UFC 214: Cormier vs. Jones 2 (July 29, 2017)

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  • Venom OG
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    • 09-17-11
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    #141
    Originally posted by JIBBBY
    Venom ^^ IDK?

    DC was gassing out big time late in that 1st fight.. Not so sure how much longer he would have survived.. DC is not getting any younger today.. Not sure his cardio has improved either since...

    Never the less it does probably go the distance.. JJ and DC are very hard to finish...

    1003 Cormier / Jones goes 5 round distance -160
    1011 Jones wins by 5 round decision +108
    1047 Jones wins by 5 round unanimous decision +155
    Good points, Cormier is 2.5 years older than he was the last fight, and he was gassed by the 4th. I just don't think 38 is that much different than 36, and even though he was gassed, and he had basically no offense the last two rounds, he still was able to defend well enough to not be anywhere close to being finished. It's hard to see this fight going much differently than the first one. The first three rounds will be close, and then Jones will do what he does and dominate in the championship rounds. All three of those bets ^^ are gold, I posted the least risky one, but I bet all three and fully expect them all to cash.
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    • PaperTrail07
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      • 08-29-08
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      #142
      Just rewatch that punch from Woodley.....Early in fight...fresh....I mean that's POWER......cowboy does not even try to land shots like that...
      Originally posted by Shagdogy
      Hope you're right Paper. As a fan, I want to see a slugfest and Cerrone has never been one to fight strategic rather than giving the fans what they want. I think these guys are gonna bang, so I'm putting a little on Lawlor TKO plus money.
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      • Hugo de Naranja
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        #143
        Originally posted by PaperTrail07
        Just rewatch that punch from Woodley.....Early in fight...fresh....I mean that's POWER......cowboy does not even try to land shots like that...
        Cerrone's not a great puncher but he has some of the best kicks in the sport.
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        • PaperTrail07
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          #144
          There is a chance Lawlers chin>Cerrone's Kick LOL...kidding...I know but I bet he is a little cautious to be tossing kicks up top on lawler...
          Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
          Cerrone's not a great puncher but he has some of the best kicks in the sport.
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          • Sirius
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            • 01-03-13
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            #145
            Am currently seriously considering:

            Barao by decision
            Manuwa starts round 2
            Carneiro by decision

            @ +911

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            • Hugo de Naranja
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              #146
              Originally posted by Sirius
              Am currently seriously considering:

              Barao by decision
              Manuwa starts round 2
              Carneiro by decision@ +911
              Not a bad idea
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              • Catchn_Picks
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                • 09-02-11
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                #147
                Originally posted by Venom OG
                Jones-Cormier over 4.5 -162. Bet of the year so far. If the fight was 10 rounds, it would probably still go the distance. Both guys are so good defensively. If you watch the last fight, there was no point where anyone was even close to being finished. And of course, neither guy has ever been finished in his career -- that's 26 total fights in UFC between the two fighters. If AJ couldn't knock Cormier out, then Jones definitely can't. (A head kick, or elbows from the top, as another poster pointed out, would be the only possibilities, and both are extremely unlikely.) A Jones submission win is almost impossible -- Cormier's defense is too good, and his neck is too large. Cormier by submission is also virtually impossible -- even is he gets Jones down, he has basically no chance of keeping him down for more than 1.5 seconds, and a stand up choke is going to be impossible to keep in with his short fat arms against Jones' great defense (Jones easily got out of one last fight). Cormier by KO is virtually the only way this fight could end early, and that has probably not even a 5% chance of happening -- Jones took a few shots last fight but was never hurt. These odds should be at least -500. Such a great value spot.
                All true. Excellent points. But...I can't imagine a scenario that DC wins a decision. How is that possible? No points on the ground...short arms. DC will bet out hit and out kicked.

                Jones by DEC is +108. Seems like good value.
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                • JIBBBY
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                  • 12-10-09
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                  #148
                  Originally posted by Venom OG
                  Good points, Cormier is 2.5 years older than he was the last fight, and he was gassed by the 4th. I just don't think 38 is that much different than 36, and even though he was gassed, and he had basically no offense the last two rounds, he still was able to defend well enough to not be anywhere close to being finished. It's hard to see this fight going much differently than the first one. The first three rounds will be close, and then Jones will do what he does and dominate in the championship rounds. All three of those bets ^^ are gold, I posted the least risky one, but I bet all three and fully expect them all to cash.
                  All 3 will probably land.. That's why I posted them up..
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                  • mdunlap3
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                    #149
                    Anyone else liking DC?
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                    • Hugo de Naranja
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                      #150
                      Originally posted by mdunlap3
                      Anyone else liking DC?
                      I'm not. What do you see as his path to victory?
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                      • Sirius
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                        • 01-03-13
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                        #151
                        What the hellll was that look on Lawler's face (at the live weigh in)?
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                        • Sirius
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                          #152
                          Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                          Not a bad idea
                          GL
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                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                            #153
                            Originally posted by Sirius
                            What the hellll was that look on Lawler's face (at the live weigh in)?
                            He always has weird expressions lol
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                            • mdunlap3
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                              #154
                              Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                              I'm not. What do you see as his path to victory?
                              Few things: I recently rewatched their first fight. It was actually a lot closer than I remembered it being...felt DC could have actually won it if he would have kept the same pace he had early throughout. I also think that DC is the better wrestler(yes I know Jon took him down seemingly at will in their last fight), I think DC is going to win the wrestling battle, which I think the fight will predominantly be. A grappling match. I also like the fact that DC has actually been fighting consistently and has been the champ now for awhile. He's been fighting the best in the world might I add. Jon been in and out of the game for years now. Finally, I think all of the pressure is on Jon and it's gonna get to him. The entire community is expecting him to come in and win. He's a pretty comfortable favorite here for a title challenger coming off a USADA suspension. Feels like DC is playing with house money, he can just be free and go out there and fight.
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                              • Sirius
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                                #155
                                10-15+ takedowns will be needed for DC to get a debatable decision...otherwise he needs to finish his opponent
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                                • Sirius
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                                  #156
                                  No bet on fight so just as an observer...I liked seeing John's emotion and DC looks like the angry one at the live weigh in that loses. Finish John or lose - 25 minutes to get'm out of there

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                                  • JIBBBY
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                                    #157
                                    Anderson Silva thinks JJ is gonna spank DC..
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                                    • brooks85
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                                      #158
                                      lol that is messed up at the end haha

                                      jones "hope he is somewhere crying" and then they cut to DC crying lol that's cold




                                      lol jones just got all buddy-buddy with dana after talking all the shit about not pretending they are friends anymore
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                                      • Hugo de Naranja
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                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by mdunlap3
                                        Few things: I recently rewatched their first fight. It was actually a lot closer than I remembered it being...felt DC could have actually won it if he would have kept the same pace he had early throughout. I also think that DC is the better wrestler(yes I know Jon took him down seemingly at will in their last fight), I think DC is going to win the wrestling battle, which I think the fight will predominantly be. A grappling match. I also like the fact that DC has actually been fighting consistently and has been the champ now for awhile. He's been fighting the best in the world might I add. Jon been in and out of the game for years now. Finally, I think all of the pressure is on Jon and it's gonna get to him. The entire community is expecting him to come in and win. He's a pretty comfortable favorite here for a title challenger coming off a USADA suspension. Feels like DC is playing with house money, he can just be free and go out there and fight.
                                        All decent points. I felt their first fight was competitive but not close. By that I mean, Cormier had his moments in every round. He certainly won one round (R2), and you could maybe argue that that he won two (R3 was tight). In my opinion, there is no argument that Cormier won the first fight. I also think it is very unlikely that he can maintain his early pace in the later rounds of the rematch. Part of Jones' strategy was doing lots of body work and clinch striking in the early rounds in order to slow Cormier down in the later rounds. Throughout his career, Jones has been great in the championship rounds and I see that trend continuing here.

                                        I'm not sure what you've seen to consider DC the better wrestler after this was seemingly proved false in their first fight. Am I missing something there?

                                        For his part, Jones has been improving his grappling/BJJ game tirelessly. He absolutely bossed Hendo in their Submission Underground grappling match.

                                        I think the points you make about DC being active and fighting top competition are solid. I do expect Jones to have some rust since he's been out for awhile. The flipside of that argument is that he has taken plenty of damage in those fights while Jones has been on the sidelines. His first fight with Rumble, and his Gustafsson fight saw Cormier getting dropped and facing lots of adversity before eventually getting the win.

                                        Lastly, I agree that the pressure is on Jones since lots of people are picking him and expecting him to win. However, I think he has always performed very well under pressure and come through in the rare times he has faced adversity (i.e. Gus fight).
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                                        • Shagdogy
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                                          #160
                                          A couple of observations from the weigh ins:
                                          1. Ortega rocking the socks with sandals. Glad I bet on Moicano.
                                          2. Wtf was that with Cerrone/Lawlor? Did they just agree to look like they don't give a crap? I think it was a joke. I think?
                                          3. Maia actually looked a decent amount bigger than Woodley. His height and frame and bone structure... good size.
                                          4. Jon Jones seemed a little off, almost like he had to get a little drunk just to get himself out on that stage. Still looked huge next to DC. That fight has me puzzled. I just hope it's a good fight. Gotta say as a fan I think I'm slightly rooting for DC.
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                                          • Hugo de Naranja
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                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by brooks85
                                            lol that is messed up at the end haha

                                            jones "hope he is somewhere crying" and then they cut to DC crying lol that's cold




                                            lol jones just got all buddy-buddy with dana after talking all the shit about not pretending they are friends anymore
                                            I noticed that. Must be a strange relationship
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                                            • JIBBBY
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                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                              A couple of observations from the weigh ins:
                                              1. Ortega rocking the socks with sandals. Glad I bet on Moicano.
                                              2. Wtf was that with Cerrone/Lawlor? Did they just agree to look like they don't give a crap? I think it was a joke. I think?
                                              3. Maia actually looked a decent amount bigger than Woodley. His height and frame and bone structure... good size.
                                              4. Jon Jones seemed a little off, almost like he had to get a little drunk just to get himself out on that stage. Still looked huge next to DC. That fight has me puzzled. I just hope it's a good fight. Gotta say as a fan I think I'm slightly rooting for DC.
                                              JJ is the bigger man next to DC.. Ton of reach, youth, and he should win..

                                              Maia is the bigger guy also but it should be the speed and quickness of TWood that will really be the difference in this fight unfortunately..

                                              I just don't see how Maia is gonna to be able to grab or get Woodley down and use his size and ground skills.. If it stays standing Maia will hang for a bit but not for 5 rounds.. He'll get caught, dropped and stopped eventually most likely..

                                              All it can take is one take down from Maia though!!!!
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                                              • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                JJ is the bigger man next to DC.. Ton of reach, youth, and he should win..

                                                Maia is the bigger guy also but it should be the speed and quickness of TWood that will really be the difference in this fight unfortunately..

                                                I just don't see how Maia is gonna to be able to grab or get Woodley down and use his size and ground skills.. If it stays standing Maia will hang for a bit but not for 5 rounds.. He'll get caught, dropped and stopped eventually most likely..
                                                Turning your back on your boy I see Jibs. Maia only been finished once in his entire career (TRT Marquardt)
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                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                  Turning your back on your boy I see Jibs. Maia only been finished once in his entire career (TRT Marquardt)
                                                  Nope, I'm hedged with the Maia Sub prop just in case and I'll be rooting for him...
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                                                  • Shagdogy
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                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                    JJ is the bigger man next to DC.. Ton of reach, youth, and he should win..

                                                    Maia is the bigger guy also but it should be the speed and quickness of TWood that will really be the difference in this fight unfortunately..

                                                    I just don't see how Maia is gonna to be able to grab or get Woodley down and use his size and ground skills.. If it stays standing Maia will hang for a bit but not for 5 rounds.. He'll get caught, dropped and stopped eventually most likely..

                                                    All it can take is one take down from Maia though!!!!
                                                    He might prove me wrong but I don't think Maia will get an singles, doubles, or trips on Woodley. I think maybe he will transition to his back from standing position and climb on like a backpack. That's the position I'm afraid of. Woodley better have drilled distance, footwork, avoiding the cage, and TDD this camp. Brush up all of his defense because if you take the takedown away from Maia he can't win.
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                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                      #166
                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                      He might prove me wrong but I don't think Maia will get an singles, doubles, or trips on Woodley. I think maybe he will transition to his back from standing position and climb on like a backpack. That's the position I'm afraid of. Woodley better have drilled distance, footwork, avoiding the cage, and TDD this camp. Brush up all of his defense because if you take the takedown away from Maia he can't win.
                                                      Maia has improved over the years with his stand up.. He really doesn't get punked standing in fights anymore, but he uses his striking mainly to set up his take downs or work into a clinch position against the cage..

                                                      If Maia can get Woodley against the cage before he's gassed out that will be to Maia's advantage maybe.. Still not convinced Maia can get the TD on Woodley even in the clinch against the cage, it's a tall order against the athletic, quick and strong Woodley.

                                                      Woodley has top notch TD defense and his wrestling is very solid to boot.. I don't think I've ever seen Woodley be taken down ever in the Octagon.. Fighters don't even try because they know..

                                                      Maia will certainly try though!!
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                                                      • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                        #167
                                                        Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                        He might prove me wrong but I don't think Maia will get an singles, doubles, or trips on Woodley. I think maybe he will transition to his back from standing position and climb on like a backpack. That's the position I'm afraid of. Woodley better have drilled distance, footwork, avoiding the cage, and TDD this camp. Brush up all of his defense because if you take the takedown away from Maia he can't win.
                                                        Maia by Spinning Heel Kick, Vitor style
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                                                        • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                          Maia has improved over the years with his stand up.. He really doesn't get punked standing in fights anymore, but he uses his striking mainly to set up his take downs or work into a clinch position against the cage..

                                                          If Maia can get Woodley against the cage before he's gassed out that will be to Maia's advantage maybe.. Still not convinced Maia can get the TD on Woodley even in the clinch against the cage, it's a tall order against the athletic, quick and strong Woodley.

                                                          Woodley has top notch TD defense and his wrestling is very solid to boot.. I don't think I've ever seen Woodley be taken down ever in the Octagon.. Fighters don't even try because they know..
                                                          MacDonald got him down once but I think that was it
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                                                          • JIBBBY
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                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                            MacDonald got him down once but I think that was it
                                                            Did he? I don't remember..
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                                                            • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                              Did he? I don't remember..
                                                              Yup
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                                                              • Shagdogy
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                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                                Maia by Spinning Heel Kick, Vitor style
                                                                Side bet?
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                                                                • Shagdogy
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                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                  Maia has improved over the years with his stand up.. He really doesn't get punked standing in fights anymore, but he uses his striking mainly to set up his take downs or work into a clinch position against the cage..

                                                                  If Maia can get Woodley against the cage before he's gassed out that will be to Maia's advantage maybe.. Still not convinced Maia can get the TD on Woodley even in the clinch against the cage, it's a tall order against the athletic, quick and strong Woodley.

                                                                  Woodley has top notch TD defense and his wrestling is very solid to boot.. I don't think I've ever seen Woodley be taken down ever in the Octagon.. Fighters don't even try because they know..

                                                                  Maia will certainly try though!!
                                                                  Agreed Maia doesn't get punked in standup but he's not offensive enough to win. Wonder boy couldn't do better than stalemate Woodley in a striking contest. Maia is not going to outpoint him in a striking contest unless somehow he hurts him and Woodley doesn't have his wits for the majority of the fight. If that happens then Maia will just sub him though.
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                                                                  • Shagdogy
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                                                                    #173
                                                                    Jason Knight has so many uncoachable advantages: prime improvement age, length, southpaw stance, flexibility, grit... usually these factors would add considerable confidence to a fighter that I have favored to win. In this fight I have it capped even, but these factors might be enough to get me to stab at Knight small anyway.
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                      Agreed Maia doesn't get punked in standup but he's not offensive enough to win. Wonder boy couldn't do better than stalemate Woodley in a striking contest. Maia is not going to outpoint him in a striking contest unless somehow he hurts him and Woodley doesn't have his wits for the majority of the fight. If that happens then Maia will just sub him though.
                                                                      Maybe Maia does have enough boxing and defense to survive T-Woods striking early on and round after round.. After all Masvidal couldn't knock out Maia when they were standing but that was only 3 rounds.. We'll see????

                                                                      I'm sure Woodley won't be that aggressive standing either as he will be looking to defend the Maia take downs first.. That always makes a fighters offensive striking slow down..

                                                                      You gotta consider when Woodley fought Robbie Lawlor and knocked him out, Woodley didn't have to worry about being taken down by Ruthless Robbie so he could blitz forward throwing bombs.. Can't do that against Maia... Maia will time it and dip under that aggression and grab the legs for a take down.

                                                                      Last edited by JIBBBY; 07-29-17, 12:05 AM.
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                                                                      • firekillex
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                                                                        #175
                                                                        maias stand up is dog shit lol... anytime he is standing with somebody he gets tagged up instantly ....
                                                                        if tyron can stuff the takedowns he wins , if maia gets him down maia wins.... thats basically the entire fight imo
                                                                        if the fight stays standing tyron will eat maia alive, cant see tyron surviving the ground from maia either
                                                                        advantage goes tyron , people saying hes shorter will actually help him stuff takedowns being at a lower center of gravity
                                                                        tyron woodley round 1-2 KO
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