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  • No coincidences
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-18-10
    • 76300

    #631
    Originally posted by iloseagain
    I agree, it IS one game, but wtf is your issue? I dont ONLY use prior stats to make a fukkin pick in MLB games. Jesus christ. You make a LOT of assumptions for my ONE description of why i liked a bet. And guess what? My thoughts came to fruition perfectly.

    Dude i have literally NEVER had an issue with you. I come into your threads here and there and check what you are on because i know you are a good capper, but to tell me to "stop betting baseball" because you dont like my opinion is 100% ridiculous. I will not come back in here again because you are a fukkin clown who obviously cant deal with anything other than someone sucking your dick, so all i can do is wish you the best and i will ask you to please check in in August when you think i will be down 100 units or whatever the fukk you are claiming. Good day and good luck to you. Never seen someone so bitter about losing a bet in my life. Peace
    Out. Of. Control.
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    • iloseagain
      Restricted User
      • 06-29-10
      • 10681

      #632
      Originally posted by No coincidences
      Read through your responses in this thread again.
      Originally posted by No coincidences
      Nice. Keep going.

      You are out of control.
      yea read thru my responses AFTER you came at me... Lol okay dude.. How bout you read my posts BEFORE you came at me like a fukkin bitch. Nice picks on LAA and Hou

      Read my posts in here BEFORE you came at me you fukkin clown. Show me ONE time where i chose to talk shit to you BEFORE you came at me. You are a fukkin joke bro. Trying to turn this shit on me after YOU came at ME is fukkin childish. So lets hear how old YOU are considering you act like a fukkin child.
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      • No coincidences
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-18-10
        • 76300

        #633
        So far you've called me a "fukking pussy" and a "\*\*\*\*\*\*." Anything else?

        Do you have Tourette's?
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        • No coincidences
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-18-10
          • 76300

          #634
          Originally posted by No coincidences
          So far you've called me a "fukking pussy" and a "\*\*\*\*\*\*." Anything else?

          Do you have Tourette's?
          Originally posted by iloseagain
          yea read thru my responses AFTER you came at me... Lol okay dude.. How bout you read my posts BEFORE you came at me like a fukkin bitch. Nice picks on LAA and Hou

          Read my posts in here BEFORE you came at me you fukkin clown. Show me ONE time where i chose to talk shit to you BEFORE you came at me. You are a fukkin joke bro. Trying to turn this shit on me after YOU came at ME is fukkin childish. So lets hear how old YOU are considering you act like a fukkin child.
          And there it is. Right on cue.
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          • iloseagain
            Restricted User
            • 06-29-10
            • 10681

            #635
            Originally posted by No coincidences
            Out. Of. Control.
            Lol dude how is this out of control? Thats all you got to say because you know you a fukkin joke. You act like im here here talkin shit on a daily basis.

            Dont forget YOU are the one who started this shit. YOU the one who came at me. Keep acting like you didnt do shit. LOL.
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            • No coincidences
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-18-10
              • 76300

              #636
              Originally posted by iloseagain
              Lol dude how is this out of control? Thats all you got to say because you know you a fukkin joke. You act like im here here talkin shit on a daily basis.

              Dont forget YOU are the one who started this shit. YOU the one who came at me. Keep acting like you didnt do shit. LOL.
              I "came at you"? LOL.

              Are you lonely or something?
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              • iloseagain
                Restricted User
                • 06-29-10
                • 10681

                #637
                Originally posted by No coincidences
                And there it is. Right on cue.
                You are literally retarded. Im asking you to find me ONE post BEFORE when you came at me. You came at me tonight in BigPage's thread. Im saying find me ONE post in your entire thread (BEFORE TONIGHT YOU DUMB FUKK) where i EVER said anything bad towards you. You quoted a post from tonight lol. Good job.. Obviously i am talking shit to your dumbass tonight AFTER you started talking shit to me. Go ahead and find me ONE post from BEFORE tonight where i was talking shit to you. You cant because i never have.
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                • iloseagain
                  Restricted User
                  • 06-29-10
                  • 10681

                  #638
                  Originally posted by No coincidences
                  I "came at you"? LOL.

                  Are you lonely or something?

                  Originally posted by iloseagain
                  you LOVE a team thats 14-21 against a team thats 21-13 and have scored 40 something runs in their last 3? Not saying Boston is going to automatically win, but this game is Boston or nothing. Keuchel has been TERRIBLE this year and has not had success against Boston (in 7+ innings so not a big sample obviously). 5.84 ERA on the road this year and 8.22 ERA in his 7.2 innings against Boston.
                  Originally posted by No coincidences
                  You should stop betting baseball (if you haven't already).
                  Yea what dont you understand about this??? You just born stupid or was it gradual?
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                  • No coincidences
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 01-18-10
                    • 76300

                    #639
                    Originally posted by iloseagain
                    You are literally retarded. Im asking you to find me ONE post BEFORE when you came at me. You came at me tonight in BigPage's thread. Im saying find me ONE post in your entire thread (BEFORE TONIGHT YOU DUMB FUKK) where i EVER said anything bad towards you. You quoted a post from tonight lol. Good job.. Obviously i am talking shit to your dumbass tonight AFTER you started talking shit to me. Go ahead and find me ONE post from BEFORE tonight where i was talking shit to you. You cant because i never have.
                    I never said you did.

                    I was giving you a nickel's worth of free advice.

                    You said you're up what, 10 units? If you are still in the black in August, make sure to let me know.
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                    • No coincidences
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 01-18-10
                      • 76300

                      #640
                      Originally posted by iloseagain
                      Yea what dont you understand about this??? You just born stupid or was it gradual?
                      If that's considered "coming at you," you must not get out much.
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                      • iloseagain
                        Restricted User
                        • 06-29-10
                        • 10681

                        #641
                        the best part about my post is it wasnt even directed at you

                        You told me to "stop betting baseball" because i liked the red sox tongiht And you liked HOUSTON, who lost 11-1!!!!! HAHAHAHAH OMG dude. Why am i even still arguing with you. You bet fukkin Houston and Angels tonight. How on earth can you tell me to stop betting baseball when you bet houston and the angels tonight? And all you have to say to me is "how old are you?" You know who says "how old are you?" The fukkin losers on here who are like 50 years old so they know they are older than the people they are talking to. Jesus fukkin christ why does it matter how old ME or YOU are? The only reason it matters is so that you can brag about how old you are and that you know more than me cuz you are older. COOL. You are an old fat fukk. Good for you. Keep betting the fukkin angels and the astros against two of the best teams in the league. I can understand if angels and astros were like +200, but fukk you are dumb betting them at like +120
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                        • iloseagain
                          Restricted User
                          • 06-29-10
                          • 10681

                          #642
                          Originally posted by No coincidences
                          If that's considered "coming at you," you must not get out much.
                          This is what im talking about. The people on this forum like you who act like they the shit. Only you can relate what i said to "you must not get out much." Seriously, only you. So you wouldnt consider telling me to "stop betting (if you havent already)" to coming at me? Haha ok dude. You jus like every other typical fagboy on here who acts like they didnt mean what they said when someone calls them out on it.
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                          • iloseagain
                            Restricted User
                            • 06-29-10
                            • 10681

                            #643
                            And go ahead and dont answer the questions i ask and just write some dumb shit about how i am stupid and you are smart. Cool story.
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                            • No coincidences
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-18-10
                              • 76300

                              #644
                              Originally posted by iloseagain
                              the best part about my post is it wasnt even directed at you

                              You told me to "stop betting baseball" because i liked the red sox tongiht And you liked HOUSTON, who lost 11-1!!!!! HAHAHAHAH OMG dude. Why am i even still arguing with you. You bet fukkin Houston and Angels tonight. How on earth can you tell me to stop betting baseball when you bet houston and the angels tonight? And all you have to say to me is "how old are you?" You know who says "how old are you?" The fukkin losers on here who are like 50 years old so they know they are older than the people they are talking to. Jesus fukkin christ why does it matter how old ME or YOU are? The only reason it matters is so that you can brag about how old you are and that you know more than me cuz you are older. COOL. You are an old fat fukk. Good for you. Keep betting the fukkin angels and the astros against two of the best teams in the league. I can understand if angels and astros were like +200, but fukk you are dumb betting them at like +120
                              Off the rails now.

                              You are completely unglued. Get a hold of yourself.
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                              • No coincidences
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-18-10
                                • 76300

                                #645
                                Originally posted by iloseagain
                                And go ahead and dont answer the questions i ask and just write some dumb shit about how i am stupid and you are smart. Cool story.
                                What "questions" do you want me to answer?
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                                • No coincidences
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-18-10
                                  • 76300

                                  #646
                                  Originally posted by iloseagain
                                  This is what im talking about. The people on this forum like you who act like they the shit. Only you can relate what i said to "you must not get out much." Seriously, only you. So you wouldnt consider telling me to "stop betting (if you havent already)" to coming at me? Haha ok dude. You jus like every other typical fagboy on here who acts like they didnt mean what they said when someone calls them out on it.
                                  No, I meant what I said. You should stop betting baseball. It will chew you up and spit you out, probably as soon as the All-Star break.
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                                  • iloseagain
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 06-29-10
                                    • 10681

                                    #647
                                    Originally posted by No coincidences
                                    Off the rails now.

                                    You are completely unglued. Get a hold of yourself.
                                    Really? I am completely unglued? I am completely fine here. You act like i am unglued because i wrote 5 sentences. Typical SBR hardo.
                                    Originally posted by No coincidences
                                    What "questions" do you want me to answer?
                                    well, for one, how old are you fagboy?
                                    Originally posted by No coincidences
                                    No, I meant what I said. You should stop betting baseball. It will chew you up and spit you out, probably as soon as the All-Star break.
                                    So go ahead.. Answer me.. You wouldnt consider "stop betting" as not coming at me? All because i said something about how Keuchel sucks on the road and Bostons bats are RED HOT??? You just cant admit when you are wrong, thats all. The worst type of people can NOT admit when they are wrong. I have no issues admitting when i am wrong. YOU have all kinds of issues clearly. You STILL havent answered how old you are. And you STILL havent answered how saying "stop betting" isnt coming at me. Fukkin clown. I can keep going, but you are too inept to keep having this conversation.
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                                    • No coincidences
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 01-18-10
                                      • 76300

                                      #648
                                      Originally posted by iloseagain
                                      Really? I am completely unglued? I am completely fine here. You act like i am unglued because i wrote 5 sentences. Typical SBR hardo.

                                      well, for one, how old are you fagboy?

                                      So go ahead.. Answer me.. You wouldnt consider "stop betting" as not coming at me? All because i said something about how Keuchel sucks on the road and Bostons bats are RED HOT??? You just cant admit when you are wrong, thats all. The worst type of people can NOT admit when they are wrong. I have no issues admitting when i am wrong. YOU have all kinds of issues clearly. You STILL havent answered how old you are. And you STILL havent answered how saying "stop betting" isnt coming at me. Fukkin clown. I can keep going, but you are too inept to keep having this conversation.
                                      I was wrong tonight. I'm not wrong in the long run, betting that number. That's what you don't get. You're betting a number, not a starting pitcher or a trend or anything else. In the long run, I win in MLB year after year because it's a lot more complicated than surface stats, trends and starting pitchers.

                                      You won and I lost this one bet in this one instance. Congratulations. Doesn't mean you understand. I'm trying to help you in the long run. Take your 10 units and go buy something with it before it's evaporated.

                                      I see guys like you come and go every April/May. By August, they're extinct. If you are a rare exception to the rule, congratulations and make sure to check back in.

                                      And I'm 38. You have a lot to learn. You come across with the intellectual maturity of a teenage punk, with a colorful, predictable vocabulary to match. That's why I asked.
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                                      • No coincidences
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 01-18-10
                                        • 76300

                                        #649
                                        3-4, -1.5U tonight
                                        89-71, +33.18U thread

                                        The Braves loss was rough, coming all the way back and then blowing it thanks to Grilli (who has no business being in baseball anymore).

                                        Also, had SF TT under 3.5 and they scored 4. Turn either one of those around and we are in the black again. Oh well, can't win 'em all.
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                                        • mikmik
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 05-13-12
                                          • 5457

                                          #650
                                          Still a great year so far.
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                                          • No coincidences
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 01-18-10
                                            • 76300

                                            #651
                                            Originally posted by mikmik
                                            Still a great year so far.
                                            Thanks. Nights like these happen. I bit off more than I should be chewing given the small card to be honest.
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                                            • iloseagain
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 06-29-10
                                              • 10681

                                              #652
                                              Originally posted by No coincidences
                                              I was wrong tonight. I'm not wrong in the long run, betting that number. That's what you don't get. You're betting a number, not a starting pitcher or a trend or anything else. In the long run, I win in MLB year after year because it's a lot more complicated than surface stats, trends and starting pitchers.

                                              You won and I lost this one bet in this one instance. Congratulations. Doesn't mean you understand. I'm trying to help you in the long run. Take your 10 units and go buy something with it before it's evaporated.

                                              I see guys like you come and go every April/May. By August, they're extinct. If you are a rare exception to the rule, congratulations and make sure to check back in.

                                              And I'm 38. You have a lot to learn. You come across with the intellectual maturity of a teenage punk, with a colorful, predictable vocabulary to match. That's why I asked.
                                              Lol.. Well my 10+ units won tonight puts me at 20+ units on the year. I will not disappear. Ever. I was down -25 units within the first 4-5 days of the MLB season. I didnt disappear. I grinded back to +20+ units at some point and then found myself back down about -8 units or so.. Grinded my way back to +10 units before tonight and with a huge night tonight, now up 20+ units. I am here for the long haul and the fact you act like i am a flash in the pan is utterly ridiculous. I am on the same team as you man. I am fighting the bookie. I have nothing against you and i never will. I just dont know why you have such an issue because i didnt like houston tonight and liked the sox. I promise i will not be coming into your thread in the future to bash your picks because thats not who i am. The only reason i even bothered tonight was because of what YOU said to me. I have always been in favor of you and your picks. Lets just forget about tonight and try to make money together. If you cant agree with me then go fukk yourself. I am not trying to sit here and argue with you anymore. BOL.
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                                              • WalkingLuckCharm
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-07-10
                                                • 4192

                                                #653
                                                Funny, I asked him how old he was in another thread too. Rofl
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                                                • iloseagain
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 06-29-10
                                                  • 10681

                                                  #654
                                                  Originally posted by WalkingLuckCharm
                                                  Funny, I asked him how old he was in another thread too. Rofl
                                                  Haha thats so funny man!!!

                                                  Lets not forget this ENTIRE argument was started by HIS post

                                                  Originally posted by SlickRick1382
                                                  Not a fan of the Boston play but I'll rock with you ..

                                                  Houston I love, was already on them for a unit ....

                                                  Leggo
                                                  Originally posted by iloseagain
                                                  you LOVE a team thats 14-21 against a team thats 21-13 and have scored 40 something runs in their last 3? Not saying Boston is going to automatically win, but this game is Boston or nothing. Keuchel has been TERRIBLE this year and has not had success against Boston (in 7+ innings so not a big sample obviously). 5.84 ERA on the road this year and 8.22 ERA in his 7.2 innings against Boston.
                                                  Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                  You should stop betting baseball (if you haven't already).
                                                  The best part was that he hating on me for saying that Houston was a dumb pick, and then Houston loses 11-1. Yea keep sukkin NC's dick fagboy. Keep trying to stir shit up when you take a bet that loses 11-1. I mean what else can you do when u lose a pick so badly that you have nothing else to do but laugh at urself? Carry on fagboys
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                                                  • twestacott
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 01-02-14
                                                    • 1044

                                                    #655
                                                    Originally posted by iloseagain
                                                    Lol.. Well my 10+ units won tonight puts me at 20+ units on the year. I will not disappear. Ever. I was down -25 units within the first 4-5 days of the MLB season. I didnt disappear. I grinded back to +20+ units at some point and then found myself back down about -8 units or so.. Grinded my way back to +10 units before tonight and with a huge night tonight, now up 20+ units. I am here for the long haul and the fact you act like i am a flash in the pan is utterly ridiculous. I am on the same team as you man. I am fighting the bookie. I have nothing against you and i never will. I just dont know why you have such an issue because i didnt like houston tonight and liked the sox. I promise i will not be coming into your thread in the future to bash your picks because thats not who i am. The only reason i even bothered tonight was because of what YOU said to me. I have always been in favor of you and your picks. Lets just forget about tonight and try to make money together. If you cant agree with me then go fukk yourself. I am not trying to sit here and argue with you anymore. BOL.
                                                    You just don't get it man. Congrats on being 20+ units but it took you 460 plays in a month and a half to get there. That's a little over $4 per play profit. Before last night you were at 10+ units in 445+ plays which puts you at a little under $2.25 per play. Now let's look at Coiners strategy of betting the number. He is 30+ units profit but it only took 160 plays for somewhere around $20.60 per play. (Assuming $100 per play). Who's strategy seems to be working better?

                                                    Let's assume you both spend 2 hours of work to research and make your picks. You make your 15 picks that you seem to average and he makes his 6 or so that he seems to average. You make $60 ($4 per game profit on average). He makes $120 ($20 per game based on his average). So he is making $60 per hour while you are at $30 and he is taking on significantly less risk. Before last night you are actually at about $34 per day which puts you at $14 per hour of work compared to his $60.

                                                    Maybe instead of going into every thread touting yourself and arguing with everyone that is on the other side of your plays you should learn bankroll management because right now in terms of profit/play he is killing the book and before your lucky night you were doing no better then collecting the interest a bank would have given you on a savings account. (Except the bank interest is a guarantee)
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                                                    • Smutbucket
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 03-14-08
                                                      • 3996

                                                      #656
                                                      Originally posted by twestacott
                                                      You just don't get it man. Congrats on being 20+ units but it took you 460 plays in a month and a half to get there. That's a little over $4 per play profit. Before last night you were at 10+ units in 445+ plays which puts you at a little under $2.25 per play. Now let's look at Coiners strategy of betting the number. He is 30+ units profit but it only took 160 plays for somewhere around $20.60 per play. (Assuming $100 per play). Who's strategy seems to be working better?

                                                      Let's assume you both spend 2 hours of work to research and make your picks. You make your 15 picks that you seem to average and he makes his 6 or so that he seems to average. You make $60 ($4 per game profit on average). He makes $120 ($20 per game based on his average). So he is making $60 per hour while you are at $30 and he is taking on significantly less risk. Before last night you are actually at about $34 per day which puts you at $14 per hour of work compared to his $60.

                                                      Maybe instead of going into every thread touting yourself and arguing with everyone that is on the other side of your plays you should learn bankroll management because right now in terms of profit/play he is killing the book and before your lucky night you were doing no better then collecting the interest a bank would have given you on a savings account. (Except the bank interest is a guarantee)
                                                      In order to compare two handicappers you need to normalize their units to 1. You do this simply by dividing their total units +/- by their average units bet per play.

                                                      For example you can have a handicapper thats up 100 units but is betting 10 units a game so therefore they are actually up only 10 units. (100/10 = 10)

                                                      Where as a handicapper that is up 20 units but is only betting 1 unit a game is by far more successful as they are actually up 20 units.

                                                      Not to mention a consideration of their max unit bet. once again a handicapper that is up 40-50 units who has had a max unit bet of 20 units is much different than a handicapper that is up 30 units who has had a max bet of 2 units. One is far less riskier and much more profiitable in the long run.
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                                                      • twestacott
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-02-14
                                                        • 1044

                                                        #657
                                                        Originally posted by Smutbucket
                                                        In order to compare two handicappers you need to normalize their units to 1. You do this simply by dividing their total units +/- by their average units bet per play.

                                                        For example you can have a handicapper thats up 100 units but is betting 10 units a game so therefore they are actually up only 10 units. (100/10 = 10)

                                                        Where as a handicapper that is up 20 units but is only betting 1 unit a game is by far more successful as they are actually up 20 units.

                                                        Not to mention a consideration of their max unit bet. once again a handicapper that is up 40-50 units who has had a max unit bet of 20 units is much different than a handicapper that is up 30 units who has had a max bet of 2 units. One is far less riskier and much more profiitable in the long run.
                                                        I understand but if you look at ilose's thread his units played vary for every play but is comparable to Coiner's in my opinion. I wasn't about to go through his entire thread to determine average units played. The point was that ilose's strategy involves playing significantly more risk because he has played almost 3 times the amount of games which nocoin has to reach his profit. I think it is pretty widely accepted that the higher the volume of games you play, the higher the chances that a winning trend will regress back to the law of averages which gives the house a significant edge long term based on juice. When you are playing a lower volume of games to reach the same profit level then it is much easier to select games where the edge belongs to the player and not the book (plus money on a coin flip for example).
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                                                        • YOUNGBUCK
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 12-16-10
                                                          • 6510

                                                          #658
                                                          Anyone remember when Houston lost and that one guy in here called it?
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                                                          • CappinTerp
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 11-26-09
                                                            • 9650

                                                            #659
                                                            Hey guys, I'am not going to read through all this stuff and say,one is right or wrong. Both you guys like baseball and do you're work to cap the games...........................Let's get back to that!!.................................. .......................gl
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                                                            • mlb
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-04-09
                                                              • 10509

                                                              #660
                                                              wild thread since yesterday............................... ........................................ ............
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                                                              • No coincidences
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-18-10
                                                                • 76300

                                                                #661
                                                                HOU +133 (4U to win 5.32)
                                                                MIN +130 (3U to win 3.9)
                                                                CIN +108 (2U to win 2.16)

                                                                Might add Colorado.
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                                                                • buddha
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 09-03-10
                                                                  • 480

                                                                  #662
                                                                  Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                  No, I meant what I said. You should stop betting baseball. It will chew you up and spit you out, probably as soon as the All-Star break.
                                                                  CHALLENGE!!

                                                                  iloseagain +455

                                                                  No Coincidence -480



                                                                  Who to bet on: No Coin v. ilose


                                                                  Anastasia Nicole Romano, AArdvark Daily News, handicapping Section. @IHerdaWho

                                                                  The difference in this matchup proves to be Emotion and Amount of wagers made upon a Day. in time ilose will discover that being too emotionally invested is a poor path in almost everything in life and especially which games one places bets on and also ilose will eventually make fewer bets on a day choosing instead to focus upon a smaller number of betting opportunities. When ilose evolves to making fewer plays per day and he manages to not allow himself to get so emotionally invested in stuff he will Win.

                                                                  NO COIN is already at the places described above.

                                                                  Lay The Massive Wood on No Coin here and Relax.




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                                                                  • No coincidences
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 01-18-10
                                                                    • 76300

                                                                    #663
                                                                    I actually want to go bigger on the Twins and especially the Astros, but their current form is keeping me from it. Then again, we wouldn't be getting these numbers if they'd been playing better lately.

                                                                    Adding:

                                                                    COL +107 (2U to win 2.14)
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                                                                    • buddha
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 09-03-10
                                                                      • 480

                                                                      #664
                                                                      Originally posted by YOUNGBUCK
                                                                      Anyone remember when Houston lost and that one guy in here called it?
                                                                      Better question is if anyone remembers when Houston DIDN'T Lose.

                                                                      Houston so thoroughly grouply sucking on The Hind Tit that even Kuechel is a'suckin'.

                                                                      I did not see that coming. LY he was $$$$ wining 13 at Home IIRC and 11 of those covering -1.5 RL?

                                                                      It was ridiculous.

                                                                      My numbers are just off the top of my head prolly not exact, irrelevant. Kooch was MONEY last season.


                                                                      But this year?
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                                                                      • No coincidences
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 01-18-10
                                                                        • 76300

                                                                        #665
                                                                        MIA TT over 3.5 (-120) (2.4U to win 2)
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