 612

                        #12
                        Originally posted by lyon804
                        Question? Now can I just quit handicapping NBA totals for 4 hours a day and follow your system??
                        No. Never quit your day job.
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                        • sonnybaby
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 12-04-09
                          • 9770

                          #13
                          whats the picks for tonight lines are moving
                          LETS GET IT
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                          • lcf
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 11-24-09
                            • 367

                            #14
                            TGoat, do you have a blog??
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                            • TGoat
                              Restricted User
                              • 08-07-09
                              • 612

                              #15
                              In the following screen shots I'm just playing around with the numbers trying to exploit a way to maximize profit with the higher percentage plays. I would not be messing around with this were it not for the fact that there is a definite progression in win rate when the projected line is farther from the official line (difference).

                              Because of those differences, I still think some sort of increased unit wagering formula should be implemented, but I've run into problems doing that in the past. It's really a lot more tricky than it looks, and a lot of people get into trouble (including myself) trying to differentiate between unit sizes with their various plays. So for now I'm still sticking with the one play=1 unit.

                              [Trust me. Nothing is more sickening than losing a 3-unit play.]

                              But that doesn't mean I can't experiment. What follows is the scheme that I'm using for betting with the SBR Sports Book. Of course the delineations are arbitrary, but it looks pretty good on the back-test (what doesn't?). I'm playing around with some other configurations as well.

                              In the next post is a screen shot of a unit calculator that is comparing all plays betting one unit with the plays broken down 1, 2 and 3 units.

                              [I couldn't figure out a way to put both screen shots in one post without you having to click on them to view. Is there a way?]

                              All plays at 1 unit would be +76.52 units. WRONG! Correct answer is +14.27

                              All plays divided between 1,2 and 3 units would total +131.69 units. WRONG! Correct answer is +33.53
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                              • TGoat
                                Restricted User
                                • 08-07-09
                                • 612

                                #16
                                Screen shot of Unit Calculator.
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                                • TGoat
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 08-07-09
                                  • 612

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by lcf
                                  TGoat, do you have a blog??
                                  No.
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                                  • sonnybaby
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 12-04-09
                                    • 9770

                                    #18
                                    are your picks ready?
                                    LETS GET IT
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                                    • TGoat
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 08-07-09
                                      • 612

                                      #19
                                      12/12/09

                                      8 games 7 plays

                                      ind/wash 207, 194, 12.9 62% (under)
                                      gs/det 205.5, 197, 8.4 60% (under)
                                      bos/chi 186.5, 191, 4 58% (over)
                                      char/dal 189, 185, 3.8 54% (non-play)
                                      port/mil 190.5, 195, 4.8 58% (over)
                                      pho/den 224.5, 210, 14.2 65% (under)
                                      lake/utah 202, 211, 9.2 62% (over)
                                      min/sac 205, 197, 8.1 60% (under)

                                      [Hopefully today there are no typos.]
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                                      • og4667
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-17-09
                                        • 2438

                                        #20
                                        gl today. get that paper
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                                        • bustabook
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 11-14-09
                                          • 737

                                          #21
                                          damnit tgoat... why do your plays have to be different than mine? LOL, GL.
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                                          • lyon804
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 11-02-09
                                            • 6526

                                            #22
                                            T-Goat, again you and I are in agreement on many games tonite. As I mentioned yesteday I am a NBA totals player and have arrived at the same conclusion by handicapping. The only place I differ is on pho/den.. I like the over there. I will not play the over in that game though because I have respect for your system. No bet for me on that game now. Let's cash these T-goat!
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                                            • Jerm3462
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-09-09
                                              • 4454

                                              #23
                                              I bet all my SBR points on your system tonight Tgoat!
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                                              • bustabook
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 11-14-09
                                                • 737

                                                #24
                                                indiana/washington scored 74 points in the first quarter... LOL

                                                btw, i also had the under.. jesus.
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                                                • Bumble Bee
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 10-26-09
                                                  • 183

                                                  #25
                                                  You never know with Indiana and Washington, they could both disappear on offense and still get you guys the under. Games like this I usually have the over and think I'm sitting pretty at the half then they come out and get hit a shot. BOL I'm on the Bucks/Blazers Over
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                                                  • Bumble Bee
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 10-26-09
                                                    • 183

                                                    #26
                                                    4 points in 3 minutes. You never know
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                                                    • lcf
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 11-24-09
                                                      • 367

                                                      #27
                                                      I hope they stop scoring
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                                                      • Jerm3462
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-09-09
                                                        • 4454

                                                        #28
                                                        We got crushed on that 1st game
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                                                        • lcf
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 11-24-09
                                                          • 367

                                                          #29
                                                          We will get back
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                                                          • Bumble Bee
                                                            SBR High Roller
                                                            • 10-26-09
                                                            • 183

                                                            #30
                                                            Thank you OVERTIME in Por/Mil game. That saved me!
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                                                            • lcf
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 11-24-09
                                                              • 367

                                                              #31
                                                              We were lucky man... I loved it!
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                                                              • lyon804
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 11-02-09
                                                                • 6526

                                                                #32
                                                                Mixed bad tonite T-Goat. Keep it going. When it runs bad in the future at times, and it will don't get discouraged. Numbers don't lie. I believe in what you are doing. I spend about 4 hours a day capping totals and we have been almost 100% in agreement since you started posting this. I love that I can check what somebody else has. The reason I say don't get discouraged is because I know highly intelligent people like you sometimes don't buy into what you are doing. My father has created many successful systems and he talks himself out of playing it. Me, I just do old fashioned grind handicapping and intuition because I am not very computer savy.


                                                                Do this for me TGoat if you can... back test your system to see what the win% is when your system tells you to play a under vs over. I won't hardly play an over. I have way more success on my under betting than over betting. If my analysis leads me to think over I usually don't play it. I know you are basing your plays on units and putting more weight to those that give you a better win%, but I am curious what your win% is with this system based on unders and what it is on overs. Just curious.

                                                                Have a nice nite.
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                                                                • lcf
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 11-24-09
                                                                  • 367

                                                                  #33
                                                                  ind/wash 207, 194, 12.9 62% (under) --> 227, loss

                                                                  gs/det 205.5, 197, 8.4 60% (under) --> 199, win

                                                                  bos/chi 186.5, 191, 4 58% (over) --> 186, loss

                                                                  char/dal 189, 185, 3.8 54% (non-play) --> 195

                                                                  port/mil 190.5, 195, 4.8 58% (over) --> 209, win (two OTs)

                                                                  pho/den 224.5, 210, 14.2 65% (under) --> 204, win

                                                                  lake/utah 202, 211, 9.2 62% (over) --> 196, loss

                                                                  min/sac 205, 197, 8.1 60% (under) --> 220, loss

                                                                  4 losses
                                                                  3 wins

                                                                  Tomorrow will be a better day!
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                                                                  • TGoat
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 08-07-09
                                                                    • 612

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by TGoat
                                                                    12/12/09

                                                                    8 games 7 plays

                                                                    ind/wash 207, 194, 12.9 62% (under) (LOSS)
                                                                    gs/det 205.5, 197, 8.4 60% (under) (WIN)
                                                                    bos/chi 186.5, 191, 4 58% (over) (LOSS)
                                                                    char/dal 189, 185, 3.8 54% (non-play)
                                                                    port/mil 190.5, 195, 4.8 58% (over) (WIN)
                                                                    pho/den 224.5, 210, 14.2 65% (under) (WIN)
                                                                    lake/utah 202, 211, 9.2 62% (over) (LOSS)
                                                                    min/sac 205, 197, 8.1 60% (under) (LOSS)
                                                                    3 - 4 (43%) -1.27 Units

                                                                    7 - 5 (58%) +1.36 Units
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                                                                    • TGoat
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 08-07-09
                                                                      • 612

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by lyon804
                                                                      Do this for me TGoat if you can... back test your system to see what the win% is when your system tells you to play a under vs over.
                                                                      Overall predictions and wins:

                                                                      107 Over (58 Wins)
                                                                      116 Under (61 Wins)
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