Horse Racing questions and answers

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Chucky, it was nice to meet you. Sorry for the seemingly nonstop interruptions. Funny how so many of those trainers worked for me when they were real young. My whole crew was young. Heck, I was so young. Good times, great people. We had a many a fun time along the way but when it was time to work, those people were all business. They knew what was expected of them and they rarely disappointed. I always tried to lead by example. With the success so many of them have had and the friendliness shown many years later, I think it worked.

Hope you enjoyed the day Chucky.

No problem, str. It was a very enjoyable day. Very educational.

Boys, you should have seen how popular str was. When that many people come over to speak to you, that's a huge sign of respect.

[Madison]

I will want to see the form but going in, you can feel the excitement building can't you? Back in the early 70's, the battle of the sexes was front and center. When Billy Jean King beat Bobby Riggs it was HUGE ! That is a must google if you are not familiar.
The slogan, " You've come a long way baby" was everywhere. That carried over to horse racing in the USA. It was really refreshing EZ. Different for sure. But when Ruffian was hurt, it kind of took the wind out of it. It was still around, but not with the same joy, at least for me that was the case.
But it is always intriguing and an exciting thing to watch. And you really have to applaud the connections for taking the swing. They , in my mind, gave up an almost assured Alabama win to try this. That's a big deal EZ. It's good for the game, the fans, everybody. Every jock not riding in it will be watching, everywhere they possibly can. Racetracks would be well served to space their own races around the starting time so everyone throughout the country could stop to see it. Probably won't happen with some of today's ownership but I guess we can hope.

As you said it adds intrigue and if built up correctly, A TON, of intrigue. So yes, it was really catching a fan base when the Ruffian thing hit. And I pause typing that because it still takes my thoughts away for a moment when I think back on it. All I remember was, I watched it in the next barn over at Bowie, John Tammaro's barn on a small black and white TV with about 6-8 people. Think it was about 5:30 or 6pm when it ran. All the horses had been fed an hour earlier and just becoming an asst. trainer for Dicky, I was sticking around to water off ( top off of refill the 2 water buckets after the horses ate dinner). Once it was apparent that the severity of the injury was what it was, I walked out, went back to my barn and watered off all 48 horses. Schooo. Hard to think of that EZ. That was incredibly tough, especially what Ruffian had meant to me from Monmouth Park earlier. Something very few people know but man that was tough.

OK, enough about that stuff, yes EZ, let's get the form and talk about this some more. I think it is very cool it is happening. And who wouldn't want to see her win?

Thanks EZ. More later this week for sure.

Why no Mindframe? Minus inexperience and 2 top races by Dornoch he'd be the talk of the town.

[str]

Why no Mindframe? Minus inexperience and 2 top races by Dornoch he'd be the talk of the town.

I have not gone through the race yet. This was an answer to the female vs. the boys stuff.

Can't wait to go through the race. I will soon.

[JBEX]

Why no Mindframe? Minus inexperience and 2 top races by Dornoch he'd be the talk of the town.

my guess is (if not injured) that they are aiming for the pennsylvania derby on 9/21..give him a 9 week breather after the haskell and then it's 6 weeks to the breeders cup.. they feel the longer break now would benefit him more than running on saturday and waiting 10 weeks for the bc classic ..so if he ran saturday it'd be 5 then10 weeks to bc. vs penn derby 9 then 6 weeks to it .. not a small thing ..purse just a little lower for PD vs the travers and likely to be an easier (not easy) field

[JBEX]

my guess is (if not injured) that they are aiming for the pennsylvania derby on 9/21..give him a 9 week breather after the haskell and then it's 6 weeks to the breeders cup.. they feel the longer break now would benefit him more than running on saturday and waiting 10 weeks for the bc classic ..so if he ran saturday it'd be 5 then10 weeks to bc. vs penn derby 9 then 6 weeks to it .. not a small thing ..purse just a little lower for PD vs the travers and likely to be an easier (not easy) field

add to the timing mix that the pa derby is only 9f (travers 10) ..two very different paths to get to the big race ($6M purse)

[jamesrav]

is there any reason Australian races would be any different than US races? It seems like they run the same distances and the tracks are ovals like in the US. Would chart data gathered for US races at the 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 mile marks 'work' for Australian races? I watched some and can't see any difference in strategy (ie sprints are run full speed, 1 mile and longer employ strategy). The big difference is they all seem to use the same colored bib (blue) which makes identifying horses much harder than in the US (I bet in-play so that's a major issue).

[JBEX]

is there any reason Australian races would be any different than US races? It seems like they run the same distances and the tracks are ovals like in the US. Would chart data gathered for US races at the 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 mile marks 'work' for Australian races? I watched some and can't see any difference in strategy (ie sprints are run full speed, 1 mile and longer employ strategy). The big difference is they all seem to use the same colored bib (blue) which makes identifying horses much harder than in the US (I bet in-play so that's a major issue).

I've noticed that about most foreign tracks ..most seem to lack internal fractions and multiple points of call..don't know how you pick up past performances and handicap that but obviously people do ..in hong kong they do have them

[jamesrav]

I've noticed that about most foreign tracks ..most seem to lack internal fractions and multiple points of call..don't know how you pick up past performances and handicap that but obviously people do ..in hong kong they do have them

not showing internal fractions during the race caught my attention too. I dont even think they produce charts in the way we do in the US. I watched a brief YT video on how the chart is determined (ie horse positions) and it always has been just a guy with binoculars. Maybe now they re-watch on video to make sure they have it all correct. Australia must not feel its worth the time and effort, so the US is more detail oriented in that respect. OTOH, Australia seems to be more 'exact' on turf conditions, I think they use a 10 point grading system. But overall the races seem to be identical to the US. Not like in the UK where the turf races are run hither and yon

[str]

is there any reason Australian races would be any different than US races? It seems like they run the same distances and the tracks are ovals like in the US. Would chart data gathered for US races at the 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 mile marks 'work' for Australian races? I watched some and can't see any difference in strategy (ie sprints are run full speed, 1 mile and longer employ strategy). The big difference is they all seem to use the same colored bib (blue) which makes identifying horses much harder than in the US (I bet in-play so that's a major issue).

not showing internal fractions during the race caught my attention too. I dont even think they produce charts in the way we do in the US. I watched a brief YT video on how the chart is determined (ie horse positions) and it always has been just a guy with binoculars. Maybe now they re-watch on video to make sure they have it all correct. Australia must not feel its worth the time and effort, so the US is more detail oriented in that respect. OTOH, Australia seems to be more 'exact' on turf conditions, I think they use a 10 point grading system. But overall the races seem to be identical to the US. Not like in the UK where the turf races are run hither and yon

Help me with a "bib"? not sure what you mean.

The chart maker thing is pretty interesting. I don't know if they do more now or what might have changed, but I was in the press box and watched a chart caller doing a race. It is an inexact science because the race can change mid call of the field. And he was quick about it. didn't name names, he called numbers. Probably took about 10 seconds to do it with a full field but you can see what I mean about the flow changing. Not all that much but it did change. That was probably the 80's. I would think using video or stills would be more accurate but that is not how the racing form was doing it in Md. back then.

He was calling out distances off each other but not making the chart comments. That came afterwards with the help of replay. You can see how serious or not serious tracks are with those. The top tracks go to great lengths. But I've seen some bottom tracks and the charts are pitiful. The comments worthless. I guess it's about the quality of the product and how much they pay someone to do it and what is expected. For those lower tracks, I found it very disappointing to say the least.
Someone on their game could slice and dice a place up with better times and figures/ charts. But would there be any value to that with such small pools? Probably not or it would be going on more than it already is I suppose.

I have to admit, when I watched the races on Saudi Cup day , With no fractions, I was lost. I have no idea how they can handicap without them or something that helps with that. I felt like I was at the races for the 1st time again. No clue what I am seeing and don't understand anything. Lol. It was weird.

[JBEX]

I think bib means saddlecloth str

[JBEX]

not showing internal fractions during the race caught my attention too. I dont even think they produce charts in the way we do in the US. I watched a brief YT video on how the chart is determined (ie horse positions) and it always has been just a guy with binoculars. Maybe now they re-watch on video to make sure they have it all correct. Australia must not feel its worth the time and effort, so the US is more detail oriented in that respect. OTOH, Australia seems to be more 'exact' on turf conditions, I think they use a 10 point grading system. But overall the races seem to be identical to the US. Not like in the UK where the turf races are run hither and yon

if I had to render a guess "IF" there are a lot of different track shapes and grades in the courses might make internal times a lot less meaningful going track to track..I know there are a lot of tracks at different levels of quality ..in hong kong there's 2 tracks,both ovals but a lot different dimensions..
only places they can run there and biggest pools in the world .. no way they could do it without points of call and internal fractions

[str]

if I had to render a guess "IF" there are a lot of different track shapes and grades in the courses might make internal times a lot less meaningful going track to track..I know there are a lot of tracks at different levels of quality ..in hong kong there's 2 tracks,both ovals but a lot different dimensions..
only places they can run there and biggest pools in the world .. no way they could do it without points of call and internal fractions

The different configurations, etc. can be tricky. Have to think the handicapper’s have plenty do go over. I just have no idea what that is.
Never handicapped foreign races other than a glance.

[JBEX]

The different configurations, etc. can be tricky. Have to think the handicapper’s have plenty do go over. I just have no idea what that is.
Never handicapped foreign races other than a glance.

outside of hong kong i'm clueless.. class,distance,track condition,jock,trainer,spacing,trip comments , etc..still not enough without the other for me .. have to guess if you're looking at pp's those must be a big part of the process..

[JBEX]

just mentioning that "headline numbers" who I've brought up before in here will make start #2 at the spa tomorrow..R7 #7 (8-5)..look forward to seeing her run but not recommending as a play at the ml odds ..would like to see her develop into a top flight stakes horse

[JBEX]

debut race is on you tube if you search "headline numbers"

[str]

just mentioning that "headline numbers" who I've brought up before in here will make start #2 at the spa tomorrow..R7 #7 (8-5)..look forward to seeing her run but not recommending as a play at the ml odds ..would like to see her develop into a top flight stakes horse

debut race is on you tube if you search "headline numbers"

This is just yet another incredibly talented young horse that Chad got. That's crazy.


If you watch her rerun on YouTube the one thing that you can definitely see is at the 48 second mark of the video not the race , and for about 6-7 seconds, watch her start to jump up and down from the dirt kickback as the outside horse drops over in front of her. Lol. It surprised her. But she recovers after about 10 seconds. After that, she let's the leaders go in 45 and change and is back some and then proceeds to circle the field with a 23 flat while racing 5 wide move around the turn. Lolol. Must be nice.

Yeah, she can run. I couldn't imagine waking up and going to a barn full of that back in the day. She has monster type ability JBEX. Who know what is next but that was an insane performance.

I just keep shaking my head as I type this. Unreal !

[str]

I think bib means saddlecloth str

Maybe try following certain horses by colors the rider is wearing or cap colors?? It will take a little time to get used to that though.

Fun Fact: Do you know what track was using colored saddle towels in the 60's when practically everyone else was using all black or all white?

Charlestown and Shenandoah Downs in W. Va.

[JBEX]

This is just yet another incredibly talented young horse that Chad got. That's crazy.


If you watch her rerun on YouTube the one thing that you can definitely see is at the 48 second mark of the video not the race , and for about 6-7 seconds, watch her start to jump up and down from the dirt kickback as the outside horse drops over in front of her. Lol. It surprised her. But she recovers after about 10 seconds. After that, she let's the leaders go in 45 and change and is back some and then proceeds to circle the field with a 23 flat while racing 5 wide move around the turn. Lolol. Must be nice.

Yeah, she can run. I couldn't imagine waking up and going to a barn full of that back in the day. She has monster type ability JBEX. Who know what is next but that was an insane performance.

I just keep shaking my head as I type this. Unreal !

see what you're saying about
her reaction to the kickback..the move on the turn did seem effortless and combined with the margin..whole thing was impressive..but the other important part for me,as I've mentioned before,is the elite sire and dam sire combo of gun runner and curlin..if the pedigree wasn't there ,as big an effort as it was, it wouldn't be a follow for me

one of my all time favorites (filly) and maybe next to ruffian amongst the best ever is "personal ensign"..undefeated in 13 races and finished off her career with a thrilling win in the bc distaff over ky derby winner "winning colors" ..must watch if you have never seen it (sure you have str)

watched her debut and kind of reminded me of HN..difference is PE was in sept as a 2yo and HN july as a 3yo ..7f and 1 mile respectively but that should be true with the age gap ..didn't show the final time in PE race but timed it in what seemed about 1:23..PE was passing at about the 38 second mark (out of about 83 of the race) and HN at about 63 seconds of the 96 secs so moved much sooner and that was at bel vs HN at aqu
..not sure what PE final margin was but it was huge like HN ..PE a Phipps homebred by "private account" out of a "hoist the flag" mare so she was also very well bred ..who knows

PE debut and win over winning colors are both available on YT

[Madison]

my guess is (if not injured) that they are aiming for the pennsylvania derby on 9/21..give him a 9 week breather after the haskell and then it's 6 weeks to the breeders cup.. they feel the longer break now would benefit him more than running on saturday and waiting 10 weeks for the bc classic ..so if he ran saturday it'd be 5 then10 weeks to bc. vs penn derby 9 then 6 weeks to it .. not a small thing ..purse just a little lower for PD vs the travers and likely to be an easier (not easy) field

Appreciated!

[jamesrav]

Maybe try following certain horses by colors the rider is wearing or cap colors?? It will take a little time to get used to that though.

Fun Fact: Do you know what track was using colored saddle towels in the 60's when practically everyone else was using all black or all white?

Charlestown and Shenandoah Downs in W. Va.

yes, saddlecloth, and 4 and 6 still get me confused (black on yellow , yellow on black), I have often rooted for the wrong horse lol. In Aus, they seem to only use a light blue with a white number. And they have larger fields in general, often 10-12. How the announcers keep them straight is beyond me. Using jockey cap can help, but often 3 will be wearing black. It comes down to paying attention, no excuses. For in-play betting, US will always be easier. But the liquidity for Aus races is much higher, no doubt because of the Aussie bettors.

thanks for the comments about charts, certainly a laborious job creating those. And positions can only be guesses in many cases, a 3 across situation, who is 1st, 2nd, 3rd? Is the inside horse always 1st in that situation?

One quirk of the Aus races are the interviews with the jockeys afterwards, happens every race no matter the importance or lack thereof. And for some reason they often go off-script and ask unrelated questions ("your favorite food ?"), like a TV late night talk show. Must be part of Aussie culture. But for a population of only 26 million they sure do a lot of racing, as much as the US some days.

[str]

yes, saddlecloth, and 4 and 6 still get me confused (black on yellow , yellow on black), I have often rooted for the wrong horse lol. In Aus, they seem to only use a light blue with a white number. And they have larger fields in general, often 10-12. How the announcers keep them straight is beyond me. Using jockey cap can help, but often 3 will be wearing black. It comes down to paying attention, no excuses. For in-play betting, US will always be easier. But the liquidity for Aus races is much higher, no doubt because of the Aussie bettors.

thanks for the comments about charts, certainly a laborious job creating those. And positions can only be guesses in many cases, a 3 across situation, who is 1st, 2nd, 3rd? Is the inside horse always 1st in that situation?

One quirk of the Aus races are the interviews with the jockeys afterwards, happens every race no matter the importance or lack thereof. And for some reason they often go off-script and ask unrelated questions ("your favorite food ?"), like a TV late night talk show. Must be part of Aussie culture. But for a population of only 26 million they sure do a lot of racing, as much as the US some days.

The race and chart callers often use the silks worn by the riders as a reference. Also, if there is a grey horse or four white legs on the horse, or anything that sets them apart. You can even divide the separation up into horse color, silks and a saddle towel or two. Whatever works for you. Maybe try that.
Good Luck !

[trytrytry]

good discussions what about picks today at TOGA

[JBEX]

Appreciated!

np madison

[JBEX]

This is just yet another incredibly talented young horse that Chad got. That's crazy.


If you watch her rerun on YouTube the one thing that you can definitely see is at the 48 second mark of the video not the race , and for about 6-7 seconds, watch her start to jump up and down from the dirt kickback as the outside horse drops over in front of her. Lol. It surprised her. But she recovers after about 10 seconds. After that, she let's the leaders go in 45 and change and is back some and then proceeds to circle the field with a 23 flat while racing 5 wide move around the turn. Lolol. Must be nice.

Yeah, she can run. I couldn't imagine waking up and going to a barn full of that back in the day. She has monster type ability JBEX. Who know what is next but that was an insane performance.

I just keep shaking my head as I type this. Unreal !

my overall observation would be she didn't relax (at least through the first quarter) and going one path wider on the turn cost her a length ( margin was a neck)..considering 1st time around 2 turns was a good learning experience ..don't care that she was placed 1st through disqualification as the incident had nothing to do with her..in retrospect might have been better if she wasn't placed 1st to have another crack at this level with some experience behind her


personal ensign had a similiar trip and experience in her 2nd start but prevailed by a neck ..also was stretching out a furlong from 7 to 1 mile while HN was 1 mile to 9f ..so PE stayed around 1 turn while HN went to 2 turns from 1

[batt33]

No problem, str. It was a very enjoyable day. Very educational.

Boys, you should have seen how popular str was. When that many people come over to speak to you, that's a huge sign of respect.

Wow Chucky! you go pretty lucky I would have loved the opportunity also!

[batt33]

I'm not going to mince words for you Batt. This is not good news at all. He is on shaky ground and the next couple of days are crucial.

And for right this minute, the next 12-24 hours. I am surprised he has an apatite at all with pain in all fours and a fever. Maybe they are feeding him just hay, which without fully understanding what is going on, would make sense. If that is what they mean, then great. But the infection in all 4 legs is not cool at all. Foundering is my greatest fear without seeing him. And that doesn't mean if you start to founder you die. But it is certainly deadly which all involved are well aware of.
I am sure they are competent horsemen and vets involved and that is crucial. Keep us posted as word comes down and good luck with this guy. They are so damn strong and yet so fragile. Here's hoping for good news.

I totally get it.... ugh.... another update

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Update
[/COLOR]
Visceral’s condition remains guarded and he is by no means out of the woods yet, but he has been trending in the right direction since our last update.
His legs are still inflamed and bothering him, but they’re making slow improvements in that department. He’s off the serious pain medication at this point and so far handling that well. They’ll continue to monitor him very closely and do all they can to support his continued healing.
We’ll be back with more information when we have it.

[batt33]

my guess is (if not injured) that they are aiming for the pennsylvania derby on 9/21..give him a 9 week breather after the haskell and then it's 6 weeks to the breeders cup.. they feel the longer break now would benefit him more than running on saturday and waiting 10 weeks for the bc classic ..so if he ran saturday it'd be 5 then10 weeks to bc. vs penn derby 9 then 6 weeks to it .. not a small thing ..purse just a little lower for PD vs the travers and likely to be an easier (not easy) field

kinda like seize the grey,....
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Update
[/COLOR]
“The Coach" gave us a call this morning following Seize the Grey's five-furlong breeze (1:01.44 over the Oklahoma) to let us know that he would like to target the G1 Pennsylvania Derby. Since STG has been doing so well, Lukas was still thinking the Travers was worth considering, but after looking at the potential field and assessing the risk of retirement due to the "performing" clause in our stallion deal, he believes the PA Derby will be the best spot for your colt. D. Wayne always thought the track configuration at Parx suited Seize the Grey’s style best when we first discussed "the big three" race options, which included the G1 Travers, G1 Pennsylvania Derby, and G1 California Crown.
The last option we discussed was the G1 California Crown, but Lukas believes a race against older horses on the West Coast will be tougher than the straight 3-year-old option in the PA Derby. While there's no "top dog" in the older category in Southern California, with the new purse upgrade, it would not be surprising if this race attracts various shippers. Although the potential $5-million bonus is alluring to everyone, we need to make sure we put him in the best spot to perform, and right now, Lukas favors the PA Derby. Things can always change, and we have Gainesway's support on either race, so it really will come down to what Lukas thinks is best for STG as we get closer to the PA Derby. This a major decision for his career and we want to make sure we evaluate each option and place him in ultimately what we all believe will give him the best chance to win.

[str]

my overall observation would be she didn't relax (at least through the first quarter) and going one path wider on the turn cost her a length ( margin was a neck)..considering 1st time around 2 turns was a good learning experience ..don't care that she was placed 1st through disqualification as the incident had nothing to do with her..in retrospect might have been better if she wasn't placed 1st to have another crack at this level with some experience behind her


personal ensign had a similiar trip and experience in her 2nd start but prevailed by a neck ..also was stretching out a furlong from 7 to 1 mile while HN was 1 mile to 9f ..so PE stayed around 1 turn while HN went to 2 turns from 1

That's right JBEX. She did not relax early at all. A totally different horse this time. Her breathing was totally different than the race before. She will need to be better for her next start. IMO, that was a step backwards. And agree, the winning means nothing as for the horse moving forward. And yeah, get another run at that condition would help a lot but, it's used up now.

First around 2 turns and broke with an attitude this time. Like I said, night and day 2nd start.

She has work to do now, to improve whereas had she chilled out more, the path would be less difficult. But that's what horses do. We saw it with KB and several times since.
I am wondering about the mile and 1/8th choice and thinking maybe the calendar helped push that decision. Will be interesting to see where she lands next and how long in between starts.

[str]

I totally get it.... ugh.... another update

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Update
[/COLOR]
Visceral’s condition remains guarded and he is by no means out of the woods yet, but he has been trending in the right direction since our last update.
His legs are still inflamed and bothering him, but they’re making slow improvements in that department. He’s off the serious pain medication at this point and so far handling that well. They’ll continue to monitor him very closely and do all they can to support his continued healing.
We’ll be back with more information when we have it.

Without picking words apart and not knowing what is what, this is still very much up in the air I am afraid. Sometimes no news is good news. Let's hope he slowly but surely keeps improving Batt. It's about all we can do right now.
Here is hoping for good news knowing he is in good hands.

[str]

kinda like seize the grey,....
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Update
[/COLOR]
“The Coach" gave us a call this morning following Seize the Grey's five-furlong breeze (1:01.44 over the Oklahoma) to let us know that he would like to target the G1 Pennsylvania Derby. Since STG has been doing so well, Lukas was still thinking the Travers was worth considering, but after looking at the potential field and assessing the risk of retirement due to the "performing" clause in our stallion deal, he believes the PA Derby will be the best spot for your colt. D. Wayne always thought the track configuration at Parx suited Seize the Grey’s style best when we first discussed "the big three" race options, which included the G1 Travers, G1 Pennsylvania Derby, and G1 California Crown.
The last option we discussed was the G1 California Crown, but Lukas believes a race against older horses on the West Coast will be tougher than the straight 3-year-old option in the PA Derby. While there's no "top dog" in the older category in Southern California, with the new purse upgrade, it would not be surprising if this race attracts various shippers. Although the potential $5-million bonus is alluring to everyone, we need to make sure we put him in the best spot to perform, and right now, Lukas favors the PA Derby. Things can always change, and we have Gainesway's support on either race, so it really will come down to what Lukas thinks is best for STG as we get closer to the PA Derby. This a major decision for his career and we want to make sure we evaluate each option and place him in ultimately what we all believe will give him the best chance to win.

Sounds good Batt. Wayne is all over this next race. He will make the right decision.

[JBEX]

That's right JBEX. She did not relax early at all. A totally different horse this time. Her breathing was totally different than the race before. She will need to be better for her next start. IMO, that was a step backwards. And agree, the winning means nothing as for the horse moving forward. And yeah, get another run at that condition would help a lot but, it's used up now.

First around 2 turns and broke with an attitude this time. Like I said, night and day 2nd start.

She has work to do now, to improve whereas had she chilled out more, the path would be less difficult. But that's what horses do. We saw it with KB and several times since.
I am wondering about the mile and 1/8th choice and thinking maybe the calendar helped push that decision. Will be interesting to see where she lands next and how long in between starts.

thanks str



do you think it's possible seeing the 1st turn come up so quick might have prompted the aggressiveness to get there ..also factoring how different the 1 turn mile layout is when she relaxed more ? DM had similar issues to this when first introduced to two turns in the wood which was also preceded by a 1 turn mile in the gotham ..but he doesn't have the early speed HN appears to have and finished way out of it if I remember correctly..to be fair DM had to do it in a grade 2 while HN was only a n1x alw which is obviously a big thing with learning something new

I would think there might be a silver lining to this .. with experience if they're able to get her to relax you know she has good acceleration to get position early in a race ..but understand the other part that you brought up that the speed mindset doesn't necessarily just go away


I have a hunch she will learn from this experience especially since she was able to relax and come off the pace in her debut.. maybe back to a 1 turn mile at aqueduct would be a good thing if they have one for n2x or possibly a listed stakes.. maybe 7f but not 6 or 6.5 imo.. possibly give her a rest till gulfstream winter meet .. worked well with KB and his time off was much longer than that .. lots of options and top connections ,just like KB,so sure they'll make the right call ..I'm certainly a little biased (as I was with the others lol) but I think she's going to settle in and become something really good

[JBEX]

lot's going on


two other things


2yo msw nyb impressive debut winner (11+ L) in R1 yesterday..final time < 4 ticks off what 4yo + oc 80k alw n3xot (tough) males ran later in the card ..qualifies on my expensive purchase requirement also .. last but not least it was a filly !


world record goes in the allen jerkens (g1) tomorrow..drew the rail for the 4th straight time lol

R12 #1 (8-1) @ 5:30






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[batt33]

lot's going on


two other things


2yo msw nyb impressive debut winner (11+ L) in R1 yesterday..final time < 4 ticks off what 4yo + oc 80k alw n3xot (tough) males ran later in the card ..qualifies on my expensive purchase requirement also .. last but not least it was a filly !


world record goes in the allen jerkens (g1) tomorrow..drew the rail for the 4th straight time lol

R12 #1 (8-1) @ 5:30






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World record on the rail again???? good grief....
and talking about maidens the #3 horse in the first race today..... pretty impressive also "Senza Parole"

[JBEX]

World record on the rail again???? good grief....
and talking about maidens the #3 horse in the first race today..... pretty impressive also "Senza Parole"

really amazing batt .. only good thing is it's something he's familiar with


senza parole was darn impressive ..with a top class route pedigree to do that first out as a 2yo is amazing .. no telling what he could develop into .. the barn of follows is getting very crowded


another by gun runner as is HN and WR

[batt33]

well now you why 1 there are break away fences..... 2nd race at ferndale(last Cali track I haven't been too I'm hoping to fix that in a couple of weeks!) 1 horse breaks left and goes through the fence..... Jockey an d horse are okay!! crazy thing is on the back stretch.... the 1 horse comes in to view going the other way on the inside of the track..... yikes!
Wish I could upload the race....