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  • str
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    • 01-12-09
    • 11512

    #10431
    [QUOTE=JBEX;n29865182]
    Originally posted by str

    sure RTC

    thu 4/3
    aqu R6


    terrific Insight on molly's a bullet ..great effort the race before so you know the talent is there ..hopefully her issues can be resolved
    Yeah everyone. This one is a must look hard next out.
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    • str
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 01-12-09
      • 11512

      #10432
      [QUOTE=JBEX;n29865182]
      Originally posted by str

      sure RTC

      thu 4/3
      aqu R6


      terrific Insight on molly's a bullet ..great effort the race before so you know the talent is there ..hopefully her issues can be resolved
      OK. Let's remember to see Remember the Chief next out as well.

      This poor horse was completely unprepared for the break. As soon as the starters gate man was out of the way, he sprang the latch. WTF.!!

      This horse was totally unprepared to break when the starter hit the button. She broke on her left lead, the WRIONG lead, and as far as I could tell without watching the head on, she ran on that left lead all the way. I never saw her switch. Her head was still turned to the left. WHAT ???

      I totally don't understand why the starter did not at least give her a second or two to get herself together.

      This is another MUST watch when she runs back. That was actually a great effort on only one lead the entire race and she is trying to finish !

      Look for a much better effort next out as long as the starter gives her a friggin second or two to get balanced. Jeez.

      ​​​​​If we are doing a must watch or play next out list, you have two prime candidates with these last two.
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      • JBEX
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        • 01-02-12
        • 23003

        #10433
        [QUOTE=str;n29865193]
        Originally posted by JBEX

        OK. Let's remember to see Remember the Chief next out as well.

        This poor horse was completely unprepared for the break. As soon as the starters gate man was out of the way, he sprang the latch. WTF.!!

        This horse was totally unprepared to break when the starter hit the button. She broke on her left lead, the WRIONG lead, and as far as I could tell without watching the head on, she ran on that left lead all the way. I never saw her switch. Her head was still turned to the left. WHAT ???

        I totally don't understand why the starter did not at least give her a second or two to get herself together.

        This is another MUST watch when she runs back. That was actually a great effort on only one lead the entire race and she is trying to finish !

        Look for a much better effort next out as long as the starter gives her a friggin second or two to get balanced. Jeez.

        ​​​​If we are doing a must watch or play next out list, you have two prime candidates with these last two.
        it's really amazing how often these army mules have legit excuses when they run subpar..it's great to know this stuff for follow up plays and to further confirm he is producing solid runners overall even when it's not obvious to the untrained eye ..great job str


        _______

        on a separate note thought you might find this race interesting


        carter stakes at aqu (army mules finale) ..don't really have an opinion but deep solid field

        couple of interesting notes
        ..

        ed allard shipping from laurel with a horse that's only run there in 5 career starts (won 4 of them)

        linda rice has an "8yo" she claimed 4 starts back who ran a career high figure last start




        .​
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        • batt33
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          • 12-23-16
          • 5978

          #10434
          Originally posted by str
          Batt.
          For your horse Straight No Chaser, I don't think the competition really matters that much. Certainly the race setup and his early position is very important. But if he breaths, relaxes, is awaiting rider commands, THAT, is IMO the key to this race and his future. If we see what we saw last time, it will be impressive.

          Good luck Batt. Were all rooting for you.
          Thanks STR! watching him in the walking ring... he looks antsy.... but he has done this in the past.
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          • batt33
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            • 12-23-16
            • 5978

            #10435
            Originally posted by batt33

            Thanks STR! watching him in the walking ring... he looks antsy.... but he has done this in the past.
            well that sucked.....
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            • batt33
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              • 12-23-16
              • 5978

              #10436
              Straight No Chaser Race Recap



              Straight No Chaser failed to fire today after a rough trip in the Dubai Golden Shaheen.

              He stumbled at the start, and that pretty much did him in. Forced to attempt to rate while in between horses, he took tons of kickback and never looked comfortable at all. He continued to drop back while really fighting with the dirt down the backside and into the turn, and at that point was left with an impossible task over a very speed-friendly surface. He made a mild run in the lane and did seem to be moving fine once the field spread out and he wasn’t taking so much kickback.

              We’ll see how he comes back, but at this point it just seems like a race that you draw a line through and move on. You simply can’t have that early trouble against world-class sprinters—especially on that track which is historically kind to speed on World Cup night and which has been notably producing a lot of kickback today. The fact that the winner, who was 65-1 in the U.S. pool, went gate to wire is further evidence that the track made an impact.

              As we’ve mentioned previously, having already locked up a stud deal for Straight No Chaser does take a bit of the sting out of what was no doubt a disappointing outing. We’ll get our champ back to the States, regroup, and get him ready for a productive second half of the season.
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              • JBEX
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                • 01-02-12
                • 23003

                #10437
                Originally posted by JBEX

                like a hill rd (9-2WP) with journalism (6-5W) parlay in the two big prep races ..wood memorial and santa anita derby respectively ..wins forward to a WP bet on journalism in the ky derby ..realize if it hit today and hill rd won the derby would be pretty frustrating so I'll leave open switching the ky derby bet but will definitely be one or both of those two

                so at ml odds hitting today's parlay +870



                generally speaking a WP bet vs a win bet of the same total amount pays about 75% of the win only bet

                so say 10W vs 5WP @ 5-1 odds

                10W =60
                ​5WP = 30 +15 place (about) 45

                so about a $5 profit investing $10 as a consolation ..think that is worth doing vs the straight win bet
                scratched
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                • JBEX
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                  • 01-02-12
                  • 23003

                  #10438
                  by army mule ..sunday

                  oak R12 @ 6:38

                  #9 war mule (2-1)
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                  • str
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                    • 01-12-09
                    • 11512

                    #10439
                    Originally posted by JBEX
                    by army mule ..sunday

                    oak R12 @ 6:38

                    #9 war mule (2-1)
                    This horse looks solid in this race.

                    Very surprised if he isn't right there in here.
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                    • str
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                      • 01-12-09
                      • 11512

                      #10440
                      Originally posted by batt33

                      Thanks STR! watching him in the walking ring... he looks antsy.... but he has done this in the past.
                      I have not seen this race but I don't care for the " antsy" part. I was hopeful that he had matured somewhat away from that especially after his last 2 races. But in his defense, it does not take much , especially at a different venue, to get any horse wound up pre race.

                      Sorry that occurred Batt. Seems it might take an event like this to beat him between the pre race nerves and the bad break.

                      He will be back. I think your trainer has done a super job with him and most likely will off this race as well.
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                      • str
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                        • 01-12-09
                        • 11512

                        #10441
                        [QUOTE=JBEX;n29865201]
                        Originally posted by str

                        it's really amazing how often these army mules have legit excuses when they run subpar..it's great to know this stuff for follow up plays and to further confirm he is producing solid runners overall even when it's not obvious to the untrained eye ..great job str


                        _______

                        on a separate note thought you might find this race interesting


                        carter stakes at aqu (army mules finale) ..don't really have an opinion but deep solid field

                        couple of interesting notes
                        ..

                        ed allard shipping from laurel with a horse that's only run there in 5 career starts (won 4 of them)

                        linda rice has an "8yo" she claimed 4 starts back who ran a career high figure last start




                        .​
                        Thanks for the heads up JBEX.
                        Allard's horse ran great. He has always been a top notch trainer wherever he ran.
                        Let's see if Linda's horse, who ran a respectable 4th wins next out. That was a winning race in a lot of spots and she has always struck me as a trainer that when her horse gives a winning effort but cannot beat that competition, she makes it a point to get that horse in a spot next out where if it repeats that effort, it is good enough to win.
                        Let's see about that next race.
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                        • JBEX
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                          • 01-02-12
                          • 23003

                          #10442
                          [QUOTE=str;n29865480]
                          Originally posted by JBEX

                          Thanks for the heads up JBEX.
                          Allard's horse ran great. He has always been a top notch trainer wherever he ran.
                          Let's see if Linda's horse, who ran a respectable 4th wins next out. That was a winning race in a lot of spots and she has always struck me as a trainer that when her horse gives a winning effort but cannot beat that competition, she makes it a point to get that horse in a spot next out where if it repeats that effort, it is good enough to win.
                          Let's see about that next race.
                          no problem str



                          yeah allard's horse ran great..did all the dirty work and just beat at the wire ..$120k difference in purse ..guess you feel good about the effort but the money part stings especially with all the effort to ship here

                          with linda rice's those races he ran at aqu carry an 80k+ purse and with what they won already with him might try that again .. maybe less chance he's taken for $80k also

                          just saw the race she claimed out of where he just missed was a drop from the bold ruler stakes ..maybe a similiar choice for next race
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                          • JBEX
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                            • 01-02-12
                            • 23003

                            #10443
                            maybe allard will consider met mile on belmont stakes day .. at saratoga again..running style a good fit I would think for the wilson chute and big efforts both times going a mile..another interesting follow .. runs well fresh also
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                            • JBEX
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                              • 01-02-12
                              • 23003

                              #10444
                              Originally posted by JBEX
                              by army mule ..sunday

                              oak R12 @ 6:38

                              #9 war mule (2-1)
                              Originally posted by str

                              This horse looks solid in this race.

                              Very surprised if he isn't right there in here.
                              one more

                              by army mule

                              santa anita 6 @ 6:09

                              #6 ovetta's hobby (7-2)

                              2 race win streak but first time on downhill turf course is tough .. rispoli (journalism jock) will be aboard for first time ..should be in a good state of mind
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                              • str
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                                • 01-12-09
                                • 11512

                                #10445
                                Originally posted by JBEX



                                one more

                                by army mule

                                santa anita 6 @ 6:09

                                #6 ovetta's hobby (7-2)

                                2 race win streak but first time on downhill turf course is tough .. rispoli (journalism jock) will be aboard for first time ..should be in a good state of mind
                                That first run down the hill can be tough to overcome. But I don’t put anything past the AM,s.
                                She has never missed the board and getting better every start. Unreal.
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                                • JBEX
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                                  • 01-02-12
                                  • 23003

                                  #10446
                                  Originally posted by str

                                  That first run down the hill can be tough to overcome. But I don’t put anything past the AM,s.
                                  She has never missed the board and getting better every start. Unreal.
                                  yes I agree and lot's of repect from ml maker imo factoring she's never been on the grass..interesting to me 2 consecutive dirt wins ,second one being on new years day and they give her more than 3 months off and switch surfaces ..resumed workouts fairly quickly since that last race also
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                                  • batt33
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                                    • 12-23-16
                                    • 5978

                                    #10447
                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                    by army mule ..sunday

                                    oak R12 @ 6:38

                                    #9 war mule (2-1)
                                    Originally posted by str

                                    This horse looks solid in this race.

                                    Very surprised if he isn't right there in here.
                                    I'm with you STR!
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                                    • batt33
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                                      • 12-23-16
                                      • 5978

                                      #10448
                                      Originally posted by JBEX



                                      one more

                                      by army mule

                                      santa anita 6 @ 6:09

                                      #6 ovetta's hobby (7-2)

                                      2 race win streak but first time on downhill turf course is tough .. rispoli (journalism jock) will be aboard for first time ..should be in a good state of mind
                                      rispoli .... is another " Toro on the turf"! Fernando Toro was a grass race specialist .. back about 30 years ago. Berrios is another good turf rider.
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                                      • batt33
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                                        • 12-23-16
                                        • 5978

                                        #10449
                                        Originally posted by str

                                        I have not seen this race but I don't care for the " antsy" part. I was hopeful that he had matured somewhat away from that especially after his last 2 races. But in his defense, it does not take much , especially at a different venue, to get any horse wound up pre race.

                                        Sorry that occurred Batt. Seems it might take an event like this to beat him between the pre race nerves and the bad break.

                                        He will be back. I think your trainer has done a super job with him and most likely will off this race as well.
                                        Just wasn't his day..... Yes Blacker has!

                                        ​​​​​Straight No Chaser Post Race Update



                                        Straight No Chaser bounced out of the G1 Golden Shaheen in good order this morning. Trainer Dan Blacker passed along the video above of him, reporting he jogged up sound and is good spirits. Straight No Chaser is currently scheduled to leave Dubai on Wednesday and we will follow up with any additional information.
                                        ​​​​​​https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...3917405044.mp4
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                                        • JBEX
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                                          • 01-02-12
                                          • 23003

                                          #10450
                                          (AM SA6)OH cold on the board ..6-1 w/3 mtp
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                                          • JBEX
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                                            • 01-02-12
                                            • 23003

                                            #10451
                                            didn't look good with war mule..guess he was eased in the stretch and noticed when he crossed the wire his head was up and went side to side
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                                            • batt33
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                                              • 12-23-16
                                              • 5978

                                              #10452
                                              Originally posted by JBEX
                                              didn't look good with war mule..guess he was eased in the stretch and noticed when he crossed the wire his head was up and went side to side
                                              yes saw the same thing.... legs looked good... wondering if it could be a breathing issue....
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                                              • JBEX
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                                                • 01-02-12
                                                • 23003

                                                #10453
                                                Originally posted by batt33

                                                yes saw the same thing.... legs looked good... wondering if it could be a breathing issue....
                                                we'll see what str thinks .. hopefully he's ok

                                                think ovetta's hobby got a lot out of that race and is primed for a big effort 2nd off the layoff
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                                                • JBEX
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                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                  • 23003

                                                  #10454
                                                  sorry about SNC batt..sure after a few months away to recoup he'll have a nice year back at home
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                                                  • JBEX
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                                                    • 01-02-12
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                                                    #10455
                                                    by army mule .. monday

                                                    keeneland

                                                    R1 (two horses)

                                                    #1 lily's army (15-1)
                                                    #8 pinky finger (7-5)

                                                    the 2yo races are beginning ..2 first time starters going 4.5f
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                                                    • batt33
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                                                      • 12-23-16
                                                      • 5978

                                                      #10456
                                                      Originally posted by JBEX

                                                      we'll see what str thinks .. hopefully he's ok

                                                      think ovetta's hobby got a lot out of that race and is primed for a big effort 2nd off the layoff
                                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                                      sorry about SNC batt..sure after a few months away to recoup he'll have a nice year back at home
                                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                                      by army mule .. monday

                                                      keeneland

                                                      R1 (two horses)

                                                      #1 lily's army (15-1)
                                                      #8 pinky finger (7-5)

                                                      the 2yo races are beginning ..2 first time starters going 4.5f
                                                      Yes agreed
                                                      Yes and off a layoff cant wait!
                                                      Thanks JBEX! there was reports the he was off... But as you saw in the video the trainer didn't mention it.

                                                      Look forward to the 2 year old races!
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                                                      • str
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                        • 11512

                                                        #10457
                                                        [QUOTE=JBEX;n29865201]
                                                        Originally posted by str

                                                        it's really amazing how often these army mules have legit excuses when they run subpar..it's great to know this stuff for follow up plays and to further confirm he is producing solid runners overall even when it's not obvious to the untrained eye ..great job str


                                                        _______

                                                        on a separate note thought you might find this race interesting


                                                        carter stakes at aqu (army mules finale) ..don't really have an opinion but deep solid field

                                                        couple of interesting notes
                                                        ..

                                                        ed allard shipping from laurel with a horse that's only run there in 5 career starts (won 4 of them)

                                                        linda rice has an "8yo" she claimed 4 starts back who ran a career high figure last start




                                                        .​
                                                        Yes JBEX. I am not making this stuff up. And if I see one that is not trying or looking for a reason to disengage, I will point that out. So far all I have seen is hard trying, determined horses running hard. Only exception are a few that have not had the lightbulb go off yet.
                                                        In some cases, it could be the horse but for the most part, I would be looking at the trainer.

                                                        They damn near all do the same thing. Try like crazy.
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                                                        • str
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                                                          • 01-12-09
                                                          • 11512

                                                          #10458
                                                          Originally posted by batt33

                                                          Just wasn't his day..... Yes Blacker has!

                                                          ​​​​​Straight No Chaser Post Race Update



                                                          Straight No Chaser bounced out of the G1 Golden Shaheen in good order this morning. Trainer Dan Blacker passed along the video above of him, reporting he jogged up sound and is good spirits. Straight No Chaser is currently scheduled to leave Dubai on Wednesday and we will follow up with any additional information.
                                                          ​​​​​​https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...3917405044.mp4
                                                          He looks fine Batt. That is the most important thing.
                                                          Glad he ate up and seems good to go. Legs look good from afar. Still haven't seen the race but will find it asap.
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                                                          • str
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                                                            • 01-12-09
                                                            • 11512

                                                            #10459
                                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                                            didn't look good with war mule..guess he was eased in the stretch and noticed when he crossed the wire his head was up and went side to side
                                                            The rider immediately became concerned actually just before the 1/4 pole ( red and white at top of the stretch). He either heard something or felt something and by then the horse was quite concerned and therefore a bit confused as well. He was never really in hand down the backside so the horse knew something was not perfect because he seemed to be focusing on whatever it was and not the race or the riders instructions. Being an Army Mule, he ran through it but it was evident that the horse was not himself even before the turn from the 1/2 mile pole ( red pole before the far turn) through the 3/8ths pole( green and white into the turn.)

                                                            Don't know if the not switching leads was a soreness problem or a breathing, bleeding internally problem that preoccupied the horses focus away from switching leads. Finally switched late in the stretch most likely when the horse was out of contention and being eased up and the horse kind of let down and let normalcy creep ,back in. Hope that makes sense.

                                                            Also, hope the horse is OK.
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                                                            • str
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                                                              • 01-12-09
                                                              • 11512

                                                              #10460
                                                              Originally posted by batt33

                                                              yes saw the same thing.... legs looked good... wondering if it could be a breathing issue....
                                                              Good eye Batt. That would be my first guess.
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                                                              • str
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                                                                • 01-12-09
                                                                • 11512

                                                                #10461
                                                                Originally posted by batt33





                                                                Yes agreed
                                                                Yes and off a layoff cant wait!
                                                                Thanks JBEX! there was reports the he was off... But as you saw in the video the trainer didn't mention it.

                                                                Look forward to the 2 year old races!
                                                                He looked comfortable grazing. Hard to see any subtle joint filling on a video like that . It is usually very subtle and you need to feel those legs every day or every other day at the least to have a firm grasp on the heat, filling, etc. I saw some white marks on a couple of legs in various spots that could have been remnants of poultice applied but that's probably standard procedure post race.
                                                                If he WAS off, he looked comfortable there. Doubt anything would be serious but it doesn't take much as Batt can attest to.

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                                                                • batt33
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                                                                  • 12-23-16
                                                                  • 5978

                                                                  #10462
                                                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                  by army mule .. monday

                                                                  keeneland

                                                                  R1 (two horses)

                                                                  #1 lily's army (15-1)
                                                                  #8 pinky finger (7-5)

                                                                  the 2yo races are beginning ..2 first time starters going 4.5f
                                                                  Wow Pinky finger was impressive! Lily didn't run to bad either!
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                                                                  • batt33
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                                                                    • 12-23-16
                                                                    • 5978

                                                                    #10463
                                                                    Originally posted by str

                                                                    He looks fine Batt. That is the most important thing.
                                                                    Glad he ate up and seems good to go. Legs look good from afar. Still haven't seen the race but will find it asap.
                                                                    Thanks STR! I would have believed DanBlacker would have said something in the video the next morning. Well I know one thing he will have some time off!
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                                                                    • str
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                                                                      • 01-12-09
                                                                      • 11512

                                                                      #10464
                                                                      Originally posted by batt33

                                                                      Thanks STR! I would have believed DanBlacker would have said something in the video the next morning. Well I know one thing he will have some time off!
                                                                      I always immediately go visually to the legs , feet and body when I see all these horses. Just a habit. Nothing seemed different but a view is just a start. His demeanor was fine and he seemed calm and comfortable. Those white smudges we’re probably uptight, a poultice that is pre mixed but that can be routine for the soundest of horses.
                                                                      I will watch the rerun but from what you guys said, it sounded like it made sense too me.

                                                                      I would have signed a contract to have all mine look that good post race .


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                                                                      • JBEX
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                                                                        • 01-02-12
                                                                        • 23003

                                                                        #10465
                                                                        Originally posted by batt33

                                                                        Wow Pinky finger was impressive! Lily didn't run to bad either!
                                                                        yeah..won by 7+ and looked like she wasn't asked for much to do it ..didn't even realize going in that it was a filly ..other cool thing is it's out of a liam's map mare and wesley ward is the sole owner ..has to say something about the sire that he would buy one for himself



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