UFC Fight Night: Rivera vs. Moraes (June 01, 2018)

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  • Thrilla
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    #176
    Originally posted by Sanity Check
    Tell me what are your thoughts on this:

    ALMATY, Kazakhstan (AP) — Hour upon hour, day upon day, Omir Bekali and other detainees in far western China's new indoctrination camps had to disavow their Islamic beliefs, criticize themselves and their loved ones and give thanks to the ruling Communist Party.


    China may be torturing as many as 900,000 muslims in re-education camps to "cure" them of islam.

    Think it's stupid either execute them like the nazi's did to jews or make it hard for people to learn islam. (Which the Chinese been doing for a long time now against the muslim minorities.) Can't cure a man from his religious beliefs. Dumb and cruel Chinese. Lmao

    No religious freedom in China..... but that's something we all agree on I assume.
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    • Sanity Check
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      • 03-30-13
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      #177
      Originally posted by turbozed
      Also, Till was backing up and trapping Wonderboy against the cage where he specifically did not want to be. He didnt throw that much while WB was there, but that's in the effective striking category. Thats pretty obvious octagon control.
      Till only landed in the 5th with WB against the fence.

      All the other times WB was on the fence Till missed his punches or landed glancing shots which weren't significant.

      Moving forward can be a disadvantage. Points shouldn't be awarded for it. IMO anyway.
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      • Degenregen
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        #178
        Better to lose from liver shot than to have the lights shut out at least. Think the line on Spitz has lost all value at this point, a flier on Harris seems like an ok play. Never like to go big on these heavily juiced lines. Kind of afraid of Harris gassing worse than Spitz, if it goes past one, if it is possible to gas worse than Spitz.
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        • Shagdogy
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          #179
          I don't understand the love for Daniel Spitz that's moving this line significantly for the underdog. I thought Harris was worth the -300 line easy. He is by far the more explosive and powerful athlete, with all of his wins by KO/TKO.

          Spitz is going to try to dance around, fighting a FW gameplan, and he's going to get cornered in this small octagon. Once there, I think he may have enough power to do some damage in round 1, but outside of that his hands slow down and he becomes much less dangerous. If Harris is in shape at all, he should be able to win handily IMO. Let's not forget that Spitz's regional scene competition was horrendous, and he was outclassed by Godbeer for 3rds in his debut. The only win he has is because he grazed the chinniest chin at HW in Anthony Hamilton. Hoping Harris proves me right here because I feel very confident in my read. Only way I see it going south is if Harris chokes it away with horrible gameplan or by coming in out of shape.
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          • JC2008
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            #180
            Originally posted by Degenregen
            Better to lose from liver shot than to have the lights shut out at least. Think the line on Spitz has lost all value at this point, a flier on Harris seems like an ok play. Never like to go big on these heavily juiced lines. Kind of afraid of Harris gassing worse than Spitz, if it goes past one, if it is possible to gas worse than Spitz.
            Well Harris dropped from -350 to -300 to -334 to -286 so...

            - Harris decision +350 or else Spitz destroys him.
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            • Thrilla
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              #181
              Harris W. - Spitz D.

              Next
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              • Sanity Check
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                #182
                Originally posted by Shagdogy
                I don't understand the love for Daniel Spitz that's moving this line significantly for the underdog. I thought Harris was worth the -300 line easy. He is by far the more explosive and powerful athlete, with all of his wins by KO/TKO.
                Spitz could be like a heavyweight version of Michael Chiesa.

                Walt Harris was subbed quickly by Fabricio Werdum. If Spitz has the submission chops his strengths could align with Walt Harris' weaknesses. Have no play here. Let's see how it goes.
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                • Hugo de Naranja
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                  • 04-14-16
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                  #183
                  Live Bet:
                  Harris+Spitz Goes Distance (+180) 1u
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                  • Shagdogy
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                    #184
                    Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                    Live Bet:
                    Harris+Spitz Goes Distance (+180) 1u
                    Good call getting that at plus money. I like it. I wanted to play the o1.5 here and never pulled the trigger. Looks like I prob should have.
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                    • Thrilla
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                      #185
                      Guys under 4.5 rounds in main event is +180.

                      We have bad blood under or inside the distance rule.

                      I hit the over implementing the over friendly rule in Alvey vs. Villante.

                      Sup?
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                      • Degenregen
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                        • 10-15-12
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                        #186
                        Spitz looked absolutely dreadful against Godbeer. He was on another level of gassed that most heavyweights gas at. He was a huge dog against Hamilton, I even took a flier on that. When I saw the opener I wanted to take Spitz again here, just for the chance of getting the quick KO again at that price. Had to take a flier on Harris at -220 closing though.
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                        • PaperTrail07
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                          #187
                          Big ticket finally ended it …...man....get agressive….
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                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                            #188
                            Nice win for Harris!
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                            • Hugo de Naranja
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                              #189
                              Originally posted by Thrilla
                              Guys under 4.5 rounds in main event is +180.

                              We have bad blood under or inside the distance rule.

                              I hit the over implementing the over friendly rule in Alvey vs. Villante.

                              Sup?
                              I like it. Was thinking of adding on that too.
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                              • Shagdogy
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                                #190
                                Too easy. Harris too fast, too powerful, too explosive. Spitz's only shot was to last until the 3rd round and pull something crazy out, but he didn't push the pace even a little bit to try to get Harris to gas.
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                                • Shagdogy
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                                  #191
                                  Originally posted by Thrilla
                                  Guys under 4.5 rounds in main event is +180.

                                  We have bad blood under or inside the distance rule.

                                  I hit the over implementing the over friendly rule in Alvey vs. Villante.

                                  Sup?
                                  Small cage forces the fight too. Not a bad play.
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                                  • Hugo de Naranja
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                                    #192
                                    Originally posted by Degenregen
                                    Spitz looked absolutely dreadful against Godbeer. He was on another level of gassed that most heavyweights gas at. He was a huge dog against Hamilton, I even took a flier on that. When I saw the opener I wanted to take Spitz again here, just for the chance of getting the quick KO again at that price. Had to take a flier on Harris at -220 closing though.
                                    Betting a (-220) favorite is not "taking a flier" lol
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                                    • Hugo de Naranja
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                                      #193
                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                      Small cage forces the fight too. Not a bad play.
                                      You love that small cage my friend.
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                                      • the1yankee
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                                        #194
                                        Like a big grizzly vs a zombie


                                        Grizzly wins, makes em a zombie
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                                        • Shagdogy
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                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                          You love that small cage my friend.
                                          I think it has more of an impact than any other non fighter related factor except maybe altitude. Can you think of any other non fighter factor that can affect a fight more?
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                                          • PaperTrail07
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                                            #196
                                            Flier:

                                            15.00 131.25 MMA Props - M. Moraes vs J. Rivera - Winning Method - Moraes vs Rivera - Rivera wins by 5 rd split/majority dec +875
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                                            • Degenregen
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                                              #197
                                              Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                              Betting a (-220) favorite is not "taking a flier" lol
                                              Depends, what's the definition? Never looked up the definition myself, just assumed it was a small bet. I.E. Something you're comfortable losing.

                                              Probably going to take a flier on Pichel . Just went big on Rivera. Fighting close to home @ even money, I like the bet.
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                                              • turbozed
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                                                #198
                                                Originally posted by Degenregen
                                                Depends, what's the definition? Never looked up the definition myself, just assumed it was a small bet. I.E. Something you're comfortable losing.

                                                Probably going to take a flier on Pichel . Just went big on Rivera. Fighting close to home @ even money, I like the bet.
                                                This would be taking a flier.

                                                Means result picked not expected to win but you bet anyway because you liked the odds.
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                                                • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                  #199
                                                  Added:
                                                  Gillespie Round 1 (+225) .5u
                                                  Gillespie/Pichel Draw (+9500) .1u
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                                                  • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                    #200
                                                    Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                    I think it has more of an impact than any other non fighter related factor except maybe altitude. Can you think of any other non fighter factor that can affect a fight more?
                                                    Home soil.
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                                                    • Thrilla
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                                                      #201
                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                      I think it has more of an impact than any other non fighter related factor except maybe altitude. Can you think of any other non fighter factor that can affect a fight more?
                                                      The crowd. The ref. Edmond Tarverdyan
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                                                      • Shagdogy
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                                                        #202
                                                        Always excited to watch Gillespie fight. He's a different dude, and he brings the damn fight. If Pichel is gonna win this he better KO him.
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                                                        • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                          #203
                                                          Originally posted by turbozed
                                                          This would be taking a flier.

                                                          Means result picked not expected to win but you bet anyway because you liked the odds.
                                                          Exactly.
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                                                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                            #204
                                                            Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                            Always excited to watch Gillespie fight. He's a different dude, and he brings the damn fight. If Pichel is gonna win this he better KO him.
                                                            Was calling him a future champion after the Holbrook fight. Sticking with that prediction.
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                                                            • turbozed
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                                                              #205
                                                              Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                              Guys under 4.5 rounds in main event is +180.

                                                              We have bad blood under or inside the distance rule.

                                                              I hit the over implementing the over friendly rule in Alvey vs. Villante.

                                                              Sup?
                                                              Had no idea the odds were that good for the under. Going to hit this one too
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                                                              • the1yankee
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                                                                #206
                                                                " From hell" headed that way


                                                                DOWN!!!
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                                                                • PaperTrail07
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                                                                  #207
                                                                  see post 196 lol
                                                                  Originally posted by turbozed
                                                                  This would be taking a flier.

                                                                  Means result picked not expected to win but you bet anyway because you liked the odds.
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                                                                  • PaperTrail07
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                                                                    #208
                                                                    torn on the main here....whats the final verdict...leaning moraes…..now +100
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                                                                    • Shagdogy
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                                                                      #209
                                                                      Originally posted by Thrilla
                                                                      The crowd. The ref. Edmond Tarverdyan
                                                                      LOL. Damn. I was going to stick with my statement but then I read your third one... Edmumd. Yeah.
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                                                                      • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                                        #210
                                                                        Live Hedge:
                                                                        Gillespie+Pichel Goes Distance (+100) 1u
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