Its only one fight though, and as a bettor when you look at the card is this not one of the close/be careful fights? - I won on this with my pre picks but lost live it sucked, but it was ONE fight out of many and looking at it prefight it was a close one, just how it ended - close. Dont lose sleep over it, if you are your betting on the wrong fights.
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and u are a blind idiot. Every swinging dik out there jumped on that almost two to 1 dog and they were right in doing so but there is cheating involved and the public looks bad again like they somehow don't know how to cap fights when they actually had it right. And i didn't bet the fight u nitwit. Why would i bet a fight i think will be rigged? if anything i would have took Dos Santos but u always have to worry about a knockout. Im betting the wrong fights lol. Wow. Just wow.Comment -
When u read the lines for the fights that one jumped out like a sore thumb. Why again did useless takedowns count in the Carmont Larkin fight but they didn't count in the Duhnam/Dos Santos fight? The common denominator here is where the big money side was. That side got fuked yet that side won both those fights. It is why Frankie Edgar always gets fuked and Ben Henderson wins. Nobody bets Henderson yet he gets all close decisions. Good luck betting Showtime over Aldo. Showtime doesn't get a knockout he will get the royal fukin.Comment -
Look dude im sure there is a tinfoil hat shop on ebay. Im not saying you bet the wrong fights what im saying is there are better fights to bet on - if your getting pissed over that fight I feel bad for ya - I got stung live on it too. Pre fight it was a close fight no need to risk money on it period so really you should not have lost to much on it. If you did id be repeating myself.Comment -
nope, ill gladly show you the best ones for this, tell you all you need to know about them and shit like that.Comment -
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I took Rockhold but hedged it with Vitor by KO at the last minute. Obviously I'm glad I did.
There were a lot of aspects of the matchup which made Rockhold look favourable:
- Rockhold has a versatile, varied kicking game which Vitor has been shown to have issues with in the past
- Rockhold is huge, strong, and rangey
- Rockhold has good takedowns and a good top game, Vitor has shown vulnerability to wrestlers before
- Rockhold has good cardio and can go 5 rounds at a good pace. Vitor has had repeated issues with going into 'survival mode' and with gassing if the fight does not go his way early
Of course, Vitor has killer power and speed, and he showed that in the fight. But Rockhold really did have a chance to win, it just wasn't his night. Who the hell predicted Vitor spinning heel kicking Rockhold out?Comment -
Me too. He didn't beat Jacre in my mind. And Jacre, especially then wasn't some striker who could end a fight or work enough. Really Rockholds best actual win is Tim Kennedy. And somehow he was the favorite vs. the #2 or #3 MW who has been on a tear. A Brazilian main eventing a Brazil card who pumps himself full of testosterone. A man with better hands, faster hands, more experience, good enough TDD. Oh and Rockhold's first UFC fight...Rockhold had nothing going for him other than the fact he would be fresher if it got to the 4th.Comment -
Disagree. I think Belfort is an extremely lacking striker. He has poor set-ups, poor combinations, and really just relies on blitzing people. He's never been a good boxer. To say he's "added kicks" because he threw kicks against Bisping is misleading, too. Any healthy human can throw a kick. His kicks looked pretty bad in that fight.
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when looking at the video of that kick it was very impressive. Luke didn't know if he was gonna get hit with a punch, a front elbow, a swinging back fist or elbow, or the kick. The speed dictated it all. Crazy to think otherwise. Everyone keeps looking for the Belfort of old who basically crumbles under pressure. This is a different Vitor. What separates him from the young guys is that he feels like the young guys but with a whole boat of experience they don't have. That is the big advantage with roids let alone how it make you feel.Comment -
I agree completely with you there; he definitely fights differently to how he used to, and the speed did play a huge role.
One thing that I did like about the kick was that both times he threw it, he threw it towards the left side of Rockhold's face. He historically lacks as many weapons with his right hand as he possesses with his left, so that was a nice tough.Comment -
haven't even watched the fight yet (on vacation, kind of) but at least Vitor scored. Should have put more in on this.Comment -
I was not keen on betting on this one but looking back on it it was one of my best in a long time. Roll on next week it should be great. Sry if I was an ass to any of you last night its all part of the fun!
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Someone asked me if Vitor should be top 10 pound-for-pound now, and it just reminded me of how much bullshit the pound-for-pound lists are, because Hendricks isn't a universal top 10. He has a better resumé than some of the champs, and is clearly the most accomplished fighter without a title in the UFC. How many consecutive top five wins does he have? Four?Comment -
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id call ya but he is waxing everyone now. Heck at the weigh in with Silva it looked liked Anderson hurt his feelings. Now at present weigh ins he got balls the size of cantaloupes. His nipples look like they are ready to explode. Dana loves this shit. He could give a shit about TRT and his phony rage. Taking roids out of baseball is killing it.Comment -
For a guy like belfort with no heart, and no balls, TRT is the shitt. In his own heard he has already won. He will continue to KO people in the first round on it. Hell am thinking about starting myself.Comment -
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Brock when he was at his roided highness lol
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people claim TRT b/c Vitor finished him too soon - but if Rockhold worked him to a UD ppl would also be saying vitor gassed b/c of it and rockhold was the smart play.
This was beyond a mismatch and I won't know and also won't care how/why Rockhold was a favorite. If you examined Befort's technique enough to sh*t on it and then reasoned as to bet against in it means:
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People generally don't gas because they're on testosterone. You can gas because of muscle mass gained due to testosterone, but in general, testosterone will just make you better at whatever you're doing. If Belfort were running on a treadmill on TRT, he'd become a faster runner who could run for longer. If he's actively training his cardio, it would improve.
Anyway, good work with your bet. I was on Rockhold but I saw the argument for Vitor, too. Definitely not a fluke, I thought Rockhold should be around -250 and even I thought that if Rockhold lost it'd be in spectacular fashion.Comment -
You said Belfort has iffy standup. But compared to who???? Tyrone Spong? Or Luke Rockhold. If Belfort doesn't have good standup ...then what would you call Rockhold's awful defense and weak flashy strikes? He looked scared to stand with Vitor and shot for a crappy TD (which was easily stuffed). Did you have him beating Jacre? I didn't. We just saw what Belfort did to Bisping...a cardio guy, who throws some kicks, and likes to stay at range, but has iffy defense. So what made you think Rockhold faired so much better??? Rockhold looked like a scared kid in there. His only real way of winning was surviving and hoping Vitor gasses with enough time to steal the last 3 rounds. How else did you see him winning? Vitor has been stopped twice since 2005. Once by a perfect kick from the sports best. And the other from a beating at the ahnds of a prime phenom and maybe soon to be best ever. It took Jon almost 4 rounds to finish him. So Rockhold in your opinion had an ok shot at finishing Belfort? A guy who has finished much of no one relevant?
You say Belfort lacks as a striker. Probably because he wasn't "versatile" enough....or went in attack mode often and made him look like a brawler. No, he is actually decently technical when he wants to be for an MMA fighter. Belfort is effective as hell. I call that good. I don't give 2 craps about if Rockhold looks technically better. None of that mattered.
He just headkicked 2 "technical" strikers in a row. Yet you want to pass it off as rather "luck" because of how he set it up. I'll take effective. And Belfort has been much more effective vs. better opponents. Plus he was in Brazil. And on TRT. I don't see how you would make the same bet again....
You did well and are a good capper. But Rockhold was totally the wrong side.Comment -
And that is what people who bet ROckhold should have realized BEFORE the fight. The fight was in Brazil and he was full of TRT. It was widely known before the fight. You had a guy that was very hittable, making his UFC debut in Brazil, vs. a Brazilian, full of TRT, who hits hard and knows how to finish. Who isn't some novice grappler. Hmmm..Comment -
I know what you wrote. Doesn't mean that is the tone of all your posts. When you say "well how did he set that kick up" isn't that implying that the kick itself was impressive, but there was no real rhyme or reason to it? And Vitor lacked technique in some way. What does "technique wasn't amazing" really mean? Compared to who in MMA? Which good fighters have shown amazing technique and what are some example. Yea, some guys like Anderson and Aldo have nice technique. But very few MMA fighters have and/or display great technique much of fights. Things get sloppy early and often in even matchups between 2 usually technical strikers.
So again, in regards to who? I just feel your critique and analysis of Belfort's overall skillset was 10 fold that of the attention and nitpicking you could have done with Rockhold. What part of Rockhold's defense or reflexes are good for striking? He does some technical things, but his execution or tendencies are lacking much technique. Like Bisping, he is built to win decisions or accumulate a lot of damage through constant pressure and thrown strikes. That is all well and good vs. a slow fighter. Or if you yourself can avoid damage. Rockhold had neither going for him.
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u see the press conferance where the reporter pressed him lol. funny shit.
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Yes Rubber, despite saying before the fight that Belfort had a really good chance at a knockout multiple times, and despite saying that Belfort's KO was not a fluke, I thought it was lucky.
What does this even mean? Obviously we're discussing MMA striking. No one is comparing Vitor Belfort to Andre Ward here. Likewise, no one is comparing Luke Rockhold to Andy Hug. What exactly are you asking me? Who in MMA has good kicks? Bendo, Pettis, Thomson, Thompson, Le, Condit. Not hard to think of a dozen names off the top of my head.
Yes Rubber, despite saying before the fight that Belfort had a really good chance at a knockout multiple times, and despite saying that Belfort's KO was not a fluke, I thought it was lucky.
What does that even mean?
I don't expect you to have much of an argument, but at least try to phrase it properly. The number of times you've taken the time out of your day to try and post something in an attempt to insult me, blatantly or otherwise, is mind-boggling, especially for someone who says that I spend too much time on SBR. The only reason I'm even replying to you is because you said something to me without being obviously furious like you normally are. This conversation will go like every one of ours does; you'll get mad, start acting like an idiot, and I'll ignore your posts.Comment -
Yet you capped Rockhold at -230? What chance did you have Belfort landing a kick that led to a KO? He proved to be more versatile than you thought really. What method did you give Rockhold a good chance at carrying out? He isn't really any better of a grappler than Belfort. He is hittable. He lacks power or at least the will to want to finish. You thought he was good enough to whether a brawlers early storm then cruise to an easy decision via cardio.
I get that you hedged with Belfort by KO. But Belfort was almost hedgable with Rockhold by Dec To me he had just as few ways of winning as Belfort did. He really has done few things to think he will be any kind of finisher while facing top UFC middleweights. Skeleton Jardine is easily his best finish of his career.
Na, I'm not mad. You look like you are on tilt tho. I'm just discussing gambling and asking questions.Comment
