UFC 157 Rousey vs Carmouche (Feb 23)

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Liz had a chance to get up and she laid on her back. I don't get it.

I was thinking the same thing at that moment..

**indzrul** · 02-24-13, 12:15 AM

Where can I watch a replay of the fight??

**NunyaBidness** · 02-24-13, 12:16 AM

15 more seconds and I'm eating sushi with Gabers.

Square side wins.

**FindTheLock** · 02-24-13, 12:16 AM

what is that 7 arm bars in a row in the first round? Oddsmakers need to just set the line as- will RR get the arm bar in the first round -180 vs any other round +160

**Sykes** · 02-24-13, 12:18 AM

Godd fights im happy!

**face** · 02-24-13, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

what is that 7 arm bars in a row in the first round? Oddsmakers need to just set the line as- will RR get the arm bar in the first round -180 vs any other round +160

they basically did, line moved around but closed at -200 for rousey first rd

**Imsmarterthanu** · 02-24-13, 12:18 AM

MD · 02-24-13, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Liz had a chance to get up and she laid on her back. I don't get it.

She put on an outstanding performance and there was very little she could have done. Do you think this is Sherdog?

**FindTheLock** · 02-24-13, 12:20 AM

Those nips were close to coming out. Do they tape their tops on or something? How did those nips stay in the holster?

**JuicedUp** · 02-24-13, 12:22 AM

chicks use that magic boob tape

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by MD

She put on an outstanding performance and there was very little she could have done. Do you think this is Sherdog?

Well obviously the goal is to not be on the ground with Ronda, which is why I couldn't understand why she wanted to stay there. WTF does Sherdog have to do with anything? Liz had more than ample time to get to her feet, but chose to lay on her back.

**JamesKim** · 02-24-13, 12:27 AM

penetrate. I had an absolutely dominating night on the prelims/undercard and then got raped huge on Koscheck, Hendo and Carmouche surviving the 1st round. Koscheck annihilated a bunch of parlays :/

MD · 02-24-13, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Well obviously the goal is to not be on the ground with Ronda, which is why I couldn't understand why she wanted to stay there. WTF does Sherdog have to do with anything? Liz had more than ample time to get to her feet, but chose to lay on her back.

If you think people get armbarred by Ronda because the fight hits the ground, you don't understand grappling, and if you think Carmouche could have just rushed to her feet without getting clinched and risking a throw, you don't understand positioning. Being on your back is a more desirable position to being in Rousey's clinch, I can assure you.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by MD

If you think people get armbarred by Ronda because the fight hits the ground, you don't understand grappling, and if you think Carmouche could have just rushed to her feet without getting clinched and risking a throw, you don't understand positioning. Being on your back is a more desirable position to being in Rousey's clinch, I can assure you.

**DiggityDaggityDo** · 02-24-13, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

what is that 7 arm bars in a row in the first round? Oddsmakers need to just set the line as- will RR get the arm bar in the first round -180 vs any other round +160

10 arm bar finishes in the first round in a row if you count her 3 amateur fights.

Crazy

**NunyaBidness** · 02-24-13, 12:44 AM

While we're on the subject of why Liz didn't get up, can we please discuss the reason that Hendo didn't just punch Lyoto?

MD · 02-24-13, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

While we're on the subject of why Liz didn't get up, can we please discuss the reason that Hendo didn't just punch Lyoto?

Bad matchmaking. If you keep putting a guy like Dan in there with wrestlers like Lyoto, Shogun and that guy who Stout just beat, he's going to be hesitant to use his striking. Look at the first round. He had Lyoto cowering in fear, absolutely pissing himself, then when Dan came in to KO him, Lyoto panicked and took Dan down.

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by MD

If you think people get armbarred by Ronda because the fight hits the ground, you don't understand grappling, and if you think Carmouche could have just rushed to her feet without getting clinched and risking a throw, you don't understand positioning. Being on your back is a more desirable position to being in Rousey's clinch, I can assure you.

Liz's strength in this fight was on the feet(Or in top position delivering G N' P), not being down where Rousey's strength is. I understand what you are saying, but I highly doubt that keeping the fight down on the mat was part of Liz's strategy going into this fight. She was laying down there like a BJJ Black Belt almost inviting Rousey to come down into her world.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

While we're on the subject of why Liz didn't get up, can we please discuss the reason that Hendo didn't just punch Lyoto?

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:49 AM

I am just saying Ronda backed up when she got up and Liz just decided to stay there flat on her back, she didn't have to rush to do anything, there was plenty of time to get up and establish herself on her feet.

MD · 02-24-13, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Liz's strength in this fight was on the feet(Or in top position delivering G N' P), not being down where Rousey's strength is. I understand what you are saying, but I highly doubt that keeping the fight down on the mat was part of Liz's strategy going into this fight. She was laying down there like a BJJ Black Belt almost inviting Rousey to come down into her world.

In that case, tell me why Ronda didn't just immediately dive into Liz's guard.

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by MD

Bad matchmaking. If you keep putting a guy like Dan in there with wrestlers like Lyoto, Shogun and that guy who Stout just beat, he's going to be hesitant to use his striking. Look at the first round. He had Lyoto cowering in fear, absolutely pissing himself, then when Dan came in to KO him, Lyoto panicked and took Dan down.

Lyoto a wrestler?

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by MD

In that case, tell me why Ronda didn't just immediately dive into Liz's guard.

Because Liz was throwing crazy upkicks.

**FindTheLock** · 02-24-13, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Because Liz was throwing crazy upkicks.

you ever try to argue with someone who knows everything?

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:51 AM

Dan Henderson is far more a wrestler than Machida is.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by MD

In that case, tell me why Ronda didn't just immediately dive into Liz's guard.

I'll have to rewatch the fight but at the time, it seemed like there was no need to rush on Ronda's part as Liz was just laying there inviting Ronda to dive into her muffin... oh wait... now I know what Liz was thinkin...

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by FindTheLock

you ever try to argue with someone who knows everything?

I am not saying I know everything, I was just saying that during the fight I was very surprised that Liz had a chance to get back up to her feet and she decided to stay on the canvass. To me it just didn't seem like the right move because it was a given that Rousey was going to get back on top of her at some point if she stayed there.

**FindTheLock** · 02-24-13, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

I am not saying I know everything, I was just saying that during the fight I was very surprised that Liz had a chance to get back up to her feet and she decided to stay on the canvass. To me it just didn't seem like the right move because it was a given that Rousey was going to get back on top of her at some point if she stayed there.

I agree with you, actually. Ronda was still trying to recover from her face being smashed and her neck being twisted. It was a weird decision to me too.

**PunisherIND** · 02-24-13, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

While we're on the subject of why Liz didn't get up, can we please discuss the reason that Hendo didn't just punch Lyoto?

Lol

MD · 02-24-13, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Kermit

Dan Henderson is far more a wrestler than Machida is.

If Dan Henderson is so much better than Machida, then why could Shogun take down Dan Henderson, but he couldn't take down Machida?

This logic is infallible and it is impossible for you to disprove it.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by MD

If Dan Henderson is so much better than Machida, then why could Shogun take down Dan Henderson, but he couldn't take down Machida?

This logic is infallible and it is impossible for you to disprove it.

Jeezus Christ... this MD guy is like Gabe on internet steroids...

**Kermit** · 02-24-13, 12:56 AM

And Machida IMO took Dan down right at the end of the first to steal the round, which he did. I don't think he was scared. He fought tonight basically the same way that he does in every fight. It just depends on what kind of fight that his opponent brings to him.

**PunisherIND** · 02-24-13, 12:57 AM

Hey sykes nice call on schaub decision. Screwed my night. You a sharp fock

**FindTheLock** · 02-24-13, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Jeezus Christ... this MD guy is like Gabe on internet steroids...

impossible to disprove it

**Educ8d Degener8** · 02-24-13, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by MD

Bad matchmaking. If you keep putting a guy like Dan in there with wrestlers like Lyoto, Shogun and that guy who Stout just beat, he's going to be hesitant to use his striking. Look at the first round. He had Lyoto cowering in fear, absolutely pissing himself, then when Dan came in to KO him, Lyoto panicked and took Dan down.

I don't think Dan Henderson would be afraid of Caros Fodor... but then again, I don't know everything...