Matt's updated picks

**Hardcoar** · 11-11-13, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

Sugita odds??? I didn't. To be truthful I'm not sure why I took him

No, Djokovic. Sugita bet was solid in my opinion. He was most likely actually injured somehow or otherwise impaired.

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Hardcoar

No, Djokovic. Sugita bet was solid in my opinion. He was most likely actually injured somehow or otherwise impaired.

Djoker 1.55 was a gift IMO. I know this is after the fact but Joker is light years better than this fool Nadal on hardcourts. Nadal is #1 because he owns the clay. Realistically nadal is number 4 at best on hardcourts. Djoker/Murray/Delpotro all ahead of Him IMO

**ohmyyikes** · 11-11-13, 05:11 PM

Straight set winner...Thank you matt!!!

**Simon Gruber** · 11-11-13, 05:12 PM

Awesome win. See you for week 1 (Doha, Brisbane, Hopman Cup)

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Simon Gruber

Awesome win. See you for week 1 (Doha, Brisbane, Hopman Cup)

May man.... Good luck!

**Hardcoar** · 11-11-13, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

Djoker 1.55 was a gift IMO. I know this is after the fact but Joker is light years better than this cool Nadal on hardcourts. Nadal is #1 because he owns the clay. Realistically nadal is number 4 at best on hardcourts. Djoker/Murray/Delpotro all ahead of Him IMO

You underestimate him I believe, but it's an undisputed fact Djokovic is, in general, the better hard-courter indeed. This was not the case for quite some time this summer however.

**Simon Gruber** · 11-11-13, 05:21 PM

I'm hoping the ATP World tour finals come to New York for a period in 2016. Barclays Center or MSG.

**frugalgambler** · 11-11-13, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Hardcoar

You underestimate him I believe, but it's an undisputed fact Djokovic is, in general, the better hard-courter indeed. This was not the case for quite some time this summer however.

Ebbs and flow of the tennis life. Nadal was deadly on the US hardcourt circuit. I picked up two units on his win in the US Open final, although that one was pretty close. But already in Asia he did not play as well. It is impossible to play at this level for more than a couple of months. Djokovic still has the Davis Cup final coming up (tempting to put a unit there even at -300 odds, but I am not sure what Tipsarevic status is). Lots of tennis he has played this year and I would not be surprised if Novak has a letdown in Australia.

**MiDNiTe** · 11-11-13, 05:24 PM

aus open is jokers best slam he's always played his best there imo

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Hardcoar

You underestimate him I believe, but it's an undisputed fact Djokovic is, in general, the better hard-courter indeed. This was not the case for quite some time this summer however.

You know as well as I do that Djokovic has an immense amount of pressure to be the best. He just has the skill set and the perfect frame to be the best. You also have to be smart. I bet djoker has an IQ higher than most think. Probably close to 160

**Simon Gruber** · 11-11-13, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

You know as well as I do that Djokovic has an immense amount of pressure to be the best. He just has the skill set and the perfect frame to be the best. You also have to be smart. I bet djoker has an IQ higher than most think. Probably close to 160

Yep. It took everything Nadal had to win that French Open SF.

**frugalgambler** · 11-11-13, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

You know as well as I do that Djokovic has an immense amount of pressure to be the best. He just has the skill set and the perfect frame to be the best. You also have to be smart. I bet djoker has an IQ higher than most think. Probably close to 160

I do not know about 160, probably closer to 120-130. 160 is an established theoretical physicist range. But it is true that good tennis players have a much higher than average IQ: the game is not only about making shots. Just like footbal QBs have an average IQ of 115 or so.

**frugalgambler** · 11-11-13, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by MiDNiTe

aus open is jokers best slam he's always played his best there imo

The ungodly amount of tennis he has playing is bound to catch up to Djokovic. Let's see how he looks in the early rounds. By letdown, I mean losing in the semis or final to Murray or Nadal, LOL.

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by frugalgambler

The ungodly amount of tennis he has playing is bound to catch up to Djokovic. Let's see how he looks in the early rounds. By letdown, I mean losing in the semis or final to Murray or Nadal, LOL.

Hes gonna have about 6 weeks off. He should be fine. Murray won't make it far. It will take him awhile to adjust after the surgery. I bet Delpotro wins the tournament or djokovic

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by frugalgambler

I do not know about 160, probably closer to 120-130. 160 is an established theoretical physicist range. But it is true that good tennis players have a much higher than average IQ: the game is not only about making shots. Just like footbal QBs have an average IQ of 115 or so.

Not sure if you know but djoker can speak 7 languages

**Hardcoar** · 11-11-13, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

You know as well as I do that Djokovic has an immense amount of pressure to be the best. He just has the skill set and the perfect frame to be the best. You also have to be smart. I bet djoker has an IQ higher than most think. Probably close to 160

I definitely agree. Everything of what you just said can be applied equally to Nadal, in my opinion.

Regardless, your post in no way refutes mine, as far as I can tell, so I can only say we seemingly think alike.

**Hardcoar** · 11-11-13, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by frugalgambler

I do not know about 160, probably closer to 120-130. 160 is an established theoretical physicist range. But it is true that good tennis players have a much higher than average IQ: the game is not only about making shots. Just like footbal QBs have an average IQ of 115 or so.

Intelligence does not measure knowledge, although there is an abundantly clear correlation between the two. That is an absolutely worthless argument, to be honest. Correlation does not equal causation. What stops someone with 200 IQ from playing tennis, just to make my point glaringly clear?

I can almost assure you (in the sense of an extremely confident guess) that Djokovic and Nadal are both well above 130, and in my opinion they are both likely to be even higher.

**sluggy1616** · 11-11-13, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Hardcoar

Intelligence does not measure knowledge, although there is an abundantly clear correlation between the two. That is an absolutely worthless argument, to be honest. Correlation does not equal causation. What stops someone with 200 IQ from playing tennis, just to make my point glaringly clear?

I can almost assure you (in the sense of an extremely confident guess) that Djokovic and Nadal are both well above 130, and in my opinion they are both likely to be even higher.

Dumb tennis players?? I can't think of any past or present that were outright stupid. Some did stupid things but if I had all that cash..well it wouldn't be pretty. I guess Agassi was doing the crack. Can't believe he could play so well on that stuff

**frugalgambler** · 11-11-13, 05:57 PM

You can have a very high IQ and still be an idiot. Case in point -- Garry Kasparov. Anyway, Novak is a very smart player and a nice guy and I am happy that he won today. Plus I picked up 1.5 units on his win, LOL.

**steady hustlin** · 11-11-13, 06:23 PM

Well done!

**Jago2008** · 11-11-13, 06:38 PM

Lol I knew I should have just taken Djoker... Tried to be prudent and take 'over' 19.5 live, as these two have battled previosuly,but game ended at 19.... sweet.

**Jago2008** · 11-11-13, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by frugalgambler

You can have a very high IQ and still be an idiot. Case in point -- Garry Kasparov. Anyway, Novak is a very smart player and a nice guy and I am happy that he won today. Plus I picked up 1.5 units on his win, LOL.

If I can propagate the high IQ and still be an idiot argument- Barack Obama.

Yes I said it.

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 07:41 PM

I'm keeping my eye on the scores and matchups as Monday is usually a burial day for me. I'll either post later tonight or tomorrow morning.

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 07:55 PM

Challenger plays for 11th Nov 2013:

Woo D ML 1.57 x 5 units

Gigounon ML 1.80 x 3 units

Kavcic ML 1.57 x 5 units

GL

**reddZor** · 11-11-13, 08:23 PM

no play on ito matt?

**matt1216** · 11-11-13, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by reddZor

no play on ito matt?

No, not at that price

**reddZor** · 11-11-13, 08:48 PM

np. cheers brothwr. tailed all three

**reddZor** · 11-11-13, 11:58 PM

wtf at gigonoun

**Regul8er** · 11-12-13, 12:10 AM

How are you guys making plays and tailing these plays? Tennis players no one has ever seen or heard of. How can you possibly find value...im clueless.

**matt1216** · 11-12-13, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Regul8er

How are you guys making plays and tailing these plays? Tennis players no one has ever seen or heard of. How can you possibly find value...im clueless.

I've followed a lot of challengers over the years. The reason why u may find it hard to follow is due to the fact that this is the first round. First round is usually a shit show. That's why I only posted a few plays here. I'll have a better grasp hopefully by Tuesday night

**reddZor** · 11-12-13, 01:53 AM

hit 2/3 today. lucky i played them as singles as well as a multi. fuk gigonoun

**matt1216** · 11-12-13, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by reddZor

hit 2/3 today. lucky i played them as singles as well as a multi. fuk gigonoun

Ill take 2/3 +2 units from that. Hopefully some decent challengers in the morning

**poet** · 11-12-13, 02:51 AM

Can someone who bets on this shit have a high IQ? Or do they have to be an idiot with a high IQ to betting on this shit? On the other hand, there are lots of idiots with high IQs who would not be idiotic enough to bet on this shit. Just as there are lots of idiots with low IQs who are smart enough to avoid gambling against idiots who have higher IQs than them. Does this make sense, or am I being idiotic?

**reddZor** · 11-12-13, 05:11 AM

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**matt1216** · 11-12-13, 10:50 AM

Challenger Plays For 12th Nov 2013:

Escobar ML 1.91 x 2 units

Cuevas,M ML 2.50 x 1 unit

Garanganga +Groth 1.70 x 1.50 units

Groth+Kuznetsov 1.70 x 1.50 units

GL