Is Johan Santana still the best pitcher in baseball?

[ryanXL977]

didnt say cain and lincecum are better, they have better stuff.
again, i would take wang on my team, he is a very good pitcher
but nothing about him puts him near the top 5
not close

[austintx05]

Reminds me of someone else on here

who are you referring to?

[ryanXL977]

didnt say i would take escobar over wang either
but he does have better stuff

[AgainstAllOdds]

At least I know wangs a top 5 pitcher you stupid ****

[austintx05]

didnt say cain and lincecum are better, they have better stuff.
again, i would take wang on my team, he is a very good pitcher
but nothing about him puts him near the top 5
not close

is better stuff velocity to you?

[ryanXL977]

not at all

[imgv94]

who are you referring to?

sent you on PM.. Don't wanna say on here cause then he will cry like a Bitch.

[MJFtheGenius]

Alright Ryan forget your "stuff".

name me your top 5

[MJFtheGenius]

IMG it better not be me. I made thise forum.

[rjt721]

Funny thread.

Continue...

[imgv94]

IMG it better not be me. I made thise forum.

No way dude..

You the man

[austintx05]

MF you da man!!!

[ryanXL977]

top 5

johan
peavy
webb
sabathia
beckett

[MJFtheGenius]

I don't agree with Sabathia. However the other four you can at least make an intellegent arguement.

[ryanXL977]

i guess nobody is listening,i dont hate the yanks or wang. hell, my girlfriend is a chinese philly
wang is very very good
very good
but he is not a top 5 pitcher. how is he better than haren or lackey? i would take wang over penny just bc of what penny does every yr post asb, and escobar get shurt, as does burnett. wang is top 15 i would say

[ryanXL977]

i just dont see how a3.75 era with 5ks per 9ip makes someone top 5. thats just stupid to me. he gets wins bc he is a good pitcher on a great offensive winning team

the dude isnt close to top 5.

[austintx05]

i guess nobody is listening,i dont hate the yanks or wang. hell, my girlfriend is a chinese philly
wang is very very good
very good
but he is not a top 5 pitcher. how is he better than haren or lackey? i would take wang over penny just bc of what penny does every yr post asb, and escobar get shurt, as does burnett. wang is top 15 i would say

holy fukk u r dum b.

top 15?

Wang has the best groundball to flyball ratio which translates into more ground balls, double plays and just keeping the ball in from of you. Cause if the ball is behind you, then you probabaly are losing. And if you are losing then you probably have not recorded the most wins in the lat 2 years. Wang has kept the ball in front of his players, which has translated to the most wins in the last 2 years. Which includes Webb, Peavy, Santana, Haren, etc

[ryanXL977]

how did wang do last year in the playoffs?
he allowed like 13 runs in 5 innings if i recall
you guys must be yanks fans

[MJFtheGenius]

you go from not a top 5 to not a top 15? I would really like to see your top 15.

[ryanXL977]

wang has a 3.75 era, same as lowe
he is a sinkerballer, same as lowe
there are good sinker pitchers every yr, the best are halladay, carmona, and webb

wang isnt but a very solid number 2 starter

[ryanXL977]

yes, he is top 15

[austintx05]

i just dont see how a3.75 era with 5ks per 9ip makes someone top 5. thats just stupid to me. he gets wins bc he is a good pitcher on a great offensive winning team

the dude isnt close to top 5.

you don't get it. Just cause he doesnt strkeout a lot doesn't make him a bad pitcher. It means he is more economical and can go longer cause his pitch count is less. Pitchers would rather keep the ball in play and let their infield/outfield take care of the rest.

[ryanXL977]

find me one baseball person who would take wang over webb, or over felix hernandez, or over cc or carmona even

they wouldnt
you guys are wrong
not much else to say

[ryanXL977]

DIPSHIT
i did not say he was a bad pitcher

READ
top 15 is good
he isnt great, he isnt close to being feared.
LEARN TO READ

[MJFtheGenius]

Ryan you should write a letter to a baseball team explaining how much you understand the game. They will make you a scout.

[MJFtheGenius]

Pretty much every scout would take wang over CC, Carmona and felix right now.

[ryanXL977]

no, you are righ
clearly wang is top 5
you have proven it with the only statr you have, in the last 2 yrs he is top 5 in wins

that settles it!
you know mlb
i am just a dummy
you are smart

[ryanXL977]

no they wouldnt.
felix is way better than wang
you just lost me there bro
it isnt even close

[MJFtheGenius]

no they wouldnt.
felix is way better than wang
you just lost me there bro
it isnt even close

LOL how?

[MJFtheGenius]

The only thing Felix has right now is potential.

[ryanXL977]

watch them pitch i would say
i know the world revolves around the east coast in these forums, but you are wrong
wang is a good not great pitcher. simple as that
same as oswalt

zambrano is also better than wang arguably

[ryanXL977]

felix had about the same era as wang last year, so how is that potential

you are wrong dude
he pitchedalmost 200 innings and had a sub 4 era in his 2nd full year
try again

[MJFtheGenius]

Lol

[ryanXL977]

seriously
watch baseball sometime
unless you think watching damon field or jason giambi hit is baseball

[MJFtheGenius]

Wang era was 3.7 and Felix was 3.92.

Wang had 5 more wins

Pitched same amount of games but more innings.