Top-10 chase betting system.

[jordan_gt_99]

Ok guys you can read this http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basket...tem-plays.html

to get a little background on this.

Here is what I'm doing. I will play only the top-10 teams on each conference (the teams I play will change as the standings change). I will start each series to win 1 unit at -110 and double up (Martingale)for up to 3 games. As soon as I get a win or I lose 3 games in a row ATS with the same team, the system starts again in game A.

Plays for 1/18:

Bet A:
Phoenix -3.5 1 unit

Bet A:
Miami -1.5 1 unit

NOTE: I am only doing this to see if it works, please do not put any money on the plays as I am not betting them either.

[-*MeMpHiS*-]

Phoenix yes but Miami is @ the 3rd game of their away series why would you play them? Assuming your starting tomorrow?

[LT Profits]

Don't do it. ALL Martingale systems fail in the long run, there are no exceptions!

[Bluehorseshoe]

Why is it that everyone in these Morrison threads "promoting it" either just joined up in December or January?????


Seems kind of shady.

[NBA Hero]

get the rules right. wheres the point buying?

[DevilDog]

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Don't do it. ALL Martingale systems fail in the long run, there are no exceptions!

Uhhhhh, you are totally incorrect guy. They do NOT all fail in the long run.

The "Morrison" system has been proven and tested for a LONG LONG TIME. I know of guys that used a system like this (could have been the exact same system) probably 20 years ago.

I have been using this system since LAST YEAR and it has not lost once that I can remember! NOT ONE SINGLE TIME and that is probably 70 plays!

There may have been a loss with it and I happened to not play the game, but I don't believe I have lost yet with it.

What so many here don't like is that fact that a system so simple like this can kick their ass with very little time invested...while they spend hours upon hours yapping about "do you like this pick? What do you think of this team" and crap like that.

Just follow the system...it will have some losses... but it wins at such a high percentage that those losses can then be redirected back onto winning chases.

I highly encourage guys to learn to use chase systems. The biggest problem with guys that use chase systems is that when they get to that third (in the case of the Morrison system) chase they panic a little and don't follow through.

Or...they look at a game and just can't get themselves to make the wager because they don't think a team can get it done. Washington coming up this week is a chase like that. Guys will NOT bet Washington because of how bad they are and the trip they are taking. Washington might not be a play anyway because of their road record, but even if they are a play guys will get off of them.

Or...like last week all the "smart" guys were all over San Antonio to beat Orlando and cover the -2.5. Well many guys, me included, got swayed by the so called "smart" guys and got off of Orlando and that cost us some money in doing so. Of course you probably didn't need a system to bet Orlando with the way they have been playing!

Chase systems work and this EAST-WEST system is a great system that is very easy to figure out. In fact, at the beginning of the season you already know all of the potential plays for the whole year. Then you just use a couple of the filters when you get time to make the plays.

Pretty simple.

[brooks85]

Ya you need to buy points tho. But, I'll be interested in following it.

[DevilDog]

Why is it that everyone in these Morrison threads "promoting it" either just joined up in December or January?????


Seems kind of shady.

Well I have only been here since December and I have promoted this quite a bit.....because it works! I am not sure what is shady about this.

I don't think anyone is charging anyone for the picks. All I know is that guys are winning and doing well with it and many guys have been using this system for a long time.

Finally, this board is dominated by a few guys that like to put together mile long threads every day. Good for them...there are two or three sharp guys on those threads...but they are NOT the be all end all of handicapping and sports wagering.

There are many ways to make money gambling and JohnMorr, with the help of me and a few others, is showing people here. So if you want to join a thread that has 500 post to it day in and day out and does ok....then great...you know where to go.

Some of us just see idiotic post by guys and want to correct them. The system works, it has been proven, and new guys come to this board all the time.

And on another note...just because a guy comes here recently does NOT mean they are new to sports wagering. I have been wagering on sports for 35 years, which is longer than many here have been alive!

[jordan_gt_99]

get the rules right. wheres the point buying?

This is not Morrison's system. In this system you don't buy points and you plays the top 10 teams from each conference in a 3 game series, regardless of wether they are home or away. As soon as you get a win you start a new series. If the team drops 3 in a row, you start the series again.

If 2 top-10 teams are playing each other then a team that is on play "C" will take priority over one on play "B", and obviously one on play "B" takes priority over one on play "A".

If they are both on the same play then there is no play on that game and a new series will be started on both of their next games.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Well I have only been here since December and I have promoted this quite a bit.....because it works! I am not sure what is shady about this.

You're not sure what's shady about a ton of newbie posters coming out of the wood work praising some system??

Guys with 5 posts each all jumping into these same particular threads telling us this is the end all, be all system. None of them even bother getting an avatar. That's some coincidence.

[DevilDog]

LOL! Well you keep doubting buddy while the rest of us are cleaning up!! God, you can take a horse to water but ya can't make'm drink!! LMAO!

I know SERIOUS major players that NEVER post here unless they see something that they just have to say something about. Who knows, maybe some of these guys are those guys.

But you keep doubting all ya want.

[Bluehorseshoe]

LOL! Well you keep doubting buddy while the rest of us are cleaning up!! God, you can take a horse to water but ya can't make'm drink!! LMAO!

I know SERIOUS major players that NEVER post here unless they see something that they just have to say something about. Who knows, maybe some of these guys are those guys.

But you keep doubting all ya want.

Ok, I will.


Knew this was just a matter of time.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/1419021-post24.html

[LT Profits]

No matter how you spin it, whether you buy points or whether you play the top 10 teams, it does not matter. ALL Martingale systems fail. It doesn't matter if this systen hits 70 straight chases, because all it would take is like six losing three-game losing streaks to wipe out those profits.

Not to mention the fact that the previous game has nothing to do with the next game, so doubling your bet size on a game that should have an idential edge as the previous game is simply terrible money management.

[jordan_gt_99]

Results: 2-0 +2

YTD:
Bet A: 2-0 +2
Bet B: 0-0
Bet C: 0-0

For Monday we have the following plays, all are bet A.

Chicago +2.5
Atlanta -5.5
San Antonio -3.5
Minnesota -5
New Orleans -8.5
Detroit no line yet

All plays are to win 1 unit.

[secret007]

If i am correct, so far the system has been working really well because the winning percentage is like 65% or more..

I think that most systems will turn into profit when the winning percentage is above 60%...

I would like to see a period where the winning percentage is only 40% or less and see whether this sytem can survive in this kind of situation...

I used to be a big fans of "MARTINGLE" system but i am no longer .. I dont think I need to tell you the reason why..

So far, it has been working pretty well and I have to congratulate those who have been winning by using this system.. but be careful, I remind you..

[DevilDog]

This system is aggressive because it is taking ALL road trips that are three games or longer. So you are going to get more plays. If you are going to go with a LOT of plays like this you need to lower the starting amount you are betting with.

Guys get into problem with Martingale systems because they start out betting far too much! Do not start out with more than 1% of your bankroll and if you are going to go with this system go down to 1/2% of your bankroll. That will be a pretty safe way to do it.

What this board, along with every other board I have been on, needs is guys talking more about money management. To read some of the post that happen every day on this board is frightening. Guys are so concerned with picking winners that they just don't understand you can make a lot of money hitting only 33% of your bets (and with some systems less) with a good chase system and good money management.

I will keep on preaching this till I die...you do NOT need to hit a high percentage of winners and spend hours handicapping games to make a lot of money wagering. If you want to spend a lot of time handicapping games and you enjoy it....GREAT! But you don't need to.

It is funny to see guys hate systems like this that work and are so easy to use! They just can't stand the fact that a guy can do a quick look at the schedules...apply some filters...and kick ass on many of the guys that spend hours looking at games and BEGGING for others here to help them with winners.

[LT Profits]

Guys get into problem with Martingale systems because they start out betting far too much!

Wrong, the problem is that after a loss, you are betting double the previous amount on an event that is NOT twice as likely to win as the previous one. The % of bankroll you bet per game should not vary THAT much from game to game.

As I have said several times, if the winning percentage of this method is so good on a game-to-game basis, then just apply Kelly to each individual game. Also remember that generally speaking, the fact that a team lost its prevous game does not affect its chances of winning its next game by that much.

[DevilDog]

You just do NOT get it. That is all I can really say. The results will prove you to be wrong. End of me arguing with you, YOU do what lifts YOUR skirt....I, and others, will do what is working and has worked.

[007Fatty]

so far today it is deff not working.. hah good thing i didnt bet:P

[jordan_gt_99]

Results: 2-0 +2

YTD:
Bet A: 2-0 +2
Bet B: 0-0
Bet C: 0-0

For Monday we have the following plays, all are bet A.

Chicago +2.5
Atlanta -5.5
San Antonio -3.5
Minnesota -5
New Orleans -8.5
Detroit no line yet

All plays are to win 1 unit.

Results today: 2-4 -2.4

YTD:
Bet A: 4-4 -0.4
Bet B: 0-0
Bet C: 0-0

For Tuesday we have the following plays:

San Antonio -7.5 (Bet B, to win 2.1 units)
Denver -9.5

Chicago and Atlanta are both top-10 teams so their series will end with game A as a loss. Next time there is a play on either of them it will be a bet A.

[El Sol]

You just do NOT get it. That is all I can really say. The results will prove you to be wrong. End of me arguing with you, YOU do what lifts YOUR skirt....I, and others, will do what is working and has worked.

You're obviously new to the game, you will never convince me other wise. Just one word of advice here, go ahead and try it out, and when the well inevitably runs dry, ask yourself if you are gambling or investing. Because In the end, the only road to success is grinding it out the old fashion way in which I have no doubt you'll eventually have to learn if you want to survive in this business.

[larryacraig]

Can you elaborate on "Kelly"?

Wrong, the problem is that after a loss, you are betting double the previous amount on an event that is NOT twice as likely to win as the previous one. The % of bankroll you bet per game should not vary THAT much from game to game.

As I have said several times, if the winning percentage of this method is so good on a game-to-game basis, then just apply Kelly to each individual game. Also remember that generally speaking, the fact that a team lost its prevous game does not affect its chances of winning its next game by that much.

Hey LT...if you have the time can you elaborate on "Kelly"?

Thanks

[DevilDog]

Been doing this a long time and can honestly say I have won plenty in the long run. But again, I will not argue this point.

[jayc88]

top ten systems to donate your money quickly to the books

[pats3peat]

this is the worst thread ever. ban devildog please

[VVET]

Ok guys you can read this http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basket...tem-plays.html

to get a little background on this.

Here is what I'm doing. I will play only the top-10 teams on each conference (the teams I play will change as the standings change). I will start each series to win 1 unit at -110 and double up (Martingale)for up to 3 games. As soon as I get a win or I lose 3 games in a row ATS with the same team, the system starts again in game A.

Plays for 1/18:

Bet A:
Phoenix -3.5 1 unit

Bet A:
Miami -1.5 1 unit

NOTE: I am only doing this to see if it works, please do not put any money on the plays as I am not betting them either.

The man says in his first post that he is only trying it out and asks us, practically begs us, not to lay any cash down. Lets keep an eye as see how things go. I for one, know many, if not all the "systems" that are discussed here and everyplace else are not new or not "just recently invented". They are all variations on old systems, many of which were proven systems to get us above the 55% - 60% magic line.

My two cents, but at least the guy is sharing something that might, just might, help all of us.

[LT Profits]

Not criticizing how his plays are selected, just criticizing doubling up after a loss, which is the WORST advice imaginable.

[LT Profits]

Hey LT...if you have the time can you elaborate on "Kelly"?

Thanks

http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicapper-think-tank/29009-expected-value-vs-expected-growth-kelly-criterion-part-i.html#post250260

[carrenzo]

Do what U wanta do!

Uhhhhh, you are totally incorrect guy. They do NOT all fail in the long run.

The "Morrison" system has been proven and tested for a LONG LONG TIME. I know of guys that used a system like this (could have been the exact same system) probably 20 years ago.

I have been using this system since LAST YEAR and it has not lost once that I can remember! NOT ONE SINGLE TIME and that is probably 70 plays!

There may have been a loss with it and I happened to not play the game, but I don't believe I have lost yet with it.

What so many here don't like is that fact that a system so simple like this can kick their ass with very little time invested...while they spend hours upon hours yapping about "do you like this pick? What do you think of this team" and crap like that.

Just follow the system...it will have some losses... but it wins at such a high percentage that those losses can then be redirected back onto winning chases.

I highly encourage guys to learn to use chase systems. The biggest problem with guys that use chase systems is that when they get to that third (in the case of the Morrison system) chase they panic a little and don't follow through.

Or...they look at a game and just can't get themselves to make the wager because they don't think a team can get it done. Washington coming up this week is a chase like that. Guys will NOT bet Washington because of how bad they are and the trip they are taking. Washington might not be a play anyway because of their road record, but even if they are a play guys will get off of them.

Or...like last week all the "smart" guys were all over San Antonio to beat Orlando and cover the -2.5. Well many guys, me included, got swayed by the so called "smart" guys and got off of Orlando and that cost us some money in doing so. Of course you probably didn't need a system to bet Orlando with the way they have been playing!

Chase systems work and this EAST-WEST system is a great system that is very easy to figure out. In fact, at the beginning of the season you already know all of the potential plays for the whole year. Then you just use a couple of the filters when you get time to make the plays.

Pretty simple.

Do your thang and prove too us it works. I would like to see it work!

[G's pks]

Jordon 99 gt pks For Monday we have the following plays, all are bet A.

Chicago +2.5 LOSS
Atlanta -5.5 LOSS
San Antonio -3.5 LOSS
Minnesota -5 Won
New Orleans -8.5 LOSS
Detroit no line ever posted but did win..

[B1GER1C828]

Most people with under 200 posts are new, so they just follow systems because they still believe systems work. All systems fail and martingale is the king of that. Martingale is easily the worst system of betting to come by and it iwll make you broke quickest. DON'T PLAY SYSTEMS! IF YOU DO, UR NOT A GOOD HANDICAPPER AND WILL LOSE LONG TERM

[MicGan]

Results today: 2-4 -2.4

YTD:
Bet A: 4-4 -0.4
Bet B: 0-0
Bet C: 0-0

For Tuesday we have the following plays:

San Antonio No Line yet (Bet B, to win 2.1 units)
Denver -9.5

Chicago and Atlanta are both top-10 teams so their series will end with game A as a loss. Next time there is a play on either of them it will be a bet A.

Can you guys give him a break before criticize his effort? I'm following you, please continue make your statement. I like to see how this is going to work. It certainly havent work for me, but good luck.... I'm watching closely.

[LT Profits]

Most people with under 200 posts are new, so they just follow systems because they still believe systems work. All systems fail and martingale is the king of that. Martingale is easily the worst system of betting to come by and it iwll make you broke quickest. DON'T PLAY SYSTEMS! IF YOU DO, UR NOT A GOOD HANDICAPPER AND WILL LOSE LONG TERM

DING DING DING, we have a winner!

[jordan_gt_99]

Results today: 2-0 +3.1

YTD: 6-4 +2.7
Bet A: 5-4 +0.6
Bet B: 1-0 +2.1
Bet C: 0-0


For tomorrow we have:

Detroit -6
Phoenix -5
LAL -16

All are bets A to win 1 unit

[Cassidy]

What about New Orleans as bet B for their last cover loss?