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  • LT Profits
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #1
    MLB - Friday, 6/24/16
    2 MLB Plays Friday So Far

    Indians -104 (Heritage)
    Astros -117 (Heritage)


    YTD: 215-237-9, -15.93


    Totals still to come
  • LT Profits
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-27-06
    • 90963

    #2
    4 MLB Plays

    4 MLB Plays Friday

    Cubs / Marlins UNDER 7.5 +100 (Bookmaker)
    Indians -104 (Heritage)
    Astros -117 (Heritage)
    Cardinals / Mariners UNDER 8 +100 (Heritage)
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    • PorkChop
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-18-08
      • 8193

      #3
      Thought's on these 3:

      NYY/Min Under 8.5
      Bos/Tex Under 9.5
      Hou/KC Under 8.5

      TY
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      • LT Profits
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-27-06
        • 90963

        #4
        60%ers:

        Yankees 65% (-186)
        Cubs 64% (-178)
        Mets 66% (-194)
        Boston 67% (-203)
        Washington 62% (-163)
        Angels 63% (-170)
        San Francisco 65% (-186)
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #5
          Originally posted by PorkChop
          Thought's on these 3:

          NYY/Min Under 8.5
          Bos/Tex Under 9.5
          Hou/KC Under 8.5

          TY
          NYY/Min Under 8.5 - 8.8
          Bos/Tex Under 9.5 - 8.7
          Hou/KC Under 8.5 - 8.9

          Just a lean to the Texas Under.
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          • CTOWNsCAPPIN
            SBR MVP
            • 02-11-11
            • 3079

            #6
            Love the Indians and Astros today and will be adding the M's total. BOL
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            • eddycash
              SBR MVP
              • 11-06-13
              • 4527

              #7
              Why not the Marlins again tonight?
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              • juicername
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-14-15
                • 6906

                #8
                Very surprised you like Astros over Royals today despite Keuchel's struggles. I get it, his numbers suggest that he's bound to turn it around sooner or later, but for now he's a pretty poor pitcher, no? KC so strong at home too. Since you seem to prefer dogs to favorites this seems like an obvious play to take Royals as a home dog .
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                • LT Profits
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-27-06
                  • 90963

                  #9
                  Originally posted by juicername
                  Very surprised you like Astros over Royals today despite Keuchel's struggles. I get it, his numbers suggest that he's bound to turn it around sooner or later, but for now he's a pretty poor pitcher, no? KC so strong at home too. Since you seem to prefer dogs to favorites this seems like an obvious play to take Royals as a home dog .
                  Combination of both starters expected to regress in opposite directions. Keuchel has a 3.32 xFIP right now, two full runs lower than his ERA. Volquez is basically where he should be with a 4.21 xFIP vs. 4.12 ERA, but I don't like his walk rate of 3.24 per nine.
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                  • funnyb25
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 07-09-09
                    • 39663

                    #10
                    Keuchel is in the same arena as archer with the model. Model doesn't adjust so archer and Keuchel will be a play every start
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                    • LT Profits
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 10-27-06
                      • 90963

                      #11
                      Originally posted by eddycash
                      Why not the Marlins again tonight?
                      See the 60%ers.
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                      • juicername
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-14-15
                        • 6906

                        #12
                        Originally posted by funnyb25
                        Keuchel is in the same arena as archer with the model. Model doesn't adjust so archer and Keuchel will be a play every start
                        Yeah, feels like a leak to me to be honest. At some point you just have to accept that a guy can't get it done right now.

                        I guess the advantage of using xFIP etc instead of ERA is that it would suggest that he's surrendered an unreasonable amount of runs considering the amount and kind of hits/walks/homers he's given up, is that kind of the right way to say it LT?
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                        • LT Profits
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 10-27-06
                          • 90963

                          #13
                          Originally posted by funnyb25
                          Keuchel is in the same arena as archer with the model. Model doesn't adjust so archer and Keuchel will be a play every start
                          You don't get it, I adjust pitchers every five starts or so and Keuchel has a CURRENT 3.32 xFIP.

                          Archer is getting up there but still not terrible at 3.60 (vs. 4.70 ERA), thanks to his 10.57 strikeouts per nine. xFIP has higher than past years because he has poor walk rate this year of 3.82.

                          So bottom like is I AM making adjustments and those two guys do not grade out badly (especially Kuechel), making both PLAY ONS until ERA converges to xFIP. Now does that convergence always happen? Of course not. But it does way more often than not as the innings pile up, which is the beauty of using sabermetrics.
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                          • LT Profits
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 10-27-06
                            • 90963

                            #14
                            Originally posted by juicername
                            I guess the advantage of using xFIP etc instead of ERA is that it would suggest that he's surrendered an unreasonable amount of runs considering the amount and kind of hits/walks/homers he's given up, is that kind of the right way to say it LT?
                            Exactly, except that xFIP also incorporates fly balls and other factors. FIP is strictly K/BB/HR
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                            • juicername
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 10-14-15
                              • 6906

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                              Exactly, except that xFIP also incorporates fly balls and other factors. FIP is strictly K/BB/HR
                              Ah yeah I tried to incorporate fly balls/ground balls etc. by saying which "kind of hits" they given up. I'm still trying to wrap my head around these sabermetrics fully to be honest as these predictive ratings are pretty abstract at first.
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                              • tpark77
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 04-24-16
                                • 111

                                #16
                                What's your model say about Matz?
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                                • LT Profits
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 10-27-06
                                  • 90963

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by tpark77
                                  What's your model say about Matz?
                                  Come on guys!

                                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                                  See the 60%ers.
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                                  • LT Profits
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-27-06
                                    • 90963

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                    Come on guys!



                                    So Matz actually seems like undervalued favorite if you don't mind -170.
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                                    • tpark77
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 04-24-16
                                      • 111

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                      So Matz actually seems like undervalued favorite if you don't mind -170.
                                      I don't mind the juice just nervous about the mets anemic offense. :/
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                                      • LT Profits
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 10-27-06
                                        • 90963

                                        #20
                                        1 MLB Addition

                                        5 MLB Plays Friday

                                        Cubs / Marlins UNDER 7.5 +100 (Bookmaker)
                                        Indians -104 (Heritage)
                                        Astros -117 (Heritage)
                                        Diamondbacks +123 (Heritage)
                                        Cardinals / Mariners UNDER 8 +100 (Heritage)
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                                        • eddycash
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-06-13
                                          • 4527

                                          #21
                                          indians at -117 still good lt?
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                                          • Fernburn74
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-28-10
                                            • 1643

                                            #22
                                            what do u think of grand salami under 135.5 today
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                                            • LT Profits
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 10-27-06
                                              • 90963

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by eddycash
                                              indians at -117 still good lt?
                                              No, I get 55% (-122). Need -112 or less.
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                                              • LT Profits
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 10-27-06
                                                • 90963

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Fernburn74
                                                what do u think of grand salami under 135.5 today
                                                FYI, straight sum of model totals is 129.9

                                                I don't know how meaningful that is though.
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                                                • Fernburn74
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-28-10
                                                  • 1643

                                                  #25
                                                  thanks LT!!!!!!
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                                                  • RavensFan2k3
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-18-12
                                                    • 17378

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                    Combination of both starters expected to regress in opposite directions. Keuchel has a 3.32 xFIP right now, two full runs lower than his ERA. Volquez is basically where he should be with a 4.21 xFIP vs. 4.12 ERA, but I don't like his walk rate of 3.24 per nine.
                                                    If they would have made him a dog or something then yes, but as a favorite on the road no thanks. Good luck
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                                                    • RavensFan2k3
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 08-18-12
                                                      • 17378

                                                      #27
                                                      Also how do you rate Jameson Tailon?
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                                                      • LT Profits
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 10-27-06
                                                        • 90963

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                                                        If they would have made him a dog or something then yes, but as a favorite on the road no thanks. Good luck
                                                        After everything shook out, bottom line is model has Astros 57% (-133) so I didn't mind laying -117.
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                                                        • LT Profits
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-27-06
                                                          • 90963

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                                                          Also how do you rate Jameson Tailon?
                                                          I have Taillon right at average with a neutral rating of 100. I have Tepesch at 117, meaning he is 17% worse than average pitcher at run suppression. (lower rating is better)
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                                                          • RavensFan2k3
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 08-18-12
                                                            • 17378

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                            I have Taillon right at average with a neutral rating of 100. I have Tepesch at 117, meaning he is 17% worse than average pitcher at run suppression. (lower rating is better)
                                                            So given that, you think the line looks right? Where do you have the line at?
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                                                            • LT Profits
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 10-27-06
                                                              • 90963

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by RavensFan2k3
                                                              So given that, you think the line looks right? Where do you have the line at?
                                                              There is more to the model line that just starting pitchers, although that is the biggest piece. In this case I get Pittsburgh 56% (-127), so not much to see when compared to real line.
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                                                              • PorkChop
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-18-08
                                                                • 8193

                                                                #32
                                                                LT quick thoughts on Boston/Texas FF U 5, avoid Boston's wonderful bullpen, just deal with Martinez/Price through 5?
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                                                                • Duke Fan
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 12-17-10
                                                                  • 401

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Cubs 8 runs in the first
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                                                                  • RavensFan2k3
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-18-12
                                                                    • 17378

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Houston!!!! Oh and Cleveland!!
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                                                                    • CTOWNsCAPPIN
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 02-11-11
                                                                      • 3079

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Stros and tribe babyyyyyyy
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