Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

glad you mentioned UH as i wasn't aware he was running today..was my pick in the preakness but was scratched..like his chances today and sure with the his name and purse share be a really nice win for the connections also



is that Rick Dutrow to the left of him ?

[str]

glad you mentioned UH as i wasn't aware he was running today..was my pick in the preakness but was scratched..like his chances today and sure with the his name and purse share be a really nice win for the connections also



is that Rick Dutrow to the left of him ?

That's Dickie wearing the pink outfit. Mike Pearson is to Dickie's right and the owner was Mr. Smith next to Mark and Mr. Frisco was his best friend. He owned about 5-6 with Dickie just like Mr. Smith. Mike was an exercise boy and most likely galloped Heater and when I became his asst. trainer, right around then, Mike was my number 2 guy. I would stay at the barn in the afternoons and Mike would go with the horses from Laurel where we were to ship for the day to Pimlico. I assume Heater was with us then. Can't remember that for sure. Tony D. and Ken Page were working the other barn. We each had about 42-45 horses and Dickie came to each barn every other day. Mike and I were a good team. He was such a great exercise boy and horseman.

I just looked closer at that picture and I am pretty sure that the very last fan behind Heater all the way to the right is a really young Damon Dilodovico. He is another really nice guy and the guy can flat out get it done. He is Excellent. If that is him, that's crazy.

Ricky is not in this picture but I have a ton of pics with him and his brothers in them.

[str]

Here you go JBEX.



From right to left:
CJ up. Me holding Luck, still a groom then but the number 1 who always rubbed Luck who was the top horse. And there might have been better horses in the barn than Luck but he was always in the 1st stall next to the tack room.
Tony, Rickie, Dickie, His wife Vicki, Richard, a groom and Ken Page, the guy I went to High school with and the other asst. trainer when I became one as well. Think Kenny might be a foreman by now but not yet an asst. Trainer. All that happened within a couple of months of each other.

[JBEX]

ok str thanks for pointing out who's who..so rick had close to 90 horses and 2 assistant trainers (asking about the latter) ?? ..were either tony or ken assistant trainers and had the same responsibilities for the other half of the stable..that's an incredible amount of horses to oversee and can't imagine the amount of work that must be.. especially with the level of detail that Sr paid to his horses which you once explained..can definitely see how that was a great education to get prior to going out on your own

side note..

$88k in the win pool..about $600k in today's dollars and of course only on track handle..that (inflation adjusted) dwarf's current day averages ..game obviously more popular then..maybe it being the day after christmas had something to do with it

[str]

ok str thanks for pointing out who's who..so rick had close to 90 horses and 2 assistant trainers (asking about the latter) ?? ..were either tony or ken assistant trainers and had the same responsibilities for the other half of the stable..that's an incredible amount of horses to oversee and can't imagine the amount of work that must be.. especially with the level of detail that Sr paid to his horses which you once explained..can definitely see how that was a great education to get prior to going out on your own

side note..

$88k in the win pool..about $600k in today's dollars and of course only on track handle..that (inflation adjusted) dwarf's current day averages ..game obviously more popular then..maybe it being the day after christmas had something to do with it

Yes. Dickie had about 90 horses. Roughly 45 were at Laurel and 45 were at either Bowie or Pimlico. I stayed at Laurel and that was my barn daily. Mike Pearson was my asst. and we oversaw that barn. Mike went daily to the track running with the horses from our barn and I stayed to cover everything else, mainly the vet work and monitoring the horses during the day.
There were about 20 more horses on the farm so there was some rotation but that was here and there as most needed various about of months to be ready to resume training.
Kenny was the asst. trainer at the other barn which also had about 45 horses. Tony D. was Kenny's asst. and number 2 in charge of that barn. So Kenny and I had the same responsibilities and Mike and Tony did as well.

As for the pools, the 26th was a Friday ( looked it up), so it was a long weekend, and the day after Christmas. Was a great card I am sure and yeah, the place was packed on days like that. The grandstand was full. No seats available but that was the norm for back then on a Saturday.
I learned more in that period of about a year and a half, than I ever could have imagined. I knew about doing some things but got to learn WHY we do those things or don't . THAT was the key to being able to learn so fast.

[BOA12]

Just noticed your SBR join date is my birthday.

What are the odds of that?

About 1 in 365.

[str]

Just noticed your SBR join date is my birthday.

What are the odds of that?

About 1 in 365.

Chris and I say Happy Birthday 46 years ago young man.

[BOA12]

Chris and I say Happy Birthday 46 years ago young man.

The greatest birthday gifts, a Stakes Winner and steak dinner.

In 1978 at age 20, my passion was in full tilt for this hobby for life.

In 1978 had my own painting business B & O Decorating.

My motto was, "I associate with anyone, even you."

Spent long lunches at the newest creation, an OTB on every corner in Chicago, dangerous fun.

[BOA12]

To play the game is great.

To win the game is greater.

But to love the game

Is the greatest of all.

[batt33]

Thanks for sharing the photos STR! I was away last week for some senior leadership training with my team at the Battle of Gettysburg. Wow Just wow what a humbling experience. Unreal what both sides went through. One of our SME's was a retired Marine colonel who was a licensed guide for the Battlefield and definitely gained some insight from him.
Here are some updates

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Workout Report[/COLOR]

Visceral worked a strong half-mile this morning at Santa Anita in a speedy :47.20 (2/46). See above for video. He was professional once again under Diego Herrera. Since his debut, both works have come without the blinkers and have been solo but we’ll look to add some company into one of his next breezes.

Straight No Chaser Workout Report

Straight No Chaser breezed a bullet half mile in :47 flat (best of 89 at the distance) Saturday morning at Santa Anita Park. Trainer Dan Blacker feels he is starting to peak again and that he benefited from the week off last week. Straight No Chaser will remain on a weekly work schedule leading up to the G1 Bing Crosby. Seize the Grey Update Seize the Grey has remained in good order since returning to Churchill Downs. Trainer D. Wayne Lukas says your colt is full of himself at the moment and seems to have bounced out of the Belmont S. as well as he seemed to have gone in. The scratches that he sustained in the early part of the race were superficial and healed up quickly. We also talked to Lukas about optimal distances moving forward and he was quite confident that anything between a mile and mile and a quarter fits him well. He does not believe his less then optimal performance in the Belmont was anything more than an "off day." It's great to see STG exit his race in such good order, as this gives us a lot of options moving forward for the second part of his 2024 campaign. That being said, we are not quite ready to make a decision on his next start, but we'll certainly have lots of exciting spots to choose from in the coming months. We will continue to monitor his progress daily, and over the next week or so should have a really good idea where we would like to go next. Seize the Grey Workout Report Seize the Grey had his first work since the Belmont S. this morning at Churchill Downs. Your son of Arrogate covered a swift half-mile in :47.20 (4/150) with Jaime Torres in the irons. This work was a bit faster than what D. Wayne Lukas was intending (the target was more like :49 flat), but Wayne said he did it easily and was geared down on the gallop out to complete five furlongs in 1:04 flat. We are still in the process of selecting a race target, but most importantly, we are thrilled to see your colt pick up where he left off. We are keeping both the G1 Haskell and G2 Jim Dandy open as possibilities. Seize the Grey will remain on a weekly work schedule leading up to these late July options.

[str]

Thanks for sharing the photos STR! I was away last week for some senior leadership training with my team at the Battle of Gettysburg. Wow Just wow what a humbling experience. Unreal what both sides went through. One of our SME's was a retired Marine colonel who was a licensed guide for the Battlefield and definitely gained some insight from him.
Here are some updates

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Workout Report[/COLOR]

Visceral worked a strong half-mile this morning at Santa Anita in a speedy :47.20 (2/46). See above for video. He was professional once again under Diego Herrera. Since his debut, both works have come without the blinkers and have been solo but we’ll look to add some company into one of his next breezes.

Straight No Chaser Workout Report

Straight No Chaser breezed a bullet half mile in :47 flat (best of 89 at the distance) Saturday morning at Santa Anita Park. Trainer Dan Blacker feels he is starting to peak again and that he benefited from the week off last week. Straight No Chaser will remain on a weekly work schedule leading up to the G1 Bing Crosby. Seize the Grey Update Seize the Grey has remained in good order since returning to Churchill Downs. Trainer D. Wayne Lukas says your colt is full of himself at the moment and seems to have bounced out of the Belmont S. as well as he seemed to have gone in. The scratches that he sustained in the early part of the race were superficial and healed up quickly. We also talked to Lukas about optimal distances moving forward and he was quite confident that anything between a mile and mile and a quarter fits him well. He does not believe his less then optimal performance in the Belmont was anything more than an "off day." It's great to see STG exit his race in such good order, as this gives us a lot of options moving forward for the second part of his 2024 campaign. That being said, we are not quite ready to make a decision on his next start, but we'll certainly have lots of exciting spots to choose from in the coming months. We will continue to monitor his progress daily, and over the next week or so should have a really good idea where we would like to go next. Seize the Grey Workout Report Seize the Grey had his first work since the Belmont S. this morning at Churchill Downs. Your son of Arrogate covered a swift half-mile in :47.20 (4/150) with Jaime Torres in the irons. This work was a bit faster than what D. Wayne Lukas was intending (the target was more like :49 flat), but Wayne said he did it easily and was geared down on the gallop out to complete five furlongs in 1:04 flat. We are still in the process of selecting a race target, but most importantly, we are thrilled to see your colt pick up where he left off. We are keeping both the G1 Haskell and G2 Jim Dandy open as possibilities. Seize the Grey will remain on a weekly work schedule leading up to these late July options.

I have known a couple of guys that participated in the mock Gettyburg battle over the years and they both came away with a deeper meaning of it than when they went. Both said basically the same thing you did about what a humbling experience it was. That's good stuff Batt.



The reports sound fine. Glad to see that Visceral did well again with no blks. Hopefully that is all behind him. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the updates.

[str]

To play the game is great.

To win the game is greater.

But to love the game

Is the greatest of all.

Yes. And I'm not exactly sure when that occurred, but it did, which is what made choices I had to make later on even clearer.

Thanks B12

[BOA12]

Yes. And I'm not exactly sure when that occurred, but it did, which is what made choices I had to make later on even clearer.

Thanks B12

A brotherhood is always good when integrity rules.

Your integrity should be the rule.

Thanks STR for your unwavering integrity as a PROFESSIONAL in this genre and life in general.

[batt33]

STR... as you mentioned earlier in the interest of learning .... would love your thoughts.... sorry if it's hard to read.
last to first... from about 2 months ago to 2 days ago.
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Lady Blitz Workout Report
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Lady Blitz breezed four furlongs over the Wavertree Stables turf course on Tuesday morning. Farm trainer Ciaran Dunne wasn’t looking for anything fast but enough for them to get something out of it. Your daughter of Audible breezed on the inside of her usual workmate, Here’s the Kicker and traveled well per usual. In the stretch, you can see her rider’s hands were close to his body and he had plenty of horse under him. She does continue to make a whistling sound which you are unable to hear due to the heavy winds but she continues to scope normal at rest in her stall. As we mentioned in our previous update, next week Ciaran is hoping to get the dynamic scope on her in a breeze to monitor the function of the throat during exercise.
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Lady Blitz Update

It’s been an eventful last two weeks, as the first dynamic scope footage taken of Lady Blitz vanished. As a result, she breezed three-eighths and out a half-mile last Wednesday at Wavertree Stables while equipped with the dynamic scope once more. By design, she was asked from the get-go to get a good read of her throat function at full speed. Her attending vet, Dr. Andrew Smith of Peterson and Smith, believes the left side of her throat is not functioning quite as well as the right and she could be a candidate for a tie-back.
Dr. Jeff Berk, MyRacehorse’s resident veterinarian, was able to review the footage for the first time today and agreed with Dr. Smith’s assessment, but wanted Ocala Equine's Dr. John Madison--who is considered the throat expert--to weigh in with his opinion. Dr. Madison’s feedback on the footage was: “The filly is able to maintain decent abduction of the left arytenoid galloping, but eventually in the breeze she begins to dynamically collapse the left arytenoid.” Dr. Madison does feel like she is early in the process, but believes the exam is consistent with left laryngeal hemiplegia (partial or loss of arytenoid abduction) and agrees given the inspiratory noise that she should be a candidate for a tie-back.
Lady Blitz has always been a very good workhorse for about half-mile, and her throat issue could explain the lack of finish in longer works and races. There is no guarantee that the throat explains her slightly disappoint form as a 2-year-old, but we believe we have enough information to warrant the surgery. Tie-back surgeries have about a 70% success rate and while this would set us back a little bit longer than we would like, it also gives us some hope that she can blossom into the horse she showed flashes of in the past.
We'll look to get a surgery scheduled as soon as possible with Dr. Madison and report back once something is lined up.


[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Lady Blitz Update
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Lady Blitz is scheduled for a tie-back surgery on May 30th with Dr. Madison of the Ocala Equine Hospital. This was the earliest we were able to get your filly in with Dr. Madison but he is one of the best, if not the best when it comes to throat procedures.



[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Lady Blitz Surgery Report
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Lady Blitz underwent a successful tie-back surgery on Thursday. Upon the recommendation of Dr. John Madison, Lady Blitz will need to be confined to a stall with hand walking for the next 30 days. She will be re-scoped at the time of suture removal and then again 30 days from surgery before being cleared to resume training. The purpose of being re-scoped is to be sure the abduction of the arytenoid has been maintained. Overall, about 70% of the horses that have a tie-back surgery will perform up to their capability, but we felt it was crucial to do this in order to have that chance. The next 30 days will be quiet as she relaxes during her recovery, but we will remain in contact with Ciaran Dunne and provide updates as we get them.
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Lady Blitz Update

Lady Blitz had her follow-up scope by Dr. Madison (who performed her surgery) on Friday morning at Wavertree and it was unfortunately discovered that her tie-back has failed.
Dr. Madison said, “The tie-back sutures cutting through the cartilage resulting in loss of abduction of the arytenoid is the single biggest problem that has plagued this procedure for 50 years.”
We are now left with three options for Lady Blitz: 1) repeat the tie-back surgery; 2) an arytenoidectomy; or 3) a career change.
According to Dr. Madison, about 50% of the horses that undergo a repeat tie-back are still unable to achieve any abduction or adequate abduction after the second surgery, so it’s certainly not a guaranteed fix (nor was the first surgery). Repeat tie-back surgery does, however, offer the best prognosis for the horse being able to perform to her ability if the procedure is successful. An arytenoidectomy (removing the left arytenoid) can be attempted, but the two potential problems with that procedure are possible dynamic collapse of the unsupported soft tissues at high air flows and potential aspiration. The overall success rate in Thoroughbreds following an arytenoidectomy is 50%, meaning 50% will race following the procedure and 50% will have to move on to a second career. Of the 50% that race, some do well and others race but probably not to their full capability. The final option would be exploring broodmare or other second career options.
We will be having further conversations with Dr. Berk (MyRacehorse Resident Veterinarian), who is familiar with this specific case, before making any decisions, but wanted to share the latest with you all.

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[str]

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1. She has never started ?

2. Worked about a 1/2 a mile a few times which puts her about 60% ready and educated enough to run so far ?

3. She is by Audible. How about the dam side? ( In other words, what is her expected value as a broodmare?)

4. What was she purchased for ?

5.What has any of her siblings done so far?



Thanks Batt.

[str]

A brotherhood is always good when integrity rules.

Your integrity should be the rule.

Thanks STR for your unwavering integrity as a PROFESSIONAL in this genre and life in general.

Thank YOU B12 !

When you don't talk about something you love, it seems to slowly fade away.

But when you can, it gives it life.

All of you that have responded have done just that.

It is very much appreciated.

[batt33]

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1. She has never started ?

2. Worked about a 1/2 a mile a few times which puts her about 60% ready and educated enough to run so far ?

3. She is by Audible. How about the dam side? ( In other words, what is her expected value as a broodmare?)

4. What was she purchased for ?

5.What has any of her siblings done so far?



Thanks Batt.

She started 5 times in 2023 with 1 third place finish. last start 11-19-23

She doesn't have much on the bottom side... unless you go back a little....
1st DamPATSY’S KIM, by Dixie Union. Unraced. Dam of 4 foals of racing age, including a 2-year-old of 2022, three to race, one winner--Quality Strike (c. by American Freedom). Winner at 2 and 3, 2022, $11,106.
2nd damROMY, by Slew Machine. 15 wins, 2 to 6, $636,627, De La Rose H. [G3],Jenny Wiley S. [G3], Locust Grove H. [L] (CD, $68,634), My CharmerH. [L] (CRC, $60,000), Mint Julep S. [L] (CD, $54,941), Misty Isle S. [L](AP, $33,990), Double Delta S. (AP, $22,620), 2nd Jenny Wiley S. [G3],Powder Break H. [L] (CRC, $20,000), Bryan Station S. [L] (KEE, $14,-000), Indian Maid S. (HAW, $8,390), Office Wife S. (AP, $7,690), 3rdProvidian Mile S. [G3], Lady Canterbury H. [L] (CBY, $11,000), HanshinH. [L] (AP, $11,000), Bryan Station S. [L] (KEE, $6,300). Dam of 7 foalsto race, 6 winners, including--MY RO (f. by Dixieland Band). 6 wins, 3 to 5, $184,242, Lazer Show H.(CD, $45,462), Fit for a Queen S. (AP, $25,200). Producer.Namura Clochette. 3 wins at 3 and 4, 35,846,000 yen in Japan. Total: $299,-576. Dam of 8 foals, 7 to race, 6 winners, including--Sha La La. 2 wins, 52,009,000 yen in Japan. Total: $466,788.Namura Volcan. 4 wins, 24,488,000 yen in Japan. Total: $311,347.Dear Shooter. 2 wins, 31,550,000 yen in Japan. Total: $287,106.3rd damMARK’S MAGIC, by Speak John.

She was purchased for 665,000

Thanks STR!

[str]

She started 5 times in 2023 with 1 third place finish. last start 11-19-23

She doesn't have much on the bottom side... unless you go back a little....
1st DamPATSY’S KIM, by Dixie Union. Unraced. Dam of 4 foals of racing age, including a 2-year-old of 2022, three to race, one winner--Quality Strike (c. by American Freedom). Winner at 2 and 3, 2022, $11,106.
2nd damROMY, by Slew Machine. 15 wins, 2 to 6, $636,627, De La Rose H. [G3],Jenny Wiley S. [G3], Locust Grove H. [L] (CD, $68,634), My CharmerH. [L] (CRC, $60,000), Mint Julep S. [L] (CD, $54,941), Misty Isle S. [L](AP, $33,990), Double Delta S. (AP, $22,620), 2nd Jenny Wiley S. [G3],Powder Break H. [L] (CRC, $20,000), Bryan Station S. [L] (KEE, $14,-000), Indian Maid S. (HAW, $8,390), Office Wife S. (AP, $7,690), 3rdProvidian Mile S. [G3], Lady Canterbury H. [L] (CBY, $11,000), HanshinH. [L] (AP, $11,000), Bryan Station S. [L] (KEE, $6,300). Dam of 7 foalsto race, 6 winners, including--MY RO (f. by Dixieland Band). 6 wins, 3 to 5, $184,242, Lazer Show H.(CD, $45,462), Fit for a Queen S. (AP, $25,200). Producer.Namura Clochette. 3 wins at 3 and 4, 35,846,000 yen in Japan. Total: $299,-576. Dam of 8 foals, 7 to race, 6 winners, including--Sha La La. 2 wins, 52,009,000 yen in Japan. Total: $466,788.Namura Volcan. 4 wins, 24,488,000 yen in Japan. Total: $311,347.Dear Shooter. 2 wins, 31,550,000 yen in Japan. Total: $287,106.3rd damMARK’S MAGIC, by Speak John.

She was purchased for 665,000

Thanks STR!

You probably already know where I am going with this. It's a shame when this happens, but it does. Not often , but it happened several times with me over the years.
With the price you paid for her, she has to have some value to someone as a broodmare. That is probably the place to go without ever seeing her IMO.

Those stats on success rates sound about right to me . I'm not sure if I ever saw one completely recover and be just fine. Breathing was always a concern if memory serves with those that went through that. Even the ones that were successful surgery's to be honest. And those very few that tried twice to do the tie back? I don't recall any of them that actually made it and were fine. Even so, if it would work, the stress and strain on the breathing for her would almost assuredly make her a horse that bleeds and probably more often then not, even if it was a minor amount. Kind of like a minor flu symptom instead of a major one. Either way, it sucks, and would most likely be somewhat repetitive.

It puts the horse through a lot and has to wear on her mental side as well as physical side. And to a lesser extent, same with the ownership and all involved. It's a tough spot Batt.

With all that said, I would obviously allow the experts that are dealing with this to make the final decision but if that was to prepare her to be a broodmare in the future, I think I would be good with that.

Hope that helps. Good luck with her. Please keep us posted.

[batt33]

You probably already know where I am going with this. It's a shame when this happens, but it does. Not often , but it happened several times with me over the years.
With the price you paid for her, she has to have some value to someone as a broodmare. That is probably the place to go without ever seeing her IMO.

Those stats on success rates sound about right to me . I'm not sure if I ever saw one completely recover and be just fine. Breathing was always a concern if memory serves with those that went through that. Even the ones that were successful surgery's to be honest. And those very few that tried twice to do the tie back? I don't recall any of them that actually made it and were fine. Even so, if it would work, the stress and strain on the breathing for her would almost assuredly make her a horse that bleeds and probably more often then not, even if it was a minor amount. Kind of like a minor flu symptom instead of a major one. Either way, it sucks, and would most likely be somewhat repetitive.

It puts the horse through a lot and has to wear on her mental side as well as physical side. And to a lesser extent, same with the ownership and all involved. It's a tough spot Batt.

With all that said, I would obviously allow the experts that are dealing with this to make the final decision but if that was to prepare her to be a broodmare in the future, I think I would be good with that.

Hope that helps. Good luck with her. Please keep us posted.

Thanks STR! I was leaning the same way.. I appreciate your thoughts! I will!

[JBEX]

saturday


stephen foster stakes ..g1

R11 #7 kingsbarns (6-1) @ 6:03

[JBEX]

I don't think saez had any intent of letting KB go to the lead in the pimlico special (YT)..looked like he had a hard hold on the turn and couldn't tell into the turn ..with the pace being as slow as it was would have to think he was compromised by this scenario .. maybe if the pace wasn't so slow he might've settled easier off the leader and had more left at the end ..curious what you think of the race str

[JBEX]

saturday


stephen foster stakes ..g1

R11 #7 kingsbarns (6-1) @ 6:03

double feature

baq

saturday


R7 g3/ turf /1 mile/ 3yo

#6 deterministic (4-1) @ 3:40


kind of surprised they're going this path as I thought they'd go back to extended sprints..believe you felt that way also..just hard to figure how a horse who seemed to struggle getting comfortable with a first turn is now going to try again and also on a different surface ..very interested to see this

[str]

I don't think saez had any intent of letting KB go to the lead in the pimlico special (YT)..looked like he had a hard hold on the turn and couldn't tell into the turn ..with the pace being as slow as it was would have to think he was compromised by this scenario .. maybe if the pace wasn't so slow he might've settled easier off the leader and had more left at the end ..curious what you think of the race str

I watched that race live. If I recall, my impression was that KB broke fine, and calm, ready to settle in and with no pace, found himself vying for the lead. As soon as that happened,( before the 1st turn), he IMO, started getting aggressive, which burns energy. Typically, horses are taught to try and relax just off the lead if they have tactical speed. And, I think he can do that somewhat if things go right. But it looks as though when he gets right on the lead or in that vicinity, he gets mentally wound up, burning energy he will regret burning at the 1/8th pole. That never happened prior to the Ky. Derby. Since then, I've seen it when he is in that position. It has become an old habit by now and we know that those can be almost impossible to break. It's frustrating to watch because there is no doubt that he is wasting energy for no reason and it's all between his ears.

That's what I recall about his last race without watching it again.

Worst part of this is, that slow pace should have iced the win for him if he stays cool. The Ky. Derby race fried him I'm afraid. I keep hoping for something different from him but so far, it's all kind of the same. And with all that is wrong, he still wins or finishes 2nd. Can't imagine how good he could be if he could overcome that. But with each race he continues to do it, the ask gets bigger to overcome the problem.

That's my take JBEX.

Appreciate the heads up on both horses. Can't wait to see them both.

[JBEX]

no problem str

I think this race is a good set up for him..the favorites (2 9) figure to be up front and probably will set a reasonable pace..if this is the case he should be able to settle comfortably (like he did in the ben ali at kee 2 back)..then it just becomes a question if he can elevate his game enough to beat both of them..I think if this pace scenario plays out it will be a perfect opportunity to see if he's really a top quality runner




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[str]

no problem str

I think this race is a good set up for him..the favorites (2 9) figure to be up front and probably will set a reasonable pace..if this is the case he should be able to settle comfortably (like he did in the ben ali at kee 2 back)..then it just becomes a question if he can elevate his game enough to beat both of them..I think if this pace scenario plays out it will be a perfect opportunity to see if he's really a top quality runner




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I agree JBEX. There is enough pace for him to do whatever he wants to early. But no matter where he sits, he MUST stay in the relaxed, well paced breathing scenario he DID do prior to the Derby. If he could pull that off, and fall into that pattern, I honestly think he can beat just about anyone. If you look at how consistent his races are, or Beyers are, or any angle of proof you want to use, he is doing all that while NOT relaxing or not fully fit . While not breathing as professionally as he can be, he is compromising his full ability IMO.
It would be too cool to see him be able to get back to that. Just don't know if he can. Sure hope so.

Funny that we are basically talking about the same thing with both runners today. This stuff happens more often than fans realize. These subtle yet so very important things. And it's the little things that can help flip a switch with a horse and have them flourish, even if it is just for a short period of time. Ricky showed the world that with White Albarrio. It doesn't always last forever. Actually it rarely does. But be it a stake horse or an inexpensive claimer, it's so incredibly fun and magical when you can find it, and make it work. It's the reward for going to the barn early everyday with the hope and enthusiasm that makes you feel young again. Cool stuff JBEX.

Enjoy the races today.

[batt33]

double feature

baq

saturday


R7 g3/ turf /1 mile/ 3yo

#6 deterministic (4-1) @ 3:40


kind of surprised they're going this path as I thought they'd go back to extended sprints..believe you felt that way also..just hard to figure how a horse who seemed to struggle getting comfortable with a first turn is now going to try again and also on a different surface ..very interested to see this

Watching both!

[batt33]

Couple of updates
Visceral turned in a very strong work this morning at Santa Anita. He breezed inside of maiden Big Baby, and was always going much easier than that one. The official clocking was 1:00.20 (2/24). We remain in maintenance mode as we wait for Del Mar, but at the moment Visceral doesn't seem like he could be doing much better
.https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG9164_1719593077303/MP4/IMG9164_1719593077303.mp4

Straight No Chaser breezed five furlongs in 1:01.40 this morning over the Santa Anita main track. Following two quick half-mile works of late, Dan instructed his assistant Juan Landeros, who was aboard your colt, to aim for something in the 1:01 range. Dan was very pleased with today’s breeze and mentioned that next week he will debate adding company as we only have three more works heading into the G1 Bing Crosby at Del Mar. All remains well.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/MyMovie103_1719680735364/MP4/MyMovie103_1719680735364.mp4

[str]

Deterministic ran much better, much more cooperative, and much more the way he needs to run today.

He was settled right away, did have a horse zip by him going into the first turn which did catch his attention, but within an 1/8th of a mile, he was right where you wanted him. All in all, a real nice comeback from those last couple of efforts where that settling mentally did not happened..
Did the grass just settle him ? Eliminating all the dirt spray? I don't know. Maybe both. Just not able to know that stuff from a TV screen, but this race was certainly a step in the right direction. I did catch his work on the grass last week and he really did make it look effortless. Totally chillin and floating over the grass.

Anxious to see him run back on the grass and see if all that continues.

I think he is at least somewhat back JBEX. That race was much better mentally. Night and day.

[batt33]

Deterministic ran much better, much more cooperative, and much more the way he needs to run today.

He was settled right away, did have a horse zip by him going into the first turn which did catch his attention, but within an 1/8th of a mile, he was right where you wanted him. All in all, a real nice comeback from those last couple of efforts where that settling mentally did not happened..
Did the grass just settle him ? Eliminating all the dirt spray? I don't know. Maybe both. Just not able to know that stuff from a TV screen, but this race was certainly a step in the right direction. I did catch his work on the grass last week and he really did make it look effortless. Totally chillin and floating over the grass.

Anxious to see him run back on the grass and see if all that continues.

I think he is at least somewhat back JBEX. That race was much better mentally. Night and day.

Yes he looked much more comfortable! At the top of the stretch it looked like Davis was going to split horses and then decided to go outside while asking him to switch leads........ He galloped out nice though!

[batt33]

Nice run by Kingsbarn! .... made a little back today....

[batt33]

with a chance for a little more...R12
Will Pays subject to change due to scratches

• 1
  
  [*=1]Simply In Front

• $107.55
  • 5
    
  • Poolside With Slim (Ire)
  
  
• $84.72
  • 8
    
  • Pipsy (Ire)
  
  
• $81.04
  • 9
    
  • Dancing N Dixie
  
  
• $127.27

[JBEX]

with a chance for a little more...R12
Will Pays subject to change due to scratches

• 1
  
  [*=1]Simply In Front

• $107.55
  • 5
    
  • Poolside With Slim (Ire)
  
  
• $84.72
  • 8
    
  • Pipsy (Ire)
  
  
• $81.04
  • 9
    
  • Dancing N Dixie
  
  
• $127.27

nice hit batt ..9 just up at the wire

[JBEX]

Deterministic ran much better, much more cooperative, and much more the way he needs to run today.

He was settled right away, did have a horse zip by him going into the first turn which did catch his attention, but within an 1/8th of a mile, he was right where you wanted him. All in all, a real nice comeback from those last couple of efforts where that settling mentally did not happened..
Did the grass just settle him ? Eliminating all the dirt spray? I don't know. Maybe both. Just not able to know that stuff from a TV screen, but this race was certainly a step in the right direction. I did catch his work on the grass last week and he really did make it look effortless. Totally chillin and floating over the grass.

Anxious to see him run back on the grass and see if all that continues.

I think he is at least somewhat back JBEX. That race was much better mentally. Night and day.

Yes he looked much more comfortable! At the top of the stretch it looked like Davis was going to split horses and then decided to go outside while asking him to switch leads........ He galloped out nice though!

Nice run by Kingsbarn! .... made a little back today....

great efforts by both..much more polished than the ones they ran last out and that made the difference imo..I think deterministic may have been a little compromised by the slow pace (guessing 49+ is) and also his inexperience on the surface..
way he was coming at the end to me hints he may want to go further as this race was at the shortest route distance of 1 mile

KB sat the trip I thought he might..saez got him in a great position and with what i think was a more reasonable pace than in his last start he was more relaxed in the backstretch..
had a ton of horse coming out of the far turn and finally ran the race we thought he had in him..
learned a lot along the way from you str as many of the things that were good about him I wouldn't have picked up on..been a fun journey for both of us and look forward to seeing both of them run at saratoga


KB is auto-eligible for the BC classic with this win



and we're not done yet lol ..the newest member of the stable goes at churchill tomorrow (closing day)

R6 #1 world record (3-1)
@ 3:18

7f dirt listed stakes..gets to break from the rail again at the same distance/track where he won last start

[batt33]

great efforts by both..much more polished than the ones they ran last out and that made the difference imo..I think deterministic may have been a little compromised by the slow pace (guessing 49+ is) and also his inexperience on the surface..
way he was coming at the end to me hints he may want to go further as this race was at the shortest route distance of 1 mile

KB sat the trip I thought he might..saez got him in a great position and with what i think was a more reasonable pace than in his last start he was more relaxed in the backstretch..
had a ton of horse coming out of the far turn and finally ran the race we thought he had in him..
learned a lot along the way from you str as many of the things that were good about him I wouldn't have picked up on..been a fun journey for both of us and look forward to seeing both of them run at saratoga


KB is auto-eligible for the BC classic with this win



and we're not done yet lol ..the newest member of the stable goes at churchill tomorrow (closing day)

R6 #1 world record (3-1)
@ 3:18

7f dirt listed stakes..gets to break from the rail again at the same distance/track where he won last start

Thanks JBEX ! To be honest you and STR talking about the horses had made me follow them.... I look forward to seeing World Record running tomorrow!

[JBEX]

Thanks JBEX ! To be honest you and STR talking about the horses had made me follow them.... I look forward to seeing World Record running tomorrow!

glad you made some money batt and have enjoyed these follows the past couple of years .. saratoga 12 days away so will be on the lookout for a pick before/follow after or even better both of those