Bitcoin Price Tracking & Discussion -- 2025

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I got about $14 worth of AirSwap Token. It is listed on Coinbase and Binance. I don't use those two anymore. 1st person that PM's me their Eth address gets it.

Arky, how do you size up Bitcoin vs Altcoins right now?

[DonnieBrasco23]

ath !!!

[Arky]

I got about $14 worth of AirSwap Token. It is listed on Coinbase and Binance. I don't use those two anymore. 1st person that PM's me their Eth address gets it.

[biggie12]

It's time to start shorting

XRp #1

Hbar

[Optional]

Should I sell my Litecoin's and BTCASH also have some ETH.

I remember someone here said sell the shitcoins and just keep BTC

Now that I'm back in the black should i unload the 3 coins litecoin bitcoin cash and ETH ?

If you are a simple hodler, probably can't go wrong swapping alts for btc now.


But no real need to with those you have I don't think. Could still do a little better keeping the mix.

If i had to pick one to ditch personally, it would be the BCH

[Arky]

Should I sell my Litecoin's and BTCASH also have some ETH.

I remember someone here said sell the shitcoins and just keep BTC

Now that I'm back in the black should i unload the 3 coins litecoin bitcoin cash and ETH ?

I think most will say there's more to go in this run. Patience and those coins will go up some more.

IMO, LTC and BCH are two well known coins that have been around for a while. They go up in the bull market and down in the bear market. Buy in the bear and sell in the bull and you can make a few bucks but that is a very long-to-wait swing trade. For a long term hold, can't beat BTC, ETH and now Solana has appeared to join those two - coins that don't retrace to a point lower than a previous cycle low. Their charts gradually go up over time even during the bear markets but you have to be committed to the hodling. "Dude, I got in a bind and had to cash out" is not the way to hodl. 5 years is good, 10 is better.

I have a little Litecoin but I'm waiting till the time seems right to unload it.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Should I sell my Litecoin's and BTCASH also have some ETH.

I remember someone here said sell the shitcoins and just keep BTC

Now that I'm back in the black should i unload the 3 coins litecoin bitcoin cash and ETH ?

first, everyone is going to have an opinion on that stuff. My thoughts:
1) I tried to believe in LTC. It hasn't shown staying power:
...It HAS gone up recently. But that might be a function of the Bull market hitting many coins.
...LTC has mostly shown value on fast transactions. But NOT on holding value over time.

2) Bitcoin Cash is the coin that's linked to Roger Ver.
...There are SOME investors that think Bitcoin Cash has better usability.
...My counter would be that Bitcoin is going up the adoption curve. And Bitcoin Cash might be left in the dust.

3) Talk to some of the other guys here re: Ethereum.
...Some guys like it.
...I think the counter is that it doesn't have the BTC property of limited supply.

[firstclass]

Should I sell my Litecoin's and BTCASH also have some ETH.

I remember someone here said sell the shitcoins and just keep BTC

Now that I'm back in the black should i unload the 3 coins litecoin bitcoin cash and ETH ?

[EasyCover]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/10/u...onference.html

Trump DeFi project @worldliberty.fi bought $1million of $LINK in 10 minutes yesterday. I would say he was pretty cool with Crypto.

[raiders72001]

Eric Trump Promises the ‘Most Pro-Crypto President’ in History


[COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)]Speaking at a Middle East conference, President-elect Donald J. Trump’s son said his family had embraced cryptocurrency because some banks stopped doing business with them after Jan. 6.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)]Also at the conference was Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman,[/COLOR][COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)] [/COLOR][COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)]whom Mr. Trump [/COLOR]pardoned[COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)] before he left office in 2021, clearing a conviction on bank fraud charges. Mr. Manafort also [/COLOR]worked briefly with the Trump campaign[COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)] this year to help plan the Republican convention.
[/COLOR][COLOR=var(--color-content-secondary,#363636)]“There’s a lot of exciting times ahead,” Mr. Manafort said in his speech on Tuesday. “For those of you who are celebrating the $100,000 Bitcoin, you’re going to be celebrating much higher very soon.”[/COLOR]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/10/us/politics/eric-trump-cryptocurrency-conference.html

[ChuckyTheGoat]

rookie question and probably alrdy answered but.

am i exposed to bitcoin if i own it on a third part app like coinbase, or cash app? Or do i need to hold it on a non-connected device as i remember ppl saying in the old days?

ddittie, yes, you hold BTC if you hold it on Coinbase. But you don't directly HOLD the Coins.

IE, if the USA seizes Coinbase, the coins are not in your hands. This gets into the concept of Self-sovereignty. This is a unique element of Bitcoin.

It gets into a more complicated topic of coin security. Honestly, I'd recommend anyone study this topic 100+ hours, before getting into it too deeply.

[ddittie]

rookie question and probably alrdy answered but.

am i exposed to bitcoin if i own it on a third part app like coinbase, or cash app? Or do i need to hold it on a non-connected device as i remember ppl saying in the old days?

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I know most shy away from BTC price-predictions. I'll post a few comments:

1) It's already been a good cycle. Action has the price ahead of most forecasts for 2024 YE.
2) So much talk about the positive indicators. People buying, Trump pro-crypto regime etc.
3) It's still a market. Buys-and-sells, honestly some people may be selling to pay for housing/tax etc.

Some of the 2025 bullish projections are a little too much IMHO. I'll go on record and say that the 2025 top will be ~ $150,000. That's still +50% from where we are right now, so that would be good.
...BTC in 4th cycle should slow down on the volatility.
...I just think some of the blow-off top predictions are too much. A lot of people are still learning about BTC.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

George (CryptosRUs) also quoted Trump as possibly pushing for NO CRYPTO TAXES.
...This is huge (imho). Talk to any wealthy investor. A lot of it is about tax avoidance!

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Three news-items from today:

1) Microsoft voted to NOT put Bitcoin on the company Balance Sheet.
2) Amazon is contemplating the idea of putting BTC on the Bal Sht.
3) Russia is also contemplating BTC as a strategic reserve.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

$1.6b liquidated.

Plz tell more. What does that mean for WED action?

[raiders72001]

$1.6b liquidated.

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Opti - did crypto help to put you in a position to buy real estate?

Kind of. It inspired me to get serious about getting out of the rent trap I was in. I started buying as much as I could spare every week in early 2020, with the intent of it being a house deposit. And then covid happened and I realised rents were going to skyrocket and I needed to be an owner right now. So sold car and camper and boat and anything else I could do without and borrowed some money from family and bought what was close to the cheapest house in the state for cash in May 2020, without using the btc I had saved. It was really the extra income I've had from SBR and a small inheritance from my father that got me there. My brother thought I was mad buying a dump an hours drive from anything at the time. But events conspired to make that little town boom almost more than anywhere else in the state during covid. Sold it for 3.3x what paid for it last year.

I cashed out a chunk of btc in June last year to make up enough for the deposit on the second house before I sold the first. And I would have missed out on this place if I didn't have it to use. So there is that too.

Plus what I have left gives me a warm sense of security now that I have spent all my cash and am finishing the project from week to week income.

So I guess you could say bitcoin has changed my life over the last 4 years in a very positive way. Even if I still haven't made a huge fortune directly as yet. (well I've cashed out about 3x what I've spent on it, plus have that much again still left.)

I feel very lucky and thankful for what it has helped me do.

[raiders72001]

Opti - did crypto help to put you in a position to buy real estate?

[raiders72001]

I bought a very cheap place right after covid started and I could see the exodus from cities to rural areas here and did a bunch of cheap cosmetic stuff and landscaped the grounds and more than tripled my money on it in a couple of years.

Then in middle of last year used that to buy a place that needed major renovations. I got a bit ambitious trying to make it wonderful and have spent a bit more than I probably should have, but it has turned out very impressively and should end up doubling the money put into it if sold now.

I kind of dont want to move out of it now though lol. Haven't lived in a really nice home for quite a long time.


Might keep it and have it revalued and refinance it to get enough cash out to do another one (cheaper and simpler). It's set up as dual occupancy now so could live in one part and rent out the rest for enough to cover the mortgage and expenses.

If do sell could potentially put 6 figures into crypto and have plenty left to repeat the project again. Will decide when completed and see what the bank will revalue it at.

Congrats on those real estate moves. You're in a good position.

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Do you have to do a lot of rehab on the home to flip or just minor repairs? That's another thing that would be fun to do.

I bought a very cheap place right after covid started and I could see the exodus from cities to rural areas here and did a bunch of cheap cosmetic stuff and landscaped the grounds and more than tripled my money on it in a couple of years.

Then in middle of last year used that to buy a place that needed major renovations. I got a bit ambitious trying to make it wonderful and have spent a bit more than I probably should have, but it has turned out very impressively and should end up doubling the money put into it if sold now.

I kind of dont want to move out of it now though lol. Haven't lived in a really nice home for quite a long time.


Might keep it and have it revalued and refinance it to get enough cash out to do another one (cheaper and simpler). It's set up as dual occupancy now so could live in one part and rent out the rest for enough to cover the mortgage and expenses.

If do sell could potentially put 6 figures into crypto and have plenty left to repeat the project again. Will decide when completed and see what the bank will revalue it at.

[raiders72001]

I'm all in buying and renovating a home to flip over the last year. Very close to being done but every last cent I had and am earning is going there.

Early next year will probably sell or rent it out and will be able to think about investing more again.

Hope I don't miss the boat.


Other option is to sell out now to get house done faster, and hope for a dip early next year to get it all back without a loss.

Do you have to do a lot of rehab on the home to flip or just minor repairs? That's another thing that would be fun to do.

[raiders72001]

Thinks are always changing, but right now here's how I have things grouped.

BTC
SOL
ETH

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Because of possible deals with these and Trump

ADA
HBAR
XRP

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SUI
LINK
TON
AI
DePin
RWA

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WIF
BONK
SHIB
DOGE

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SOL Ecosystem

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the rest

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Next dip jump back in. Blackrock owns $48b in BTC. Follow the money.

I'm all in buying and renovating a home to flip over the last year. Very close to being done but every last cent I had and am earning is going there.

Early next year will probably sell or rent it out and will be able to think about investing more again.

Hope I don't miss the boat.


Other option is to sell out now to get house done faster, and hope for a dip early next year to get it all back without a loss.

[raiders72001]

Once you totally understand how the money system works in America, crypto is the only answer, IMO. Metal bugs will tell you it's gold and silver and those are decent stores of value but not wild and crazy like crypto. I think honest financial people will tell you the present system and the dollar are doomed.....

Truer words were never spoken. I have a little bit of real estate, the rest is crypto. I mess around with the alts or I'd get bored. Those still get me excited.

[raiders72001]

^^^ that thinking has stopped me making a lot of money on crypto.

Still stopping me adding really.

hard to feel good about buying at 100K when most of your holding was bought under 20k

Next dip jump back in. Blackrock owns $48b in BTC. Follow the money.

[Arky]

^^^ that thinking has stopped me making a lot of money on crypto.

Still stopping me adding really.

hard to feel good about buying at 100K when most of your holding was bought under 20k

Eheh, yep. I'm in the same boat. My bags are packed. Good thing I'm all in or I would be buying.

Doesn't stop Saylor, though. Every day is bargain day for that guy...

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There was always a better time to buy each of those

^^^ that thinking has stopped me making a lot of money on crypto.

Still stopping me adding really.

hard to feel good about buying at 100K when most of your holding was bought under 20k

[Arky]

Question for everyone on here since we (understandably) are mostly bullish on btc. How much of your networth are you willing to hold in it? I've heard most "experts" say 25% should be max.

Yeah, I'm all in, too. I might add I'm single and officially a senior so no one gets hurt except maybe me.

From late 2017 to around the middle of 2020, I systematically liquidated my 401K with Fidelity. Fidelity (traditional finance) was boring. Once I really started looking into crypto, it all clicked. My inner gambler loves the action (although there can be long periods of blah). Any newcomer should invest now and ask questions 5-10 years from now, i.e. hodl. Can't go wrong with BTC, ETH and probably SOL starting out. There was always a better time to buy each of those but get in and be ready to wait it out.

Bear market is best for buying. We're at the start of a bull run so I wouldn't throw too much in at this point. Spread it out and DCA (dollar cost average). Again, bear market is the best time for investing and lowering your DCA.

Once you totally understand how the money system works in America, crypto is the only answer, IMO. Metal bugs will tell you it's gold and silver and those are decent stores of value but not wild and crazy like crypto. I think honest financial people will tell you the present system and the dollar are doomed.....

[raiders72001]

One more comment on Opti's post:
1) I see some sites that try to call the daily BTC price. Very difficult.
2) Much better chance of getting it right on a wider lens. Monthly or quarterly projections (at best). Any tighter prediction is almost impossible.

This is good advice on zooming out.

[raiders72001]

I think similar.

But one nagging concern is that if/when a lot of nation states want some exposure to BTC in sovereign wealth funds, there is currently no where near enough bitcoin to satisfy that demand without the price rising exponentially. Hate to make long term $$ predications but I do think crazy numbers in the millions is not out of the realm of possibility if that happens.

My issue with that is that if it does become that valuable and vital to nation states ongoing financial health... the powers that be are going to want all of our crypto for themselves. I can foresee strange laws being proposed that strips us of our holdings eventually.

You guys beat me to it but I was going to say it's a great problem to have. Also agree with thoughts above by Easy Cover and Opti. Throw out TA, it's all news right now and no one is going to time a pull back.

[raiders72001]

Question for everyone on here since we (understandably) are mostly bullish on btc. How much of your networth are you willing to hold in it? I've heard most "experts" say 25% should be max.

If I were advising people, I'd say if they are young without a family, then go all in. You have time to make more if you bust. And if you're a little crazy like me, still go all in. I don't think that you can put a number on it. We all have different goals and security is more important the older that we get.

Everyone wants Bitcoin. Trump isn't going back on any of his promises and nations/states are going to try and front run.

[nbaguy23]

Question for everyone on here since we (understandably) are mostly bullish on btc. How much of your networth are you willing to hold in it? I've heard most "experts" say 25% should be max.

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First thought is what a great problem to have. I think if that happens we will see it coming from under developed Countries first .If the legislation comes here we will see it coming and may have to liquidate.

haha... yeah, an awesome problem to be sitting on really!

[EasyCover]

One more comment on Opti's post:
1) I see some sites that try to call the daily BTC price. Very difficult.
2) Much better chance of getting it right on a wider lens. Monthly or quarterly projections (at best). Any tighter prediction is almost impossible.

Zooming out is the only way Chucky. Wished I would have learned that earlier. But better late than never.