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**Vaughany** · 07-16-12, 04:52 AM

**PunisherIND** · 07-16-12, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Hahaha that was great

**BluntTrauma** · 07-16-12, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

It's bit concerning when a guy like Delorme is likes to get in to bloody brawls and doesnt mind getting punched in the face is facing one of the more powerful strikers in his division! I still give Delorme the edge, although Rivera is the better striker I think the gap between their striking is less than the gap between their grappling. I'll probably stay away from this unless one of them is a decent sized dog. May put a sprinkle on Delorme SOTN

Good stuff. Thanks man. I got killed betting against Delorme in the Denis fight. I'm afraid to bet against him again, lol.

**Vaughany** · 07-16-12, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by BluntTrauma

Good stuff. Thanks man. I got killed betting against Delorme in the Denis fight. I'm afraid to bet against him again, lol.

yeah same, has jus over a hundred on Denis. I've been caught out recently from thinkin TUF rejects are not good enough. Have to admit I've under-rated guys in certain fights like Delorme, Siler, Cody McKenzie (obvs not against Mendes but fights before!), Michael Johnson, Philipou, Bruce Leroy, and Camozzi off top of my head.

**bjpenn85** · 07-16-12, 11:09 AM

Same here. The autofadetrain has def stopped for me too!

**DeFactoCrippler** · 07-16-12, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

lol this is gold

**gabe** · 07-16-12, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yeah same, has jus over a hundred on Denis. I've been caught out recently from thinkin TUF rejects are not good enough. Have to admit I've under-rated guys in certain fights like Delorme, Siler, Cody McKenzie (obvs not against Mendes but fights before!), Michael Johnson, Philipou, Bruce Leroy, and Camozzi off top of my head.

I always fade Philipou and always get royally screwed.

**Vaughany** · 07-16-12, 01:56 PM

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**Vaughany** · 07-16-12, 01:57 PM

Rivera's arms and shoulders look huge for a BW!

**v1y** · 07-16-12, 02:07 PM

no sympathy for anyone who's ever auto faded someone for being on tuf.

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-16-12, 02:18 PM

That is one big primordial

**gabe** · 07-16-12, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by v1y

no sympathy for anyone who's ever auto faded someone for being on tuf.

Yeah, I would never do that. I loved taking advantage of that Caceres line vs Escovedo, it was like +270. That was such an easy, easy fight for me to predict. I love it everytime I get ridiculous lines line that. Others that come to mind are Jim Hettes vs Nam Phan, Michael Johnson vs Shane Roller, Siver vs Nunes, Siyar vs Thiago, Lavar Johnson vs Joey Beltran, Lavar vs Barry, and Hacran Dias vs Yuri Alcantara, and those are just off the top of my head.

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-16-12, 02:21 PM

What do those fights have to do with tuf
insert vaughany scratch head emoticon

**gabe** · 07-16-12, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

What do those fights have to do with tuf
insert vaughany scratch head emoticon

I wasn't talking about TUF. I was talking about getting unbelievable lines. Mentioned the Caceres play at first as an example then made a segway. Get with the program, buddy.

**gabe** · 07-16-12, 02:24 PM

I'll auto fade certain fighters that have been on TUF, not because they've been on TUF, but because they suck... some TUF fighters I would always think twice before betting against... I think Caceres would be hard to bet against anyone... Kid keeps improving...

**Vaughany** · 07-16-12, 05:21 PM

Yeah I dont fade them because they've been on TUF but because how they performed on TUF and who they faced in TUF. But as is quite clear now fighters can look totally different after TUF whether it be due to not being comfortable on the show, having injuries during the show (for instance Delorme had staph infection jus before the Dillashaw fight), not fighting at their optimum weight during the show, drastically improving during and after the show, etc.. or a combination of all.

**BluntTrauma** · 07-16-12, 09:13 PM

yeah it's tough to get a read on TUF guys. It seems like they improve so much after getting out of the house and they have that time to rest up and train where they're most comfortable before the finale (except for last year). Guys mentioned above seem to be twice as good as they were a year or two ago. It's obvious they'd get better over time, but it just seems they improve at a faster rate than other fighters, probably b/c we get to see them progress through their careers more so than other guys who weren't on TUF.

**TheCalculator** · 07-16-12, 10:24 PM

There's CELL-TECH doing wonders again!!!

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-16-12, 10:36 PM

I don't auto fade TUFers, but love to see skewed odds based on a fighter's popularity / notoriety on that show...

Kimbo and his arthritic legs versus Roufus Sport's Meathead
Jamie Yager and his flashy strikes versus Rich Attonito
etc

But yeah, you gotta keep a level head and monitor TUFers development - Caceres being a prime example; and Brad Tavares has shown a bit as well...

**TheCalculator** · 07-16-12, 11:06 PM

Most of these guys in TUF are raw and literally making amazing progress daily with their skill development. The smart move is to expect radical improvements. The show just accelerates the process even if they lose early. The pressure, the competition and the coaches are magical for these guys.

**gabe** · 07-16-12, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by TheCalculator

There's CELL-TECH doing wonders again!!!

Cell tech? Type of steroid?

**gabe** · 07-17-12, 03:42 AM

oh cell tech is just protein powder and u were just kidding... so ur sure he's roiding? and does that make u wanna bet ON him?

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-17-12, 01:33 PM

"(Chris) Weidman, or the winner of the Cuban vs. (Tim) Boetsch. I'm waiting for my confirmation on the Rio card, see who's gonna be my opponent. Nobody send me anything yet. I believe I'll get an answer on that next week. Muñoz has no guard, he's not a jiu-jitsu fighter. That's a wrestler vs. wrestler match-up, who got to the top position would win. He was tagged, that's it. I don't care what [Weidman's] gonna do. I know what I'm gonna do: Go for the knockout or the submission."

Vitor

**PunisherIND** · 07-17-12, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

"(Chris) Weidman, or the winner of the Cuban vs. (Tim) Boetsch. I'm waiting for my confirmation on the Rio card, see who's gonna be my opponent. Nobody send me anything yet. I believe I'll get an answer on that next week. Muñoz has no guard, he's not a jiu-jitsu fighter. That's a wrestler vs. wrestler match-up, who got to the top position would win. He was tagged, that's it. I don't care what [Weidman's] gonna do. I know what I'm gonna do: Go for the knockout or the submission."

Vitor

lol @ the cuban.

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-17-12, 01:48 PM

Weidman- All in
Rumble aka woodleys mom took vitor down
tito 16 herniate discs took vitor down
weidman passed Damian's guard.

**gabe** · 07-17-12, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Weidman- All in
Rumble aka woodleys mom took vitor down
tito 16 herniate discs took vitor down
weidman passed Damian's guard.

You're surprised Rumble took down a middleweight? lol he can take heavyweights down, dudes a beast. who can stop him when he drives through with a full tank?

but yeah, I'd be all over Weidman, too.

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-17-12, 01:59 PM

No not surprised at all just stating that If Johnson took Vitor down then so will Weidman

**DeFactoCrippler** · 07-17-12, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by TheCalculator

There's CELL-TECH doing wonders again!!!

He could have just got a good pump going from working out with that tire. Probably why they took the pic at that moment.

**The Fobfather** · 07-17-12, 02:19 PM

Vaughany, do the brick & mortar betting shops in the UK (William Hill for example) take bets on MMA as well?

**Vaughany** · 07-17-12, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by The Fobfather

Vaughany, do the brick & mortar betting shops in the UK (William Hill for example) take bets on MMA as well?

Never tried to go in to an actual shop and bet on MMA but I imagine they do...they probably jus copy whats on the site

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-17-12, 04:13 PM

Melvin is playing with snow again

"Things could be entirely different at this stage in my life, if I hadn't beaten Camoes at UFC 148, who knows where I would be right now. Instead, I'm co-headlining a UFC pay-per-view for Mr. Lorenzo and Mr. Dana and all the fans, and in a fight that I think will be the Fight of Night. There is no way that Cerrone can beat me, because for the first time ever, I will be fighting at my full potential. I can't wait for Denver. I want the fight to be this weekend. I'm already in shape and in my mind, and in strategy sessions with my coaches, I've already won the fight ten different ways."

**bjpenn85** · 07-17-12, 04:39 PM

ah fakk no. He is high as a kite on his own dopamin supply again. Just after a rotten victory over camoes. what a nutcase.

**The Fobfather** · 07-17-12, 06:06 PM

If Melvin's already won the fight 10 different ways, Cerrone's won it in at least 20 different ways!

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-18-12, 09:08 AM

Where does everyone see the line for Clements closing?

**scofflaw** · 07-18-12, 12:44 PM

Maybe +115 at the lowest. That's my guess.

I hope the line swings to favor him though. I hit Clements @ +140 with a mid sized bet so I could buy out if/when the Riddle fade arrived in full force. I don't even mind being on Clements at this price if I'm not able to.