Ufc 123

**stefan084** · 11-16-10, 06:02 PM

i've heard burt say this before but then whats the point of him even asking bj to step on the scale?

**Vaughany** · 11-16-10, 06:42 PM

Anybody like TJ O'Brien over Kelly? Thinking of taking him if he goes up to +150 on pinnacle.

**Handjuice** · 11-17-10, 01:36 PM

L.Machida wins by TKO/KO +170

Any other result -230

i have the urge to pound this any other result line. I can't see Machida stopping Rampage, Rampage has a great chin and under rated defense. It's tempting.

**urge2kill** · 11-17-10, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Handjuice

L.Machida wins by TKO/KO +170

Any other result -230

i have the urge to pound this any other result line. I can't see Machida stopping Rampage, Rampage has a great chin and under rated defense. It's tempting.

Do you think that's better value than Not Machida Inside Distance at -177?

**Handjuice** · 11-17-10, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by urge2kill

Do you think that's better value than Not Machida Inside Distance at -177?

That seems like a great bet too, Rampage's only submission loss was in his first pride fight against Saku. This one is headed for a decision imo. It's tempting to go big on one of these props.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 11-18-10, 02:29 AM

Might have to take a shot with Huges at +145 to +150. His "fall" may have been premature. He was the dog to Almeida, and i think proved he's still got something left. He really only has lost to GSP and a larger Alves in the last 6 years. They said he turned down fights against Fitch and Koscheck n the past yet he takes the fight with Penn. I think he really feels he has the advantage in this fight

**cky312** · 11-18-10, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Might have to take a shot with Huges at +145 to +150. His "fall" may have been premature. He was the dog to Almeida, and i think proved he's still got something left. He really only has lost to GSP and a larger Alves in the last 6 years. They said he turned down fights against Fitch and Koscheck n the past yet he takes the fight with Penn. I think he really feels he has the advantage in this fight

But you also have to consider his level of competition as well. I mean other than the already mentioned who really were credible opponents that he beat? Almeida, Riggs and Trigg in their prime? Can't really consider those guys top flight competition.

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-18-10, 04:15 AM

Within 6 years he also lost to BJ Penn, but I suppose that isn't worthy of note

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 11-18-10, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

Within 6 years he also lost to BJ Penn, but I suppose that isn't worthy of note

Incorrect, BJ beat Hughes Jan 31, 2004 almost seven years ago, not within six. But what is not worthy is that within the last six years Hughes has beat Penn

**jacktheknife** · 11-19-10, 10:44 PM

Goddamn casinos. 24 hours till game time and they finally make with the prelims. Anyway here's what I dealt:

3u Foster -155
2u Hallman +125
2u Davis -600/Harris -280/Sotiropoulos -250

**Vaughany** · 11-20-10, 05:23 AM

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**Eccocide** · 11-20-10, 10:12 AM

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**jacktheknife** · 11-20-10, 05:37 PM

Last minute, what do you guys think about O'brian?

**Vaughany** · 11-20-10, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by jacktheknife

Last minute, what do you guys think about O'brian?

I've got a very small play on him gettin submission of the night at +1800. He will have a reach advantage in this one and clearly offers a threat off his back with a lot of wins by triangle. The only way I see him winning this is if it goes to the ground and Kelly gets over anxious with his GnPnd. Kelly is highly frustrated coming off that loss to Volkmann who he had a lot of beef with leading in to the fight so may well not stick to a gameplan and be too aggressive (similar situation to Winner against Siver last wknd who was coming off a frustrating loss to Lentz). However, O'Brien is by no means a BJJ wizard, he was arm-barred in the first round by Mad Dog Mickle last year and the guys he has swept through since then are no way near Kelly's fighting ability level or experience. Kelly should get the TKO or most likely a decision IMO as long as he is smart.

**MRDOG** · 11-20-10, 06:11 PM

UFC123 -IMO- Machida will most likely win by decision.BJ and Hughes is too close to call - They are 1-1 but if you look at every round in each fight B.J. won them all besides the one round he got submitted.Hughes won his last 3 and B.J. lost his last 2 (to the same fighter and current lw champ)

**jacktheknife** · 11-20-10, 07:50 PM

Well we start out with Nick Lentz putting a bullet in the Faber-killer's contract. Who knew?

**jacktheknife** · 11-20-10, 08:31 PM

Lullo actually sounded like he might have had something for awhile but Barboza got him with leg kicks.

**BlindWeasel** · 11-20-10, 09:59 PM

Does anyone here really think Hughes will beat Penn? I've got a decent amount of dough on BJ here. I just don't see this Hughes revival happening. Not against Penn.

Something I'm missing here?

**JuicedUp** · 11-20-10, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by BlindWeasel

Does anyone here really think Hughes will beat Penn? I've got a decent amount of dough on BJ here. I just don't see this Hughes revival happening. Not against Penn.

Something I'm missing here?

Never bet against a hillbilly. They are very sneaky.

**MRDOG** · 11-21-10, 05:02 PM

Over all was a good card....Who is next for B.J. Penn,Read somewhere John Finch