Its only one fight though, and as a bettor when you look at the card is this not one of the close/be careful fights? - I won on this with my pre picks but lost live it sucked, but it was ONE fight out of many and looking at it prefight it was a close one, just how it ended - close. Dont lose sleep over it, if you are your betting on the wrong fights.
ufc on fx 8: belfort vs rockhold (5.18.13)
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SykesSBR MVP
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#526Comment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#527Its only one fight though, and as a bettor when you look at the card is this not one of the close/be careful fights? - I won on this with my pre picks but lost live it sucked, but it was ONE fight out of many and looking at it prefight it was a close one, just how it ended - close. Dont lose sleep over it, if you are your betting on the wrong fights.Comment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
- 02-09-08
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#528When u read the lines for the fights that one jumped out like a sore thumb. Why again did useless takedowns count in the Carmont Larkin fight but they didn't count in the Duhnam/Dos Santos fight? The common denominator here is where the big money side was. That side got fuked yet that side won both those fights. It is why Frankie Edgar always gets fuked and Ben Henderson wins. Nobody bets Henderson yet he gets all close decisions. Good luck betting Showtime over Aldo. Showtime doesn't get a knockout he will get the royal fukin.Comment -
SykesSBR MVP
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#529Look dude im sure there is a tinfoil hat shop on ebay. Im not saying you bet the wrong fights what im saying is there are better fights to bet on - if your getting pissed over that fight I feel bad for ya - I got stung live on it too. Pre fight it was a close fight no need to risk money on it period so really you should not have lost to much on it. If you did id be repeating myself.Comment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#530Look dude im sure there is a tinfoil hat shop on ebay. Im not saying you bet the wrong fights what im saying is there are better fights to bet on - if your getting pissed over that fight I feel bad for ya - I got stung live on it too. Pre fight it was a close fight no need to risk money on it period so really you should not have lost to much on it. If you did id be repeating myself.Do you need a bookie?
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SykesSBR MVP
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#531nope, ill gladly show you the best ones for this, tell you all you need to know about them and shit like that.Comment -
SykesSBR MVP
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#532Its only one fight though, and as a bettor when you look at the card is this not one of the close/be careful fights? - I won on this with my pre picks but lost live it sucked, but it was ONE fight out of many and looking at it prefight it was a close one, just how it ended - close. Dont lose sleep over it, if you are your betting on the wrong fights.Comment -
eligibletackleSBR High Roller
- 12-20-11
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#533still dumbfounded about ppl taking rockhold at fav oddsComment -
raagSBR Hustler
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#534I took Rockhold but hedged it with Vitor by KO at the last minute. Obviously I'm glad I did.
There were a lot of aspects of the matchup which made Rockhold look favourable:
- Rockhold has a versatile, varied kicking game which Vitor has been shown to have issues with in the past
- Rockhold is huge, strong, and rangey
- Rockhold has good takedowns and a good top game, Vitor has shown vulnerability to wrestlers before
- Rockhold has good cardio and can go 5 rounds at a good pace. Vitor has had repeated issues with going into 'survival mode' and with gassing if the fight does not go his way early
Of course, Vitor has killer power and speed, and he showed that in the fight. But Rockhold really did have a chance to win, it just wasn't his night. Who the hell predicted Vitor spinning heel kicking Rockhold out?Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#535Me too. He didn't beat Jacre in my mind. And Jacre, especially then wasn't some striker who could end a fight or work enough. Really Rockholds best actual win is Tim Kennedy. And somehow he was the favorite vs. the #2 or #3 MW who has been on a tear. A Brazilian main eventing a Brazil card who pumps himself full of testosterone. A man with better hands, faster hands, more experience, good enough TDD. Oh and Rockhold's first UFC fight...Rockhold had nothing going for him other than the fact he would be fresher if it got to the 4th.Comment -
DonnyMcslickSBR Hustler
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#536Disagree. I think Belfort is an extremely lacking striker. He has poor set-ups, poor combinations, and really just relies on blitzing people. He's never been a good boxer. To say he's "added kicks" because he threw kicks against Bisping is misleading, too. Any healthy human can throw a kick. His kicks looked pretty bad in that fight.Comment -
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Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#538when looking at the video of that kick it was very impressive. Luke didn't know if he was gonna get hit with a punch, a front elbow, a swinging back fist or elbow, or the kick. The speed dictated it all. Crazy to think otherwise. Everyone keeps looking for the Belfort of old who basically crumbles under pressure. This is a different Vitor. What separates him from the young guys is that he feels like the young guys but with a whole boat of experience they don't have. That is the big advantage with roids let alone how it make you feel.Comment -
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#539when looking at the video of that kick it was very impressive. Luke didn't know if he was gonna get hit with a punch, a front elbow, a swinging back fist or elbow, or the kick. The speed dictated it all. Crazy to think otherwise. Everyone keeps looking for the Belfort of old who basically crumbles under pressure. This is a different Vitor. What separates him from the young guys is that he feels like the young guys but with a whole boat of experience they don't have. That is the big advantage with roids let alone how it make you feel.
One thing that I did like about the kick was that both times he threw it, he threw it towards the left side of Rockhold's face. He historically lacks as many weapons with his right hand as he possesses with his left, so that was a nice tough.Comment -
sideloadedSBR Hall of Famer
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#540when looking at the video of that kick it was very impressive. Luke didn't know if he was gonna get hit with a punch, a front elbow, a swinging back fist or elbow, or the kick. The speed dictated it all. Crazy to think otherwise. Everyone keeps looking for the Belfort of old who basically crumbles under pressure. This is a different Vitor. What separates him from the young guys is that he feels like the young guys but with a whole boat of experience they don't have. That is the big advantage with roids let alone how it make you feel.
It's not a different belfort. Call me up when he wins a war and shows heart and pulls it out in the 5th round. Mother f-cker is on synthetic testostorone knocking f-ckers out in the first or early second rounds.Comment -
The iron sheikSBR MVP
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#542haven't even watched the fight yet (on vacation, kind of) but at least Vitor scored. Should have put more in on this.Comment -
SykesSBR MVP
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#543I was not keen on betting on this one but looking back on it it was one of my best in a long time. Roll on next week it should be great. Sry if I was an ass to any of you last night its all part of the fun!Comment -
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#544Someone asked me if Vitor should be top 10 pound-for-pound now, and it just reminded me of how much bullshit the pound-for-pound lists are, because Hendricks isn't a universal top 10. He has a better resumé than some of the champs, and is clearly the most accomplished fighter without a title in the UFC. How many consecutive top five wins does he have? Four?Comment -
SacreliciousSBR Hall of Famer
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#545Someone asked me if Vitor should be top 10 pound-for-pound now, and it just reminded me of how much bullshit the pound-for-pound lists are, because Hendricks isn't a universal top 10. He has a better resumé than some of the champs, and is clearly the most accomplished fighter without a title in the UFC. How many consecutive top five wins does he have? Four?
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Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#546id call ya but he is waxing everyone now. Heck at the weigh in with Silva it looked liked Anderson hurt his feelings. Now at present weigh ins he got balls the size of cantaloupes. His nipples look like they are ready to explode. Dana loves this shit. He could give a shit about TRT and his phony rage. Taking roids out of baseball is killing it.Comment -
sideloadedSBR Hall of Famer
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#547id call ya but he is waxing everyone now. Heck at the weigh in with Silva it looked liked Anderson hurt his feelings. Now at present weigh ins he got balls the size of cantaloupes. His nipples look like they are ready to explode. Dana loves this shit. He could give a shit about TRT and his phony rage. Taking roids out of baseball is killing it.Comment -
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#548For a guy like belfort with no heart, and no balls, TRT is the shitt. In his own heard he has already won. He will continue to KO people in the first round on it. Hell am thinking about starting myself.Comment -
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#549own headComment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#550Brock when he was at his roided highness lol
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eligibletackleSBR High Roller
- 12-20-11
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#551people claim TRT b/c Vitor finished him too soon - but if Rockhold worked him to a UD ppl would also be saying vitor gassed b/c of it and rockhold was the smart play.
This was beyond a mismatch and I won't know and also won't care how/why Rockhold was a favorite. If you examined Befort's technique enough to sh*t on it and then reasoned as to bet against in it means:
A) you did too much due diligence for naught; and/or
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#552people claim TRT b/c Vitor finished him too soon - but if Rockhold worked him to a UD ppl would also be saying vitor gassed b/c of it and rockhold was the smart play.
This was beyond a mismatch and I won't know and also won't care how/why Rockhold was a favorite. If you examined Befort's technique enough to sh*t on it and then reasoned as to bet against in it means:
A) you did too much due diligence for naught; and/or
B) the DD you performed was pretty sh*tty
Anyway, good work with your bet. I was on Rockhold but I saw the argument for Vitor, too. Definitely not a fluke, I thought Rockhold should be around -250 and even I thought that if Rockhold lost it'd be in spectacular fashion.Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#553
You say Belfort lacks as a striker. Probably because he wasn't "versatile" enough....or went in attack mode often and made him look like a brawler. No, he is actually decently technical when he wants to be for an MMA fighter. Belfort is effective as hell. I call that good. I don't give 2 craps about if Rockhold looks technically better. None of that mattered.
He just headkicked 2 "technical" strikers in a row. Yet you want to pass it off as rather "luck" because of how he set it up. I'll take effective. And Belfort has been much more effective vs. better opponents. Plus he was in Brazil. And on TRT. I don't see how you would make the same bet again....
You did well and are a good capper. But Rockhold was totally the wrong side.Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#554And that is what people who bet ROckhold should have realized BEFORE the fight. The fight was in Brazil and he was full of TRT. It was widely known before the fight. You had a guy that was very hittable, making his UFC debut in Brazil, vs. a Brazilian, full of TRT, who hits hard and knows how to finish. Who isn't some novice grappler. Hmmm..Comment -
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#555People generally don't gas because they're on testosterone. You can gas because of muscle mass gained due to testosterone, but in general, testosterone will just make you better at whatever you're doing. If Belfort were running on a treadmill on TRT, he'd become a faster runner who could run for longer. If he's actively training his cardio, it would improve.
Anyway, good work with your bet. I was on Rockhold but I saw the argument for Vitor, too. Definitely not a fluke, I thought Rockhold should be around -250 and even I thought that if Rockhold lost it'd be in spectacular fashion.You said Belfort has iffy standup. But compared to who???? Tyrone Spong? Or Luke Rockhold. If Belfort doesn't have good standup ...then what would you call Rockhold's awful defense and weak flashy strikes? He looked scared to stand with Vitor and shot for a crappy TD (which was easily stuffed). Did you have him beating Jacre? I didn't. We just saw what Belfort did to Bisping...a cardio guy, who throws some kicks, and likes to stay at range, but has iffy defense. So what made you think Rockhold faired so much better??? Rockhold looked like a scared kid in there. His only real way of winning was surviving and hoping Vitor gasses with enough time to steal the last 3 rounds. How else did you see him winning? Vitor has been stopped twice since 2005. Once by a perfect kick from the sports best. And the other from a beating at the ahnds of a prime phenom and maybe soon to be best ever. It took Jon almost 4 rounds to finish him. So Rockhold in your opinion had an ok shot at finishing Belfort? A guy who has finished much of no one relevant?
You say Belfort lacks as a striker. Probably because he wasn't "versatile" enough....or went in attack mode often and made him look like a brawler. No, he is actually decently technical when he wants to be for an MMA fighter. Belfort is effective as hell. I call that good. I don't give 2 craps about if Rockhold looks technically better. None of that mattered.
He just headkicked 2 "technical" strikers in a row. Yet you want to pass it off as rather "luck" because of how he set it up. I'll take effective. And Belfort has been much more effective vs. better opponents. Plus he was in Brazil. And on TRT. I don't see how you would make the same bet again....
You did well and are a good capper. But Rockhold was totally the wrong side.
Thanks, appreciate the compliment. I disagree that Rockhold was the wrong side.Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#556
So again, in regards to who? I just feel your critique and analysis of Belfort's overall skillset was 10 fold that of the attention and nitpicking you could have done with Rockhold. What part of Rockhold's defense or reflexes are good for striking? He does some technical things, but his execution or tendencies are lacking much technique. Like Bisping, he is built to win decisions or accumulate a lot of damage through constant pressure and thrown strikes. That is all well and good vs. a slow fighter. Or if you yourself can avoid damage. Rockhold had neither going for him.
What part of Brazil/potential TRT exemption did you factor into capping? Or is that usually a non-factor for you?Last edited by Rubber Guard; 05-19-13, 09:17 PM.Comment -
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#557And that is what people who bet ROckhold should have realized BEFORE the fight. The fight was in Brazil and he was full of TRT. It was widely known before the fight. You had a guy that was very hittable, making his UFC debut in Brazil, vs. a Brazilian, full of TRT, who hits hard and knows how to finish. Who isn't some novice grappler. Hmmm..Comment -
Thor4140SBR Posting Legend
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#558
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MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#559
I know what you wrote. Doesn't mean that is the tone of all your posts. When you say "well how did he set that kick up" isn't that implying that the kick itself was impressive, but there was no real rhyme or reason to it? And Vitor lacked technique in some way. What does "technique wasn't amazing" really mean? Compared to who in MMA? Which good fighters have shown amazing technique and what are some example. Yea, some guys like Anderson and Aldo have nice technique. But very few MMA fighters have and/or display great technique much of fights. Things get sloppy early and often in even matchups between 2 usually technical strikers.
So again, in regards to who? I just feel your critique and analysis of Belfort's overall skillset was 10 fold that of the attention and nitpicking you could have done with Rockhold. What part of Rockhold's defense or reflexes are good for striking? He does some technical things, but his execution or tendencies are lacking much technique. Like Bisping, he is built to win decisions or accumulate a lot of damage through constant pressure and thrown strikes. That is all well and good vs. a slow fighter. Or if you yourself can avoid damage. Rockhold had neither going for him.
What part of Brazil/potential TRT exemption did you factor into capping? Or is that usually a non-factor for you?
So again, in regards to who? I just feel your critique and analysis of Belfort's overall skillset was 10 fold that of the attention and nitpicking you could have done with Rockhold. What part of Rockhold's defense or reflexes are good for striking? He does some technical things, but his execution or tendencies are lacking much technique. Like Bisping, he is built to win decisions or accumulate a lot of damage through constant pressure and thrown strikes. That is all well and good vs. a slow fighter. Or if you yourself can avoid damage. Rockhold had neither going for him.
I don't expect you to have much of an argument, but at least try to phrase it properly. The number of times you've taken the time out of your day to try and post something in an attempt to insult me, blatantly or otherwise, is mind-boggling, especially for someone who says that I spend too much time on SBR. The only reason I'm even replying to you is because you said something to me without being obviously furious like you normally are. This conversation will go like every one of ours does; you'll get mad, start acting like an idiot, and I'll ignore your posts.Comment -
Rubber GuardSBR MVP
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#560
I get that you hedged with Belfort by KO. But Belfort was almost hedgable with Rockhold by Dec To me he had just as few ways of winning as Belfort did. He really has done few things to think he will be any kind of finisher while facing top UFC middleweights. Skeleton Jardine is easily his best finish of his career.
Na, I'm not mad. You look like you are on tilt tho. I'm just discussing gambling and asking questions.Comment
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