UFC 159: Jones vs. Sonnen

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

does wolfslair even exist? Because I know Nelson has been training non-stop with Jeff Mayweather.

Jeff Mayweather?!

Oh no! Look for Kongo to win via spinning back fist.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by MD

Why did Perez move from -190 to -125? Not how I saw the line moving at all.

Are you thinking of making a small play on Perez now? I thought money would come in on Perez not Bedford. People must think that Perez's take down defense is not up to snuff.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 10:24 PM

I have a question for all. What is the most amount of money that you would feel comfortable leaving in your 5dimes or other site's account? Because of the situation in Cyprus and the EU anything more than $5000.00 is a no, no for me. However, I am interested in others opinions.

**ArchieUD** · 04-21-13, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012

Are you thinking of making a small play on Perez now? I thought money would come in on Perez not Bedford. People must think that Perez's take down defense is not up to snuff.

People are looking at the trend for 'prospect vs grinder' match ups..
Unibet have not changed their lines though..

**gabe** · 04-21-13, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012

Are you thinking of making a small play on Perez now? I thought money would come in on Perez not Bedford. People must think that Perez's take down defense is not up to snuff.

If Perez gets taken down, he will likely sub Bedford off his back. Bedford has poor sub defense and a weak chin to go with it. Should be a good fight, could go either way, but Perez has much more outs. I cap him at -185 but hoped he'd be a dog. I think the only thing Bedford has going for him is size and probably speed. Perez isn't the fastest little guy. Still taking this card off but if I were to bet, I'd throw Perez in a parlay.

MD · 04-21-13, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by gabe

If Perez gets taken down, he will likely sub Bedford off his back.

How you can think that's likely is beyond me. It's more likely Perez gets subbed in that situation.

**NunyaBidness** · 04-21-13, 11:00 PM

Sara McMann is overvalued. I'll say it first. Line is too high and I expect it to get higher.

She should've lost to Baszler, she was outgrappled in round 2, and weak little Baszler with 0 kos on her record almost knocked her our in round 3. Sara's striking is pretty bad, she wades in and throws arm punches, the only power she has comes from her musculature. Laying 7-1 on a sloppy c.unt punter here seems like a mistake to me.

Hope it works out for you guys.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by gabe

If Perez gets taken down, he will likely sub Bedford off his back. Bedford has poor sub defense and a weak chin to go with it. Should be a good fight, could go either way, but Perez has much more outs. I cap him at -185 but hoped he'd be a dog. I think the only thing Bedford has going for him is size and probably speed. Perez isn't the fastest little guy. Still taking this card off but if I were to bet, I'd throw Perez in a parlay.

Your taking the entire card off? Why not at least have a small play on a Jones/McMann parlay? What about a small play on a Jones/McMann/Miller parlay?

**Nick Papageorgio** · 04-21-13, 11:09 PM

If it's not good enough for a straight bet, it's not good enough for a parlay. Gabe teaches that on day 1 of MMA gambling class pal.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

If it's not good enough for a straight bet, it's not good enough for a parlay. Gabe teaches that on day 1 of MMA gambling class pal.

Seems logical enough. However, Jones @ -650 & McMann @ -600 did not seem to be too bad for a small straight bet.

MD · 04-21-13, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Sara McMann is overvalued. I'll say it first. Line is too high and I expect it to get higher.

She should've lost to Baszler, she was outgrappled in round 2, and weak little Baszler with 0 kos on her record almost knocked her our in round 3. Sara's striking is pretty bad, she wades in and throws arm punches, the only power she has comes from her musculature. Laying 7-1 on a sloppy c.unt punter here seems like a mistake to me.

Hope it works out for you guys.

I agree. I couldn't pass on -535 though, given where I think the line will end up. Plus, I don't think Gaff is the one to expose her.

**Ron_Paul_2012** · 04-21-13, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Well I hate to say it. But, full credit to you. You put your money where your mouth is and followed through. I'm medium on McMann as well.

**gabe** · 04-21-13, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by MD

How you can think that's likely is beyond me. It's more likely Perez gets subbed in that situation.

Perez has great BJJ and Bedford has poor sub defense/mentally penetrates up and gets caught when in dominant positions. Perez could KO him standing up or sub him off his back, top 2 ways I see him winning.

**gabe** · 04-21-13, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012

Your taking the entire card off? Why not at least have a small play on a Jones/McMann parlay? What about a small play on a Jones/McMann/Miller parlay?

Nah, just gonna enjoy a few fights. I'll live without making a few bucks on the night. I wouldn't take McMann at worse than -500, so pass.

**gabe** · 04-21-13, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Nah, just gonna enjoy a few fights. I'll live without making a few bucks on the night. I wouldn't take McMann at worse than -500, so pass.

Also I capped Jim Miller at -200 and hoped to get him close to EV money and maybe even as a dog, but nope... All the value is with Pat Healy in this fight.

**sideloaded** · 04-21-13, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

If it's not good enough for a straight bet, it's not good enough for a parlay. Gabe teaches that on day 1 of MMA gambling class pal.

just stop, making lame jokes and you dont even know gabe

**sideloaded** · 04-21-13, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Sara McMann is overvalued. I'll say it first. Line is too high and I expect it to get higher.

She should've lost to Baszler, she was outgrappled in round 2, and weak little Baszler with 0 kos on her record almost knocked her our in round 3. Sara's striking is pretty bad, she wades in and throws arm punches, the only power she has comes from her musculature. Laying 7-1 on a sloppy c.unt punter here seems like a mistake to me.

Hope it works out for you guys.

Got through the first sentence realized Nick paperbag agreed and realized you were trolling. I would do the same thing too. You want mcmann at -400 and unload. Wont work, because sbr fagg-ots are broke and cant bet gaff if they wanted too.

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 12:03 AM

Ain't nobody got time for that.

The Masters, NBA playoffs, March Madness, this rinky dink MMA shit goes on the back burner.

Nuyna doesnt live this shit. I do. I have a lot of info on mcmanns training and game plan. I am hardcore I have shootboxing,bjj,and mma coverage from 2010 about japanese prospects debuting on invicta 6. I have shit that hasnt been seeded on trackers for years from JEWELS.

That is why the u2.5 is so off. People watch mcmanns first fight against evinger and think she is going to fight like that her whole career. She is a finisher. This fight doesnt go 3 rounds.

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by MD

I agree. I couldn't pass on -535 though, given where I think the line will end up. Plus, I don't think Gaff is the one to expose her.

wut? -750 is overvalued and -535 you couldnt pass? Makes no sense.

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 12:09 AM

mcmann has value to -2000. but just bet the under and count the cash.

MD · 04-22-13, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

wut? -750 is overvalued and -535 you couldnt pass? Makes no sense.

BTCL, cuz.

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by MD

BTCL, cuz.

So you are going to arb out? I do think money will come in on gaff.

**Dwil125** · 04-22-13, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Played Garcia as a favorite

First time ive seen this

**NunyaBidness** · 04-22-13, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by MD

BTCL, cuz.

maybe.

**gabe** · 04-22-13, 01:20 AM

are you gona have anything left to bet on the under?

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by gabe

are you gona have anything left to bet on the under?

I did on dimes with a c-r-e-d-i-t card

**Vaughany** · 04-22-13, 05:23 AM

somethings telling me to play Catone as dog. Superior wrestler no? And cant see Head having significantly better striking, cardio, BJJ etc... Also Catone is fighting in home-town. He has lost two on the bounce but Camozzi and Waldburger are younger up and coming guys and he was doing ok against both of them until getting caught. Arguably 2 rounds up against Camozzi before getting his head split open from the knee, and was probably a round up against Waldburger. So not like he has just been going out and getting dominated

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

somethings telling me to play Catone as dog. Superior wrestler no? And cant see Head having significantly better striking, cardio, BJJ etc... Also Catone is fighting in home-town. He has lost two on the bounce but Camozzi and Waldburger are younger up and coming guys and he was doing ok against both of them until getting caught. Arguably 2 rounds up against Camozzi before getting his head split open from the knee, and was probably a round up against Waldburger. So not like he has just been going out and getting dominated

and that was f-cked up the way joe silva cut him because he turned down a late replacement spot.

**Vaughany** · 04-22-13, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

and that was f-cked up the way joe silva cut him because he turned down a late replacement spot.

cut who? tht was Attonito wasnt it?

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 05:48 AM

yes, I thought for sure catone was cut after those two losses

completely forgot he got 2 wins, I thought he was 0-4 or something

**Vaughany** · 04-22-13, 05:52 AM

yeah had 14 month lay-off though due to injuries so probably seemed like he'd been cut

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 05:53 AM

how is james head knock out power?

**Vaughany** · 04-22-13, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

how is james head knock out power?

well he's a decent enough boxer (Golden Gloves champ I believe) but that doesnt necessarily mean much nowadays. He dropped Abedi with punches but I reckon Reinhardt could probably drop Abedi. He had Pyle hurt as well I think but then Pyle landed the big knee or something. I need to watch all the fights back because Im just working on hazy memory at moment. Catone might of looked like shiiit against TJ

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 05:58 AM

jesus christ people are actually betting Cody McKenzie

**sideloaded** · 04-22-13, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

well he's a decent enough boxer (Golden Gloves champ I believe) but that doesnt necessarily mean much nowadays. He dropped Abedi with punches but I reckon Reinhardt could probably drop Abedi. He had Pyle hurt as well I think but then Pyle landed the big knee or something. I need to watch all the fights back because Im just working on hazy memory at moment. Catone might of looked like shiiit against TJ

I remember pyle hurting him bad, need to re watch that fight. I see a finish here. both guys fighting for a job.